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If Ardiis was shit this year

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#1
bricky_

Crashies was ass then. export him to China and let him taste what is it like playing regularly against the goat like KK and Whzy

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ionlyHave1Zuni
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Fardiis

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goofyahh1447
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flag

flair

#3
30_bullets_vandal_guy
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so crashies made ardiis is that what you mean

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Valgod
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Ardiis wasn't even that bad this year, he was just mid

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ionlyHave1Zuni
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Nah he was shit, 2 worst rating on nrg after PENIS

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Valgod
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On the second best team in Americas and even then his stats weren't bad considering FNS was forcing him to play killjoy and sage

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ionlyHave1Zuni
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second worst u mean

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Valgod
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They finished 2nd in amerikkkas

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ionlyHave1Zuni
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Im gonna assume the 3 k are a brazilian laugh and not sum else

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kaibe8
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after champs you can't tell us they are better than EG or Loud

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koromast
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wasnt he forced to play way more agents on na´vi and did way better?

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Valgod
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On fpx he was flexing to initiators not sentinels

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koromast
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he just flexed kj and chamber (his main last year) wtf you on?

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Valgod
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He played sage and kj this year, which he never did before. he only played chamber because it was busted in 2022 not because he plays sentinels

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koromast
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bro really said ardiis never played sage before LMAOOOOO

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Valgod
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if he played sage 5 times before it's basically nothing

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Zerphyr1
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1.14 rating as jett at tokyo
1.15 rating as jett at champs
1.2 rating as jett at lock//in
1.08 rating as jett in americas league

When he plays on his comfort pick which is jett he is the second best on his team in terms of stats.
FNS puts him on sage and kj and other shit agents in which he doesn't do well bc he has never played those agents before.
He did not have a shit year but an average year for him

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Asuna_Yuuki
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Haha no

So you’re admitting he is a jett one trick

Sorry but jett isn’t meta on every map

Ardiis needs to widen his agent pool

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Zerphyr1
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no? It's just hard for ardiis to adapt when he goes from playing jett 100% of the time to then only 40%. The fact that ardiis is a one trick jett is not my point but it's the fact that he puts up very good numbers on jett but terrible numbers on every other agent but then chet and fns keep putting him on agents that he will do bad on. It makes no sense at all putting him on sage when you know he will get a 0.7 rating when you could put him on jett and he will get a 1.15 rating.

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Asuna_Yuuki
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Ok so what do u want chet and fns to do?

They can’t put ardiis on jett every map

Its ardiis’s fault for not being flexible

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Zerphyr1
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I mean they can. They run other shit like victor neon or raze and so ardiis has to play another agent as they don't like double duelist. Only bind is where I can see ardiis playing something other than jett. But fns and chet need to try something different bc its been obvious that putting him on anything but jett will make him underperform heavily.

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goofyahh1447
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he was good at baiting brazilians tho

#9
ionlyHave1Zuni
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atleast he was good at sum 🙏

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goofyahh1447
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQykQzOu-0A

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Before the topic fades away completely, I had to mention а couple of things about some player and their NRG escapades.

First and foremost, Ardiis was not NRG's second, third, fourth, or fifth worst player... aye, I f-ing mean it.

TM   PLAYER   RND   ACS  K:D   ADR  KPR   APR   FKPR  FDPR  FKPR-FDPR   K    D    A   FK   FD
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NRG  ardiis   1437  222  1.08  146  0.75  0.24  0.18  0.14    0.05    1072  990  339  259  194
NRG  Victor   1437  213  1.0   137  0.73  0.29  0.12  0.11    0.01    1057  989  413  178  162
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NRG  s0m      1437  202  1.1   130  0.75  0.39  0.08  0.07    0.01    1076  928  554  111  102
NRG  crashies 1437  196  1.1   128  0.70  0.40  0.06  0.06    0.00     996  925  569   86   93
NRG  FiNESSE  1437  177  0.8   120  0.57  0.33  0.08  0.08    0.00     816  997  477  109  118

In fact, Ardiis was NRG's BEST player on average - not by a HUGE margin, but still a fact... yet, much to the astonishment of many BRAIN-F-DEAD members on here, he also wasn't even close to a MID player. Aye... Holyyy f-ing cow! 🐄🐮We're actually digging deep here, aight?....

