why "fluke" makes no sense

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peaking at the right time is not a fluke, a fluke is something with low probability happening or losing to things that are going on outside the server

ACEND did not fluke, beat all the best teams in the world fairly, dominated most of them, and the ONE issue they had, they dicked down that team hard in a rematch.

EDG did not fluke, every team was at the top of their powers, completely dominated most teams in their run

T1 did not fluke, the ONLY map EDG won in the lower finals was an OT, T1 won one close map and dominated two. They dominated VIT in the last two maps. Defeated DRX, and was always just two rounds away from beating them with Carpe playing. It's important to understand the dynamic that T1 has with sylvan, fine details in their play were almost perfect, map manipulation allows them to make mistakes that on paper should lose them rounds, but because they've restricted the map so much it ends up working. This isn't by mistake

The ONLY events that can be called flukes are ones where things outside of the server effect results

Lock in was an abnormal tournamnet, it's not a fluke, but its the only tournament of its kind, and this will always put an asterisk over it's win
Tokyo saw the 2nd and 3rd best teams in the world playing with a sub, and scrimming for an entire week with a substitute, their best player arriving a week late and thinking he was staying home.
Iceland 2022 saw FNC missing players, and FPX missing out(who won the next tournament and were EVEN better earlier in the year)

Fluke by definiton is something unlikely or something happening by chance
Visa issues might not happen by chance, they might happen because of politics or war, but these events are far more "flukey"

I'd rather have a tournament where an underdog EARNS a win by beating every team with the best possible situation, no visa issues, no subs. Than have a dominant team beat teams that are suffering from outside issues. In my opinion the underdog wins like EDG and T1 are even more solid than superteams like FNC beating teams that are suboptimal, especially when in all scenarios the next event proves that the teams which faced issues would make a difference. PRX and EG returned to the finals. FPX won the next event.

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this is why wolves qualifying over edg isn't a fluke!!

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well said!

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cerefes

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homie changes team flair on the daily :pray:

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cameran

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It has to be done. Its required as apart of my VLR cult!💯💯

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Edg didn’t fluke their run but kk dropping 111 was a fluke and ur delusional if you disagree. All the same they proved themselves to still be a top team at bangkok

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Grand Final against TH was 5 maps, if u drop 23 kills per map u can get 115 kills. Also:
https://www.vlr.gg/170959/sengoku-gaming-vs-fennel-challengers-league-japan-split-1-lr2

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Uncleben

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Something is playing Reyna against a tier 2 Japanese team, not even comparable. Dropping 23 kills 5 maps in a row in pro play is next to impossible.

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Well that makes kk perf even more iconic. Nobody gonna break it for long time.

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Uncleben

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Not denying how impressive it is, and I don’t think edgs run was a fluke either, but I do think winning the grand finals was a bit flukey. No point in discussing tho cause edg is very popular.

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Warlordwibz

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It just means kangkang/something was in absolute top best form, which doesn't come often but u can't call it fluke. Its just a rare occurrence.

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gamergirl

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I agree but my point is I'd rather see kangkang drop 111 kills 1 time out of 10 than see FNC win a tournament where PRX and EG are weakened 10 times out of 10

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Ronyko23

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nah kk was hyped to be next big thing.

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Uncleben

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He’s very good but 111 is defn too good even from him. You can just look at this other performances in champions to realize that.

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Ronyko23

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nah if texture can drop 105 in t1.Then Kk def can.

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Uncleben

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Texture dropped it regionally against a worst opponent. I also think 2024 texture was better than kang kang

I wouldn’t be surprised if Aspas, Zekken, or derke drop 111. I just don’t think kk is quite that level, but when he pops off he is unstoppable

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zhongZHI

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kk potential is highest.

but he is also consistent just he consistently performs below his highest potential but still at a more than decent level

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Uncleben

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I disagree that his potential his highest. He’s also not even close to being consistent internationally. He hyper aggressive and loves to take contact duels, which makes him inconsistent but when he’s feeling it his impact is unrivaled.

