Make a poweranking of the teams currently in Champions
I'll bookmark this thread and come back to it after Champions to see who had the most accurate list
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This is going to be a pretty unpopular opinion but i didn't want my stars anyways: Valorant is in a state where any team is primed to take champions. looking at the way matches went in berlin and lcq (especially apac), you can tell that the regions (mainly japan and possibly SEA) that people think are worse are catching up fast. the two most damning cases being CR in berlin vs Gambit and Northeption running through the apac lcq. Teams are slowly getting more used to playing other regions, which is the best possible case for the scene. If there are already solidified top regions this early into the game then that leads to less interesting international events because you know who is most likely to take it. With closer skill gaps between regions it makes the matches more intense instead of just "oh look CR is getting 13-1ed by gambit again". Just my two cents tho.
lol asia isnt getting a map vs a top EU or NA team in the next 5 years (except VS)
its true... they are so far behind. this forum overrates Asia so much, i think V1 is the only team that let SEA/JP get 10+ rounds on them and they werent trying that hard and hiding strats
am probably not the person to be talking with u but
I reckon they can take a map , Asia Gonna Surprise us i reckon, Full Sense look strong
V1 was using the composition they used in Challengers Finals against CR, if they did their homework it wouldve been easy. They saved their strats so they could do good against liquid and liquid couldnt adapt and they got stomped. is what it is asia trash
Bro it was one map against gambit that was close they just underestimated CR because they 13-1d them two times before. I doubt gambit with full focus, fresh strats and 100% tryhard would go to OT against Crazy raccoon again
I understand a strong Asian region would be nice to see and probably they will get stronger with some time but right now matt is right you’re just overrating them. I would give Brazil higher chances to win against NA/EU
saying that the only reason CR was able to get to OT against Gambit is because they were caught off guard is just insulting to CR as a team. They went into the rematch with the resolve and drive to win and they played their hearts out. If there were to be another rematch between the two, which I don't think is very likely, then I honestly think CR might be able to take a map off of Gambit just because of the experience from the past sets. I think you are still underestimating CR, honestly. They have just as much of a chance at taking down NA or EU than Brazil does. Don't sleep on SEA or JP, they have been the ones that have surprised the most so far.
Im just not taking one single good map too serious. Because in both masters iceland and Berlin they overall got rolled by any team they played
it wasn't just "one good map" though, they played a good first half on ascent AND on top of that they took down havan liberty in a 2-0, 13-8, 13-9 set. You saying they got rolled is once again downplaying their accomplishments at berlin. are the things they accomplished as great as winning the whole thing? no. But are these games a great example of a region slowly improving to be a dangerous contender for best region in the world? yes.
Bruh paper rex literally already took a map off smb at Berlin masters lmao. And nuturn literally beat v1 in masters reykjavik lol.
man, just compare how smaller regions(BR, JP, TUR, LATAM) evolved between Iceland and Berlin. The gap is getting smaller, maybe by 2022 Champions we could have a title contender from every region
Agree bro, this game only one year also. A lot of potential for all region. Really hope crazy racoon won the whole tournament too (i really like underdog story haha)
NA EU are still a level above all regions but i wouldnt be surprised with a SEA team giving a really good fight to a NA/EU team
imo there's no weak region rn, everyone's really close, but for the content
1- Gambit
2- Team Liquid
3- Sentinels
4- Vision Strikers
5- Envy
6- Fnatic
7- KRU
8- Acend
9- Vivo Keyd
10- Furia
11- Team Vikings
12- Crazy Raccoons
13- Full Sense
14- X10
15- Team Secret
16- non existent (for now)
yeah, I litteraly just put in liquipedia order lmao, just for the content
rn I can't really say (except for Gambit/Envy/VS) who are the strongest teams coming to Berlin, I just looked in liquipedia and randomized NA/EMEA/VS, while putting every other region in order lol
Bruh, sentinels does not belong at 3rd place after the way they performed at berlin, and Acend doesn't absolutely belong at 8th, same for NV at 5th, and Fnatic over acend is just stupid
sir i know its a flair check but why u saying acend is below kru and fnc
put vision striker down below envy and bump acend up to just below envy.
- Sentinals need to be dropped below envy as well
- realistically the only good regions are NA and EMEA with the only good other team being vision strikers, so idk why you put Acend higher lol
- but otherwise good list
this list was made mathematically, based mainly on the most recent performance of each team. The number in () is the team's calculated Elo rating
- Gambit (172)
- Liquid (148)
- Envy (142)
- VS (134)
- Acend (130)
- Sentinels (125)
- 100T (119)
- Fnatic (100)
- VK (62)
- KRU (46)
- Secret (46)
- CR (44)
- Furia (43)
- Full Sense (36)
- X10 (-1)
- Vikings (-6)
https://www.remi-coulom.fr/Bayesian-Elo/ with every single round win in Berlin (2x weighted), S3 Challengers Finals and LCQ.
