accusation on twitter

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Heizim

I don't support any of them, but why would you make an accusation on Twitter a year later instead of going to the police? are we fr?

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To ruin public image

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That automatically gives you a point against you.

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Mbappe

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to warn other people that interact with the person in the same online space

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nooomy

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Assuming honest intentions - Its hard to prove rape/ SA cases legally so the next best thing is warning other potential victims

Assuming dishonest intentions - jealousy over seeing your ex become successful and adored (for the most part, flor dealt with more hate than most even before the accusation)

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someone downvoted your comment because they assumed either honesty or dishonesty, and didn't like that you gave the other viewpoint

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There is a gap in that logic tho. Why in the world would you do it now that she was off the scene? doesn't make sense.

Not saying there might not be dishonest intentions, but I seriously doubt that's the one malicious intention, might be something else

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true in the tweet they refer to Flor as one of the most "repugnant" people, there is a clear intention beyond making the accusation

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Brother, if it were a journalist they would have to stay neutral, but if you are accusing someone of rape repugnant sounds like tame thing to say lmao. I don't think that has anything to do with this, it's coherent

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yea but there's no evidence of the "rape"
the screenshots makes no sense bc don't add anything to the allegation
there is a clear intention beyond making a accusation

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Brother, I'm sorry but that makes no sense. Let's say I punch you rn, when you go to tell someone, what are you gonna say? Are you not gonna call me every single insult you can think of? I don't think that is relevant at all

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yea probably not

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they're saying that she somehow knew this was coming and pre-empted the withdrawal

a strange timing overlap, for sure.

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That could be an explanation Ig but it's still weird idk

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imo its because the whole community's in a feeding frenzy over the whole t2 na drama

if this is a dishonest attack on flor (which I don't know and am not going to claim it is) then it's a perfect time to add more fuel to the fire

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Fuel to what fire tho, at someone trying to bring the scene down? What's the benefit of doing it now? Nah if I to falsely accuse Flor I would have done it when she got picked up to tier 1

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just the fact that people are primed to drama right now, makes it easier to get people to side with the accuser when they’re already invested in the chaos

at least that’s how it feels from my perspective

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Im not really sure whether youre arguing that she is honest or dishonest but ill do my best to answer

just because she might not be actively playing vct, she still has a large amount of people who wouldve supported her and wished that she would come back (which would fuel dishonest intentions) and of those people she may enter a relationship with someone else in the scene or even a fan (which would fuel the honest intentions)

She was only off the scene temporarily, she still wouldve gotten offers to play in T1, T2, GC should she ever try to come back

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Im not really sure whether youre arguing that she is honest or dishonest but ill do my best to answer

Neither of the 2. I'm saying the dishonest reason you gave has a gap, which doesn't mean there isn't another dishonest reason to accuse her, just saying I don't think it's the one you gave. Because if I wanted to hurt Flor with a false accusation, why not do it 3 months ago when she got picked up to tier 1? Why now?

If we assume those 2 are the only options, the timing of the accusation suggests it has the honest reason

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I get what you mean, and fwiw I also think that its the honest reason but wanted to at least show another perspective since we dont really have much evidence.

Maybe they saw all the love flor got on her temporary retirement post, maybe they saw that flor said she is struggling mentally and wanted to pile on the misery etc.

I dont really believe that it is either of those reasons but its important to consider different reasonings, even if we come to the conclusion that those reasonings are unlikely to be true

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Yeah there are reasons to falsely accuse #10 could also be why, idk

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well if anything doing it after shes off the scene makes it seem less like attention/jealousy then? i mean alot of it takes time and ppl wait years bcos they try to deal with it themselves and not tell police bcos they wont believe them or do anything if you dont have enough evidence to convince them. plus telling the police means you have to relive it all again and again in interviews. its a mess either way if you wait or go straight away.

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Good analysis, but the problem with that is "How the people they warn can figure out if that's true or false"

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it really just depends on the evidence, we dont really know anything other than a google doc from the alleged victims friend, and a tweet from the alleged abuser. Vlr is impatient but usually these things take time to figure out

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If you have evidence then police > twitter.

Twitter can be usefull only if you dont have any x)

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rape/ SA is notoriously one of the hardest crimes to get a guilty verdict for because of the nature of the law.

in the UK (its similar across the western world) to be indicted on a charge of rape, someone needs to be convicted "beyond a reasonable doubt" which means that 10/12 members of a jury need to believe that someone is guilty of rape for them to be convicted.

Rape in general is very hard to prove because it is difficult to get a portfolio of evidence which shows that someone both did not consent and actively communicated that.

Oftentimes cases of this nature can be thrown out because evidence is too weak to prove that someone is a rapist, or its difficult for victims to pursue charges given the mental distress of reliving a past experience.

twt is the next best thing in this scenario because even if they dont have enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt in a court, twitter is more about moral + social relations rather than legal, where you dont need 83% of people to believe what youre saying to the point of convicting someone of a 5-10 year prison sentence

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"rape/ SA is notoriously one of the hardest crimes to get a guilty verdict for because of the nature of the law."
I agree with that, and the reason is "Because it's almost impossible to have proof", so if you have proof --> police

To me "enough evidence" doesnt mean anything and either you have evidence and tribunal and twitter will beleive you (so better go tribunal), or you don't have evidence and then twitter is better because of the 83%, beside really few exception they are no in between

PS : I like the fact you bring out the 83%, nice ref

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but thats also assuming the police will do anything, alot of cases dont even go to a trial. its a hard situation bcos once you hear a story of it happening ppl just think well whats the point. i wish it was so simple but its not sadly :/

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If you have good proof I see no reason why the police wouldn't do anything (And if thats the case thats an even bigger problem yeah).
You try police, and then if police doesnt work you go twitter (that will force police to do something)

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ideally yeah why wouldnt they, but its just not that simple bcos again youre assuming the police will do something, i get it tho bcos if youve never been wronged by the police personally you would trust them and expect them to do good bcos yk thats their job. but sadly for alot of ppl its just not always the case. theres just alot of stories about corruption and wrong doings that will put ppl off going to the police. theres also a fear of not being believed

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the police won't do shit without evidence lol? and do u expect the victim of a r*pe to be like "yeah let me talk about it," the next week? that shit is traumatizing

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And what's even stranger is that the tweet was made by a third party other than the victim, and the same person clarifies that the victim hadn't done anything because she was still gathering evidence.
So if the victim was just gathering evidence, why did the third party post the tweet with none of that evidence?
The screenshots presented in the tweet don't add anything.

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Most of the times is to ruin somebodys reputation without any proof