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zhongZHI

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he holds the kill record. aspas zekken derke all have had multiple chances internationally and regionally to beat it yet they didnt therefore his potential is the highest. he is consistent he may overheat but rarely at int will he go negative at least neg 5 or more

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Uncleben

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Kill record represents peaks, not consistency. Look at his individual performances across all lans he’s been too and you’ll realize qq is usually better intl

Also potential isn’t determined by how good you play in one match. A player who always plays well is a better player and has higher potential than a player who is more inconsistent.

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Warlordwibz

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KangKang's consistency
https://x.com/starryzkk/status/1915237815220396214

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Uncleben

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This includes domestic titles. For a long time, china wasn’t even close to where edg was. On lan chichoo was better in champs 2023, shanghai, champs 2024, and masters Bangkok; not even the most consistent on his own team.

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Warlordwibz

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Chichoo got few here and there from your examples but this still extremely impressive no? Don't see this kind of MVP consistency from other player. Give me a player that suit your example then. Bet KangKang more consistent.

continue thread →

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wdym worst opponent? he dropped it against PRX who won stage 2 and looked like the scariest team heading to Shanghai. of course they got grouped but thats besides the point

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Uncleben

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Worse opponent than heretics is what I meant to say

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zekken???? is this ragebait? Aspas is the only one doing it with mid team. Kk won when edg was never fav to win a single game.

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Uncleben

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Yeah prolly wrong with Zekken, although I do think Zekken has higher potential that kk.

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zhongZHI

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i dont disagree but ill say that heretics simply wasnt shooting back enough. they genuinely juts got out aimed in the grand finals by literally all of them but like s1mon. strat wise equal perhaps leaning th but its an fps. in that game boo v kk. i think kk won like 90% of the time

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Uncleben

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I’m not saying edg doesn’t deserve it or something either, their run to grand finals was absolutely nuts. But it was so annoying dealing with people after pretending that kk dropping 111 is normal for him. I did hate watch edg a little at Bangkok and stage 1 Ngl.

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Denjisideals

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Wow... Gamergirl actually cooking?

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archetype

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real

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i dont read allat but i think i agree with you

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Arosuu

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only thing that was a fluke was 2021 acend

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gamergirl

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They beat Gambit in the Bo5

13-7
14-12
13-8 (last map)

how do you justify a fluke in which Acend beat a full strength gambit over the course of 5 maps

Are you trying to say that keyd stars who last 13-4 and like 13-5 to x10 in the next match should've beat acend?

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archetype

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i don't disagree w/ u but it was said that gambit was not at full strength due to riot covid scheduling

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Uncleben

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Ascend beating gambit wasn’t a fluke
Literally destroyed them off season just before champs, ascend was just really good against other eu teams and played liquid and gambit in semis and grands

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type shit

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meowchan

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So we can conclude that the most flukest run is by optic(if you believe in flukes) right?

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gamergirl

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I think they are the most affected by circumstances by outside the game, then tokyo, then lock in being just a one off showcase tournament with no lower bracket

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RzqoFoxie

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People just like to cry.
A team wina a tournament because they were the best during that tournament. Not their fault that the team you were rooting for wasn't good enough to beat them.

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Yuranagi

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it's a vlr thing tbh

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Effluxi

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I don't plan on letting the truth get in the way of a good narrative

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1One1

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You are talking to 80-90% of vlr people who can't comprehend the proplayer gameplay
Their argument only valid in tier 3 teams who don't need any good gameplay as long as the players have decent aim

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Fluxcicide

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I mean honestly winning masters and keeping that streak is very hard tbf , a lot of ups and downs and I think lot of confusion sorta like an imposter syndrome creeps up if ur momentum is shaken up

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Uloku

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Acend is literally dominated emea in 2021. They won 2 eu championships. They beat the prime gambit 3 times and became world champions. it was NOT fluke

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does anyone actually, seriously believe any of these winners "fluked out" pretty sure its all js ragebait and trolling