X10 lost to vikings in iceland and don't look good in SEA qualify to masters berlin
1) Gambit
2) Sen
3) Envy
4) Acend
5) Liquid
6) VS
7)Fnatic
8)Kru
9)Furia
10) FullSense
11) CR
12)VivoKeyd
13) Vikings
14) X10
15) Secret (current form theyre horrible)
16) NA LCQ (My list changes after the LCQ but cant decide for now)
This are my power rankings list it will be mostly based on recent performances, rating teams like Fnatic and Secret will be difficult
1) Gambit- Best team in the world, won convincingly at Berlin. Does have a disadvantage when it comes being studied by other teams but I believe that Gambit wont be outdated like Sentinels was at Berlin and make some changes to stay ahead of the opponents.
2) Envy- Hardest position to decide but had to settle with NV, very convincing showing at Berlin and a lot of people will say they overperformed at Berlin but they didnt lose a single map till the grand finals and Yay might only get better from now. Also looking like a pretty strong LAN team
3) Vision Strikers- Played well at Berlin but lost to eventual winners, their bind does look pretty weak but I think they should either give Lakia more maps or just bench him, there is no point in giving a guy just 1 map only ruins team synergy and chemistry
4) SentinLs- Still a pretty strong team, can make changes in their comps now to do well in Berlin. Also I think they will work harder than they did last time.
5) Team Liquid- Won LCQ without losing a single game, look pretty strong in my opinion and Nivera only gets better from here, also their previous LAN experience should help them, placing them any higher would be a Liquid bias so I think 5th is good enough for now
6) Acend- Best operator player in the world, should work on team play better but I think they will work on improving their strats in the time they have and their prior LAN experience will be pretty good for them, clearly looked nervous last LAN
7) KRU- Played pretty decently at Berlin, I think they are the best team from South America
8) Full Sense - Winners of LCQ in APAC region, JohnOlsen and PTC are reallllyyyyyyy good
9) Fnatic - Hard to rate Fnatic here but they havent played in a really long time and their performances post Berlin are actually pretty bad, failing to make it to the qualifiers for Berlin, losing to TENSTAR
10) Vivo Keyd- Heat is a really good Jett player and recently happened to sign mwzera who most people consider to be the best player in Brazil.
11) Crazy Racoons- Their third LAN, wouldnt be too shocked if this was their redemption arc
12) Furia- Did win LCQ pretty convincingly, thrashing Australs in the Finals
13) Team Secret- Looked kinda bad in that tournament though that did have agent bans and shit which doesnt really happen at Champions
14) Vikings- Havent seen them play in a long time but got destroyed in Berlin qualifiers so yeah
15) X10- Bombed out of Berlin qualifiers, their star player patiphan hasnt played in ages, I think that might hurt their chances at Champions
tbh vikings lost in OT to keyd on berlin qualifier, its really hard to say how they will perform but I think they can surprise us. I don't think there's a big gap between the 3 teams, but only time will tell.
fnatic are still a good team, putting them below full sense and kru is an insult lol
wow best take so far but tbh I think with the addition of mwzera, VK might be higher than FNC
1) Gambit
2) Vision Strikers
3) Liquid
4) Sentinels
5) Envy
6) Acend
7) Kru
8) Crazy Racoons
9) Full Sense
10) Vivo Keyd
11) Furia
12) X10
13) Fnatic
14) Vikings
15) Secret
16) NA Lcq
1.gmb
2.envy
3.VS
4.liquid
5.acend
6.SEN
7.na lcq
8.kru
9.FS
10.VK
11.Fnatic
12.CR
13.TS
14.furia
15.Vks
16.X10
not so sure abt Fnatic, TS, VKs, and X10
this is a different mathematical ranking from the one above that takes into account all of Stage 3 VCT (and LCQ). This rewards consistency and long-term success (clarification: within stage 3) rather than one good tournament when determining the rankings. The number in () is the team's calculated Elo rating
- Gambit (345)
- Envy (318)
- Acend (316)
- Sentinels (310)
- VS (310)
- Liquid (303)
- 100T (300)
- Fnatic (281)
- VK (237)
- KRU (227)
- CR (223)
- Furia (222)
- Secret (222)
- Full Sense (213)
- X10 (176)
- Vikings (173)
see i dont want to look like an idiot but Sen won that much and are BELOW acend and envy? gambit i understand cuz there is not that much competition in CIS except Navi and they roll Navi too so . Sen won soo much and are only 310??
how is this calculated LMAO
Berlin games were given 3x weight, Challengers Finals and LCQs were given 2x weight and all other games got 1x.