And with the above table ... some of the important AVERAGE stats from the same stages Ardiis and NRG has competed in ... that's to help us to distinguish the MIDness that actually lies exactly below the DASHED line in the above table 😘:

ACS  194   (+/-28)
ADR  127   (+/-18)
FKPR 0.1 (+/-0.05)
FDPR 0.1 (+/-0.05)
APR  0.3 (+/-0.12)

And of course, the achievements board for such a "GREAT TEAM":

LOCK//IN         5th-8th
TOKYO_MASTERS        4th 
AMERICAS             2nd
Champions_2023  9th-12th

VERDICT: NRG was nothing more but a pathetic squad of ASSisters and not even the CHAD ones like Ethan who would clear in a blink of an eye and more. And of course, it is important to mention that with help from such great talent such as VICTOR - perhaps the only TRUE PLAYER who had remained from the old ENVY-OPTIC team, and who is also so unjustly underrated by many on here... the BUNCH got a bit TOO CONFIDENT, forgetting the fact that they'd abandoned two of their BEST players before transitioning to NRG - YAY and MarveD, who by the way, earned them the trophy.

So, to prevent any further goat scaping in Ardiss' regard, as some BRAINDEADS are good at...

Those players in the corresponding table who are placed below the DASHED line ("- - - - - -") are a highly ORDINARY to BAD bunch of players... and considering the depth of NA's pool, should not even BE in teams that ought to be regarded decent in the first place, let alone in those teams who win trophies. PERIOD.

#26
uwukitten
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there's a reason vlr/spike rating is used to judge players, you bringing up ACS and acting like it's proof he did great is retarded. a duelist is expected to have high ACS since their utility is literally designed to take fights and their whole team sets them up for it.

in fact if you compare his stats on jett to other top duelists by acs he still falls short (and the top ones also have better rating)

his kj looked good by the end of the year but the only duelist he can really play is jett and he isn't a top duelist on her. I would say he was the third or fourth best NRG player this year, with crashies being the fifth since his only truly good performance was in americas playoffs

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clocksky888
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Inb4 ... Oh, you got me talking ... But be aware, braincells will be challenged.

there's a reason vlr/spike rating is used to judge players.

Yes, and thank you for bringing that up but I am well aware of that already.

However, there are a couple of considerations to keep in mind.

  1. Neither of the RATING models can be regarded as a comprehensive representation of the player it portrays - a definitive statement here, no BS.
  2. There's no other significant aspect to worry about concerning this matter except for a genuine appreciation of the individuals responsible for developing those MODELS - VLR/THESPIKE/RIB have done a great job!... Because these models serve as somewhat of a good indicator (indices) we can look at.

However, the above should not imply that such models will always paint the exact representations of all the scenarios that there're in the gameplay. At times, the game presents players with specific events that these models are kind of not accounting for - yet, rating scores still do a great job in painting enough of the overall picture, I'd say.

The thing is, though... and it's important to acknowledge that each platform, whether it's VLR, THESPIKE, or RIB, has its own interpretation of said RATING model. And no, they are not the same! I encourage you to pay attention to this aspect, as there are numerous occasions where we might require just the estimator as a coefficient for a more comprehensive solutions, whether it pertains to our strategic planning or any form of optimization we aim to achieve - it is simply more handy to have one such value in form of a rating score than to re-do all of the estimations from the start every time we wish to apply certain scenario to look at (the data could be damn huge, and is often as such).

Yet, with all certainty, I do believe ACS is the most important indicator (a compound one) in the game VALORANT, and it exists for the obvious reasons --> AVERAGE COMBAT SCORE. The scale used to assess all of the remaining indicators (also important ones) and their RELEVANCE in connection to ACS, on the other hand, is not particularly broad. I'll even argue that we could use floating measures to compare how a certain play is played out in relation to what score one receives from it - there's simply too much intricacy and ways to do it → we’re so digging too deep into the forest here.

