SPLIT Meta | VLR.gg

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A1pha1

We are seeing a lot of double duelist on Split to be successful again just like in 2023 and are we gonna see shift towards Cypher Viper comp(Sen's 2024 comp) to counter double duelist again?

The reason why that old comp was bad at the beginning of the year was tejo, because viper was having a really hard time holding mid against breach tejo. And now tejo is gone is that comp gonna come back?

My theory for new comp is:
Cypher, Viper, Omen, Yoru and Fade

Or are we about to see double duelist from every team? What are your predictions?

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jawn

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no vyse = no yoru imo

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aiber

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yoru still works to clear cypher trips and his ult isnt RNG like raze

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A1pha1

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Yoru even without countering vyse stuff, still looks like the best duelist on Split. Yoru has much more defensive agression potential, especially holding A main and pushing mid, also his ult is usually better than raze/jett ult and flashes are useful without breach in the comp

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jawn

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yoru automatically loses value because you can't just ult and breach stun+tejo molly mfs, and considering how vyse is also not played on split you also lose that little counter

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A1pha1

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But fade util and omen paranoia will help with yoru ult. Yoru has 2 flashes, 1 clone, 2 prowlers, fade eye and seize and omen paranoia to help to execute with yoru ult. Its still enough to overhelm 2-3 players on site.

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jawn

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raze can also follow up on that util, every round without needing ult, just watch 2024 sen retakes

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A1pha1

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Yeah but you are missing the point again. You might say raze ult has equal value as yoru ult, but raze is still one dimensional compared to yoru. You can play yoru so agressive on defense, do you remember how zekken hold A main down against MIBR and G2 on his own? He cant do that on raze. Also yoru can push up mid 1-2 rounds in a half and that forces attack to use their drone to clear mid, raze cant do that safely.

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jawn

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zekken won't need to flush out the lurk because now they will have cypher controlling the space with the default heaven cam like before, also raze doesn't need to be able to do what yoru does, strats and protocols change with the comps

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aiber

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i think most teams will run a core of astra, viper and raze, and the other 2 will be comfort picks depending on the players
but it would be nice to see more yorus like jawgemo

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I feel like deadlock is a lot better than cypher on split currently and I think we'll see the deadlock usage spike on all maps in general

So I think the better comp would be
Raze/Yoru
Viper
Omen/Astra
Deadlock
Fade/Breach(Breach if the team is still running yoru)

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seocc

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Wouldn't it be the other way around? If they run Yoru they'll be better off running Fade. If they run Yoru and Breach they'll be with no info initiator and it would be a nightmare to reclear areas in defense, or just reclear in general. I think Yoru and Fade is the way to go, Yoru and Breach is going overboard with explosive shit when at the end of the day you'll get stopped with a Paranoia or a Snakebite. Fade gives you plenty more opportunities on attack to play the round more defaulty

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GodAwfulGod

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You make a good point, but the thing is that Yoru pairs well with all of breach's util and Yoru can act like a semi-info initiator while also still being a duelist, also yoru ult plus breach util basically means a free site, also on some maps like split you can afford afford to not run info initiators for example the meta was breach tejo, neither are scan initiators, the exception being tejo's drone which didn't really provide as much information or value as say a fade eye or sova dart.

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seocc

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I see what you mean. Honestly I don't think Breach + Yoru's util means free site since there are abilities in this game that far surpass them with their stopping power. Viper's orb or her snakebites would be those and some others, but I still get your point and it would be insane util and a nightmare to be a site defender

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Liwus

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I dont think we will have a clear meta, which is great

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SleepingSnorlax

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Without breach split will never be same but I could agree for the fade pick I really like it

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Anguibok

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Currently among the 6 most used archetype we have :

Doble initiator : 31% PR, 54% NMWR
Doble init with sent replaced by a ctrl : PR 24%, 46% NMWR
Doble duel with sent replaced by a ctrl : PR 15%, 54% NMWR
Doble controller : 11% PR, 53% NMWR
Doble sentinel : 8% PR, 43% NMWR
Doble duelist : 5% PR, 47% NMWR

So basically if you want to go doble duelist you have to go on doble controller, doble duelist where already good before Tejo nerf.

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kfan4238173

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i think raze/skye/omen/sage/cypher will be v good