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csgo skill based?

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#1
Choconaniyay

How is csgo skill based or even esports? Every aspect of the game is RNG.
-tapping or one tapping
Even if youre standing still and you take a shot its RNG where your bullet goes. Also knows as first bullet accuracy.
-Spray
There is RNG in the spray as well, even tho it wont make a big difference in close range, its a thing.
-Run and gun
Complately RNG, your shots can miss even if you aim on them, but the enemy will aim nowhere near you and because theyre innacurate, it will adjust on your head.
-"Reading the game and your opponents"
There is no such thing, you cant read minds.

So how is this game "skill based" or even esports?

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PrTsty
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by that logic 80 percent of the games arent skill based

anyways if u want a game with 99.99 percent competitive balance play rocket league

#3
Choconaniyay
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thats why i always say the best game is chess, its balanced
Edit: controller players have advantage in rocket league

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PrTsty
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controller players dont have an advantage, its only mechanicaly not aim bot or something like that. also who tf plays keyboard. but basically in most esports you could build your own controller/joystics if u want to, thats like using different boots in basketball/football

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Choconaniyay
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Still not balanced keyboard and mouse users to play vs controller users or vice versa. There should be a balance to make it fair and sqaure for everyone

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PrTsty
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Dude thats not how it works. Its just 2 different hradwares, u give information to the pc in a other way but the result remains the same. Its just preference + almost everyone uses controller anyways. Its not like COD where u have autoaim and the skill ceiling on the controller is higher. U can be as good on keyboard and mouse as other on controller wich is not possible if there is ajtoaim like in shooters

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Choconaniyay
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Aiming mechanics are different, and movement between keys on keyboard vs keys on controller have different timings, they may be with miliseconds but it makes a difference. Everyone should play on same conditions.

#31
BarrelMarble32
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So all games are shit then? Not a single game only supports 1 platform

#48
TinglyPiano
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no is not. you the type of ppl who blame enemy is cheater when u got headshot every game lmao

#57
Choconaniyay
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nah, i almost never accuse of hacking, i have enough game knowledge to spot cheaters and good players. although RNG, yes i do blame it

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PrTsty
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the difference between other games is you can chose by preferance. mouse and keyboard doesnt have a clear disadvantage like in COD where u literally have lower skill ceiling

#51
Puget
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White is literally having an advantage and on the highest level when you are playing as black you are playing for a draw

#79
Mortadelo
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Whites have advantage in chess u racist

Jkjk

#4
Koe
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I think you have been playing shooters for a short period. Its not about that reading the game is possible. For sure you cant predict anything in game but after many hours you can expect what people usually do in different type of situations and make decisions.

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Choconaniyay
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Ive been playing shooters since around 2010, and sure you can read ppl to a certain extend. But you can only read the obvious stuff if you learn the timings, but you cant predict your opponents, its randomness, you cant stay it takes skill. Very often dumb plays work out because theyre simply dumb and unpredictable

#7
most_mens_guy
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That's so dumb reply to be honest

#12
Choconaniyay
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My reply is dumb where im explaining something apparently, meanwhile your reply "dumb reply"

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PrTsty
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I agree, games in wich u dont have all informations you need are not 100 percent balanced and fair an there is always a factor u as a player cant control (not random neccessarly) thats why I always say Rockjet league is the best esports game, its basically a traditional sport but virtual + no luck factor like for example fifa (shooting and stuff)

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How is football skill based or even sports? Every aspect of the game is RNG.
-fouls
Even if you’re clearly fouled it’s RNG if the referee blows his whistle or is too lazy to do anything.
-kicking the ball
There is RNG in kicking the ball as well, there’s this thing called wind, even tho it won’t make a big difference, its a thing
-field side
Completely RNG, you literally flip a coin to decide, and don’t tell me that they play on both sides, the wind changes
-“Predicting the penalty kick”
There is no such thing, you cant read minds.

So how is this game “skill based” or even sports?