Another --> However, in general terms, we may just state that ACS is just marginally more relevant than the next down when it comes to reaching certain conclusions... and I mean conclusion because ACS is your typical score for the player’s impact that they’d provided in the game - not less or more, ffs, LET ALONE THAT ACS IS ACTUALLY THE MAIN ESTIMATOR OF ALL OTHER IMPORTANT INDICATORS IN THE GAME - if that was not clear enough already. ADR is not less significant, but it is somewhat covered in ACS - not precisely as you may imagine, though. Yet, on some occasions, you'd be better off by looking at ADR (for example, in the case of support agents) in isolation or in conjunction with ACS, or simply straight both ADR/ACS together to draw conclusions +ofc our very loved and additional other factors to analyse shit further - ain't that easy here in the multi-dimensional realm, I'd say.

Finally, the important bit: All of them are INTERCONNECTED and are considered at various stages, often in combination with one another. There isn't a definitive right or wrong way to approach this, but rather through a comprehensive and inclusive way ← don’t lock your MENTAL CAPACITY, else braindead condition will get you.

In reality, comparing his numbers on Jett to other top duellists by acs, he still falls short (and the top ones also have higher ratings)

You're blending different things together. If my intention was to compare Ardiis to other Jett players, I would have created a balanced chart encompassing all Jetts, irrespective of my personal feelings toward the players I'm comparing with Ardiis. We can eliminate that possibility because I'm making an effort to avoid presenting a weak argument from my end - I am not an unfounded Ulrich, and I'm also ensuring objectivity.

"his kj looked good by the end of the year but the only duelist he can really play is jett and he isn't a top duelist on her. I would say he was the third or fourth best NRG player this year, with crashies being the fifth since his only truly good performance was in americas playoffs."

Once more, I hold a different viewpoint, and I've provided you with the comprehensive table displaying Ardiis' performance across all stages. Such discussions demand a more thorough analysis, which I haven't observed from your end yet (though I might be offering some encouragement here, perhaps?). Additionally, there's a rationale behind evaluating all four stages of the year as a whole rather than just selecting a few specific ones – this approach offers a yearly perspective on Ardiis' performance, and that was my primary intention here.

Moving forward, I've omitted a substantial portion of text where I elaborated on the impact of APR on individual players and teams as a whole, along with the reasons for frequently evaluating APR to reach conclusions... but F-it, I won't include that in here as we're getting way ahead with all of this.

Regarding yourself, I would hope that next time you'd refrain from immediately resorting to insults - either before or after a discussion. The simple reason behind this is that if we were to consistently insult each other, then such conversations would become a cycle of insults without any constructive engagement – which defeats the purpose of meaningful interaction. I tend to believe that when someone engages in a dialogue, it's likely because they're curious to learn about some information or knowledge they might have missed, right? Now imagine I am saying all of this considering the fact that you haven't presented anything substantial to counter the point of mine; instead, you appear to lack a substantial depth - but who am I kidding here... as you would never read to this point, so whatever BS I wrote... -> LMAO

Oh, and nearly overlooked the following --> it's worth mentioning that I haven't claimed to be complete correct in my observations either, but kudos to you for raising some interesting points? Gday 😘

#39
FluffyRhino4
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Oh my allat

#22
Asuna_Yuuki
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Haha

Crashies was MUCH better than ardiis this year

#23
Brimstan
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in what? being ass?

#30
Asuna_Yuuki
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No

Crashies was our best player in LOCK IN and Americas

He underperformed towards the end of Tokyo and him and Victor were the only players I gelt that showed up in Champions

#24
GreyDaze
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Lol no

#29
Asuna_Yuuki
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No

Crashies was our best player in LOCK IN and Americas

He underperformed towards the end of Tokyo and him and Victor were the only players I gelt that showed up in Champions

#25
Moiraine
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Crashies was godawful and getting away with it because of brandead idiots like you

#28
Asuna_Yuuki
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No

Crashies was our best player in LOCK IN and Americas

He underperformed towards the end of Tokyo and him and Victor were the only players I gelt that showed up in Champions

#31
yaiima0
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Austin owns u lil bro

#38
Moiraine
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I own u lil bro

#27
The_Illusionist
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LArdiss

#32
dezzo
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Ardiis was literally the worst player on NRG, idk how people don’t understand that. Bro was a one trick chamber (way worse than Yay) and now only gets useless kills that will boost his stats, istg he baits all his teammates for kills

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