Also, the current iteration of the formula uses rounds rather than maps. So since Envy's loss to Sen was two 13-11s, and then Envy beat Sen by more than that in the Berlin match (which also had higher weight), Envy got put above Sen. Also keep in mind that 8 elo points really isn't a lot at all
Consistency and Long term successs ur saying , but Envy JUST NOW started placing 3rd and 2nd , before they Were ALWAYS 4th
while sentinels were consistently winning everything ,
it's based on Stage 3 VCT only. I could make a ranking for the whole year if you want. But at that point i feel like i'm just making an esports award ranking, not a power ranking for champs
funny thing is u rly dont need to do this rankings but thank you anyways Xd
power rankings are rankings of their most recent success, over all of the VCT circuit for 2021 obviously Sentinels is the best NA team, but NV's rankings at Challenger's Finals and then Berlin and its win over SEN and 100T imo cements them as NA #1 especially with how little time they've had with Yay
yeah but an Envy vs sentinels game before that , sen won like 13-8 , 13-9 or smth
in the dataset, the total score between sen and envy was Envy 143 - 138 Sen
FWIW imo sen is better but the point is to try to do it mathematically
if its consistency and long-term success i don't see how envy is above sen based on previous torneys
1) Gambit
2) Sen
3) Envy
4) vs
5) Liquid
6) acend
7)Fnatic
8)Secret
9)X10
10) FullSense
11) kru
12) cr
13) Vikings
14) furia
15) vivo
16) NA
ez for gambit, also BR sucks
1) Gambit
2) Sen
3) Liquid
4) Envy
5) Acend
6) VS
7)FullSense
8) Fnatic
9)XSET (hopium)
10) X10
11) Kru
12) VivoKeyd
13) Vikings
14) Furia
15) Secret (current form theyre horrible)
16) CR
CR not that low esp after their map against Gambit. VKS/Secret should be lowest and VK should be around 6-7 and no way KRU is that low
- Gambit
- Envy
- Sen
- Liquid
- Acend
- Na lcq
- Vision strikers
8.Vikings - Kru
- Fnatic
- X10
12.Vivo Keyd - Full Sense
- CR
- Furia
- team secret
As a VS fan I am happy to see them in the top five of the power rankings. They deserve it
- Team liquid- 1 round a way from knocking gambit out of qualifiers for Berlin, and that was when they didn't even have nivera, also with new agent changes, especially utilising astra, i think Liquid could have a solid chance at winning, especially with the last home ground tournament
- gambit - won Berlin not really much else to say really
- Envy - Yay is the best jett in the world and the second best awper behind cned, also they have a really solid team and are very strong on LAN
- Vision strikers - looked very strong at berlin, unlucky they had to play gambit really
- Sen - if they play like they did at berlin they won't have a chance at winning, but if they change up their comp to the new metas, they have a very good chance to win.
- Acend - very solid team, don't really know how they choked against 100t, best awper on earth rn
- c9b - could be dark horses, but not really comparable to any teams from Emea/NA except fanatic
- Fnatic - haven't played officials for ages, but i think they could come back strong
(Gap left because realistically none of the teams below are going to win)
- Kru - decent i guess, best of the rest really
- cr - qualified to all the Lans, maybe experience will help?
- Team secret, you never know maybe they would have won berlin?
- full sense - they actually look strong, they could be dark horses, but because they weren't really contenders in challengers playoffs they are low.
- furia - dominated the last chance qualifier, but not really too good in their region.
- Vivo keyd- ok i guess, are alright in their region.
- team vikings - only not the worst because of x10.
- X10- not really sure how they qualified, and 99% get knocked out as soon as possible
Kekquid in top 3 after they struggled against a Guild team playing a 4v5... give me a break
there wasnt anything wrong with their comps at berlin it was just an obvious dip in form. statistically it was the worst tournament for dapr and zombs
They didn’t play worse, they just played against better teams, and we’re worse
LMAOO gtn the worst duelist I have ever seen. manz can't entry for shit. he and toronto must be great buddies
- Gambit
- Envy
- Sentinels
- Vision Strikers
- Team Liquid
- Acend
- Fnatic
- Kru
- Vivo Keyd
- Full Sense
- Crazy Racoons
- Fúria
- Team Secret
- Vikings
- X10
- Gambit
- Envy
- Team liquid
- Vision Strikers
- Sentinels
- Acend
- Fnatic
- Kru
- Full sense
- Vivo keyd
- Crazy raccons
- Furia
13.Team Secret
14.Vikings - X10
(Not ranking the NA LCQ winner obv)
- Gambit
- Sentinels
- VS
- Envy
- Liquid
- Acend
- Fnatic
- KRU
- Full Sense
- Vivo Keyd
- Vikings
- Furia
- X10
- Secret
- Crazy Racoon
1.gambit
2.sen
3.vs
4.nv
5.acend
6.TL
- NA lcq winner
8.fnatic
9.kru
10.full sense
11.VK
12.secret
13.CR
14.furia
15.X10
16.vikings
this game allows smaller regions to catch up really fast mainly because strats and the understanding of the game is not as difficult as some games like LoL.
Just by looking at the number of agents, the number of combinations possible of strats which also depends of the maps/sides, any region can easily catch up by 2022, VODs/LAN help them a lot. Iceland gap > Berlin Gap > Champions Gap > 2022 Gap.
In fact no region is dominant and everything will be different once Jett gets viable counter matchups. bye the One-trick jett main and shit
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