#14
Choconaniyay
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I dont know about football, i dont watch it.
But look at chess, its balanced and not one sided

#22
Big_Floppa
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I mean white usually kinda has an advantage

#23
Choconaniyay
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i knew someone would say that, but its not really true, because if you play black you can get a glimps on what your opponent is planning.
And if you do a best of 3 it shouldnt be a problem

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Big_Floppa
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My chess knowledge isn't the best but who gets white in the 3rd game of a bo3

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streamratings
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The white player actually has a huge advantage at top levels. Also the game is extremely drawish at high levels and long time controls.

#58
Choconaniyay
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So you gonna pretend that it doesnt matter on which side you start in cs? Because some maps are CT or T sided. And its random on which side you start.

#63
Big_Floppa
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No it isn't lmao map1 is decided by the team that didn't pick 2 vice versa and 3 is picked by a knife round at the start kekw

#64
Choconaniyay
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Weird, i start a game and there is no knife round. And its bo1

#73
Big_Floppa
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Play faceit kekw bo1 you get to choose side I'm pretty sure the new premier matchmaking feature is similar

#71
streamratings
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In CS you get to play both sides of the map. Yes there’s some advantage to starting on T or CT, but it’s only a mental advantage, since you play both sides. Also I never said anything about CS, why are you bringing it up?

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Wwpcc
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That`s the price what sometimes we have to pay for know how to read.

That`s the singlest, biggest, stupidest thing i`ve ever read for a long time.

#13
Choconaniyay
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No argument = insta destroyed

#15
Sunot
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lol average valorant player education

#16
Choconaniyay
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In that case go on and educate the class

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Sunot
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it's such a zoomer take on how modern fps should be played. Having accuracy and no rng = skilled. Having less accuracies and rng = no skilled. I can't begin to fathom where to begin I just can't lol. That's why for every generation mechanics are dumbed down and I had the same argument with CSGO zoomers saying CS1.6 players is less skilled because it is RNG lmao. THE SAME argument you posted. I read your posts your not interested in learning just to argue so I don't think I want to waste my time. Keep thinking that buddy.

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Choconaniyay
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Haha "zoomer" i have 4.5k hrs in csgo and 3k in 1.6. (faceit lvl 10)
At only 800 units ak accuracy is only 95% which means you miss a headshot 1 out of 20 times.
From Long doors to T spawn on dust2 you only have accuracy of 50%
From A site to pit accuracy is 38.1%

#26
hekzy
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You do know that vandal has 75% right?

#28
Choconaniyay
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This isnt Val vs CS, i dont think Val is skill based either, neither i play Val so much.

#33
CherryCoke
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is vandal really 75%?

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hekzy
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It has 0.25 inaccuracy. It says it in the buy menu. You can also test it out in range.

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Sunot
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bro there's no faceit in 1.6. 3k hours in 1.6 means jack if you spent it all on zombie mod and public servers lol. Again your posting the same arguments I had with CSGO zoomers lmao. Thinking their hours played = understand the game xDDd

#29
Choconaniyay
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You said you wont respond and it would have been better if you didnt. Im lvl 10 in csgo not in 1.6 lmao.

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Sunot
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Nah Im just saying having how many hours in the game doesn't mean you are more experience. I played since 08' and I only have 3k hours on 1.6 but I have more understanding of the game than you ever will because you spent most of your time in public server or zombie mod learning jack. We can play 1v1 right now on fastcup and I would wipe you with 250 ping in EU servers because you do not have the same learning curve and experience as I do. It shows your lack of understanding of the game on a high level see?

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BarrelMarble32
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1v1 me bro I’m FaceIt level 13

#42
Choconaniyay
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A lot of hours don't mean experience? Are you drunk? I realy doubt you have more understanding tham me lmao. I have been map developing and coding plugins for CS, i have so many hours. And in 1.6 non steam probably have 8k extra hrs.
I know how the game works better than you. Nice argument btw "you are wrong 1v1 me" is all you could come up with.
You wanna 1v1 me with 250 ping just so you abuse peeker's advantage. I know how the game works better than you, trust me.
I don't even play CSGO anymore, ive quit 6 months ago. And 1v1 maps are PURE rng and nothing else. Any pro knows this. If you really think you better show me your faceit

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again who cares about hours. If all you do is develop plugins and maps and not playing the game you have 0 experience in actually playing the game.

Are you actually that dense? With 250 ping you don't have peeker's advantage lmao. I really doubt you have 8k hours in 1.6 with this awful assessment. I tell you what. Give me your steam id, we fire up fastcup.net. One in chicago and one in singapore, let me whoop you and show your hours mean absolutely nothing

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Choconaniyay
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"again who cares about hours. If all you do is develop plugins and maps and not playing the game you have 0 experience in actually playing the game."
Once again you show how stupid you are, I already stated that i have 4.5khrs in csgo and probably over 10k in 1.6.

"With 250 ping you don't have peeker's advantage"
yes you do, this just shows how much "understanding" of the game you have.

And no thank you, i am busy playing better games, i have 2hrs past 2 weeks, you probably play this shit all day and you think if you win over me because of my inactivity you know more. Which is a dumb thing on your side

#20
tezz1
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Dont cry please

#25
squint
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cry is free

#32
monkeybabybobo
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You must be baiting sure you can look at it this way and you can make an argument but it’s who can use these things in the game best and if everything was just luck how tf do you explain eras of teams and players who dominate everyone

#41
Choconaniyay
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"who can use these things in the game best" you cant use luck better than someone else, its randomness, not skill.
And the eras are just a fluke, coincidence of lucky events.
This explains why any team can win over any team and lose to it next day, its RNG

#67
monkeybabybobo
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Your retarded lmao explain the astralis era they rnged everyone? You must be baiting I don’t understand your fake deep thought process and yes you can use rng to your best abilities it’s not like first bullet headshot is a guaranteed rng most of the time it will hit where you aim and for example taking fights that are favorable to you

#69
Choconaniyay
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0/8 it doesnt hit 1 out of 20 times at 850 units. Astralis era just fluke, where are they now?

#76
monkeybabybobo
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Lmao nvm you’re actually handicap

#77
Choconaniyay
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its facts, cry all u want monke

#35
Astralis_6_majors
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😂

#36
BAN_ANIME
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2/8

#38
TSM_IS_MY_FLAIR
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shit bait

#39
yaiima0
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This isn’t master bait, this is sharter bait.

#40
Yoorake
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If you want no luck game go play starcraft and see how much your hands hurt

#43
Valerence
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Ratio

#45
yungbasel
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99% sure I will hate myself for replying to this stupid post, but you seem genuinely convinced, so let me educate you rather than just calling you 1head. And your take is as 1head as they come.

How is csgo skill based or even esports? Every aspect of the game is RNG.
-tapping or one tapping
Even if youre standing still and you take a shot its RNG where your bullet goes. Also knows as first bullet accuracy.
*1 tapping is not the premise of csgo, it was not designed to be a 1 tap fest. 1tapping was popularised by a few players such as screaM who came over primarily from CS SOURCE, where first bullet accuracy on main rifles was far far more accurate than CSGO. Even though CS is not "realistic" it leans towards simulation, more than arcade on the action game spectrum. This is why first bullet innaccuracy is a thing. Furthermore, it is based on percentage chance DEPENDING on ranged distance. If you stand point blank at an enemy and fire with the AK at the head, you are going to hit the head 99.9999999% of the time. Same at short range, same at medium. Medium to long range is when you will see this dip slightly. And only at very long range will this drop to a noticeable percentage.

The skill to be acquired here, is how to control the recoil of your burst fire at longer ranges whilst strafing in between them. This is a skill that can be done poorly, or extremely well. It is not RNG to the point that a silver player could ever beat for example a global elite in like a 10 round duel or something. It's not happening.

Enter LONG RANGE RANGE WEAPONS. This is what makes sniper rilfes, auto snipers, and inbetween guns such as AUG and KRIEG more viable. They are designed for shooting at these longer ranges. This is what we call common sense/weapon design/ balance / whatever you want to call it*

-Spray
There is RNG in the spray as well, even tho it wont make a big difference in close range, its a thing.

As above. Recoil and spray control is very predictable, it doesn't need to be 100% the same every time, as mentioned above. There is a skill to be acquired here, in how to control recoil and spray of certain guns, and it is REPEATABLE with a high success rate. Spray in valorant, not so much. You can, with confidence in CSGO, miss your first bullet and within 7~8ish bullets in the same spray correct and kill your enemy. In VAL this could be less, or it could be a whole clip

-Run and gun
Complately RNG, your shots can miss even if you aim on them, but the enemy will aim nowhere near you and because theyre innacurate, it will adjust on your head.

You really are 1 head for this take. I can't help you if you don't understand why this is irrelevant.

-"Reading the game and your opponents"
There is no such thing, you cant read minds.

*Yes there is. Because there is limited time and a consistent objective, in a select few maps. You know what this means? There are not an infinite number of viable scenarios for your opponents to achieve their objectives. This is where common sense and META comes into play. Players will use generally accepted as "best practice" strats to win rounds. It's up to you to use your brain to brain to read and PREDICT these.

Did your team mate call smokes mid on D2? with flashses over long A? Then guess what, it's LIKELY (not guaranteed) there is an A split taking place.

Did your team mate get picked off while crossing doors? It's likely they will exploit the timing and take a B hit.

Are your enemies on shit cash? It's possible they're going to stack / push together or play some tight ratty angles*

I can't help you anymore. That's your parents job to fix your shortcomings.

#56
Choconaniyay
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Your comment was quite dumb and it blew my mind away how delusional and biased ppl can be, but in case youre not trolling, i will respond to you anyway:

-tapping
You're wrong CSGO is designed for 1 tapping, its a part of the game. Pros like Scream or Niko made it popular, but one tapping doesn't exist to make you look cool and flashy. It does that because it requires good aim to do so. Players one tap to get a max accuracy out of their weapon, thus standing still and taking a shot.
And yes, in short range its kinda fine. In mid range RNG comes in and in long range its dusgusting. But not all your fights are short range. Even awp isnt accurate enough in long range.
Yes its true that Spraying and aiming takes skill, the RNG isnt enough to make it so a silver can win against a global, but when we are talking about players who are on the SAME level of skill thats why cs ranks exist, or same faceit lvl, then theyre both as equally good and then RNG becomes way more influential.

-spray
The spray you can control to a good extend, but the RNG aspect of it is dumb. Imagine your shot lands directly above his head, instead on it because of the RNG, and imagine your enemy misses but the RNG actually adjusts it on your head. Thats dumb.

-reading the game
Read what i stated in #5 i wont go over this again.

#59
yungbasel
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ah i get it, you're beyond help. have a nice day. and set your alarm for your meds.

#60
Choconaniyay
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Even you already admitted there is RNG in it, so stop crying. You dont even have anything to say anymore because you know you wrong

#61
yungbasel
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The problem with you is that your clouded brain won't allow you to see that the presence of RNG doesn't mean an absence of skill.

Whatever education system you're a part of has thoroughly failed your ability to think objectively, and it'll hold you back in life.

#62
Choconaniyay
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Greek talking about education system...

#74
tenzen
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stfu silver :D

#46
HaSanity
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i think csgo is much harder for me personally since i can't really counter strafe as good as i can in valorant (as its easier)

#50
TinglyPiano
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there's practically no counter strafe in valorant lol

#47
StockfishZ
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every single game has rng like wtf lmao, if you dont want rng just play chess everything is balanced there

#49
TinglyPiano
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please take that Europe flag down, you are embarrasing the whole continent

#53
Choconaniyay
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Oh look, im sorry that you thought you were good at something that is luck based. Sorry but youre not good, its a battle of the luck

#54
hacislayer
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You are not real, Are you?

#55
Choconaniyay
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Of course i am, its all facts and in the code

#65
Wwpcc
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-> Says that CS doesn't have skill

-> brags about being lv 10 face it.

If the game had no skill why are u talking about level? Dumb af.

#66
Choconaniyay
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Hello? I didnt brag about it, i just proved a person wrong who was claiming i dont have experience.

And if you read my comments you would know that i said that rng is most crucial when you play against opponents that are same rank. Obviously a global would be more skilled than a silver.

Its funny how the dumb ppl always calling others dumb without realizing that theyre the dumb ones.

#68
Wwpcc
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First, I know that ur post is bait but whatever.

If the game was all about being RNG as u are saying, them ranks, levels etc would all be irrelevant.

If someone can be better than other, it's because the game has mechanics (physical or mental, doesn't matter) that allow them to it, so it requires skills.

U arguments are pointless and very bad ones. I can pick what u said and use it for basically every other Esport or even regular sports out there.

#70
Choconaniyay
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Geez i already talked about that 3 times, but i guess you didnt see my comments, its fine.
CS isnt 100% only RNG ofc. Your argument is that a global cant lose to a silver, because if the game was 100% rng the silver could win 50/50.
But i already explained that RNG is most crucial when players of the same rank play against each other, they have the same skill level, thats when the winning deciding factor is RNG, timings etc.
If they are equal in skill, it would always be a tie. But its not, because there are factors like timings and rng.
Obviously a player who just startes playing wont win against global wtf is this argument.
Also look in pro matches how any team can win against any team

#72
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No one is equal in skill to another person, so ur point is invalid. Everyone has some strengths and weakness even when playing at same level.

When two teams of (close) same level play each other, the winning team are the one who shot better, who use utility better, who predict what their enemy can do better, the team that adapt for the enemy team better.

Again, pick soccer and put Real Madrid vs Barcelona both on their prime, one team will score a goal only when the other team make a mistake right? So the team that make less mistakes win, and which team is the one that make less mistakes? The most skilled one.

I'll not keep this discussion because this is clearly I bait and I'm really is losing time here.

Have a good day.

#78
Choconaniyay
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"No one is equal in skill to another person" excuse me and how do you know that? Are you god? We have ranks and levels to put players of the same caliber play against each other. Why do you think nobody is euqal in skill?

The team that shot better? No, sorry shooting is rng. utility usage is a fair point, you cant predict ppl, you cant read their minds, you think you do, but nope. Adaptation isnt a thing too, the enemy team can switch their gamestyle any second.

And about soccer i dont care, because i dont watch this boring sport

#80
Wwpcc
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Bro, how u can`t predict people ? Do you never heard of probability and statistic ?

And tell me how two people can be exactly equal in skill ? It`s impossible, there a thousand variables, no one is equally good at shooting, at peeking, at the movement, at the utility usage, at the mind games etc... even if the difference is small, there`s one.

That part was the most braindead one: "Adaptation isnt a thing too, the enemy team can switch their gamestyle and second" do you know what this is ? ADAPTATION, lol, just because is the enemy team doing doesn`t change what it is.

#81
Choconaniyay
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do you wanna discuss this in a VC

#82
Wwpcc
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i`m brazilian and my english speaking is bad.

And we`ll keep discussing and not finding a consensus, so it`s waste of time.

Just a question, Valorant is skill based ?

#83
Choconaniyay
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I dont play enough Val to judge

#86
yourfather
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GUYS HIS BAIT IS WORKING 90+ COMMENTS YALL NEED TO STOPPPPPP

#91
Big_Floppa
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Don't you ever feel like you want to be challenged mentally like I want to try and circumnavigate this bait I know I'm losing but I still wanna try it

#92
yourfather
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wha the fuck its 4 am you need to stop smoking that shit

#87
kwaii
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its true CoD has more skill than CS, in CS u just hold corners and play the waiting game till the enemy peaks. how is that competitive?

#88
Choconaniyay
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yeah and COD has better hitboxes too

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