About FPX situation

So.
At Champions teams that had player with covid played in pracc rooms, right? This LANs events already without crowd and at champions sometimes even without players on stage.
What if games against FPX will be played in the same way?
Teams that come from another region gonna play from Reykjavik pracc room vs FPX on Riot's online servers(not on LAN) like if it's was online event. Production will just show players webcams on stage like they did in Champions.
People first of all want to see really good games than big empty stage, dont ya agree with me?

UPD:
Thank you archetype for explaining exactly what I'm wrong about.
Dont write anything in this thread to not bring it up again, this topic is closed, i dont want to have notifications from this thread as well.
Have a good day

I thought they couldnt come due to travel restrictions not covid

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gamingtaming [#2]

I thought they couldnt come due to travel restrictions not covid

situations with covid here just for example, did you read the other part of text?

as much as i love fpx this is just ridiculous

But the problem will be fpx will get high ping over 80 i think so and others teams will get 10-40

fadezis [#4]

situations with covid here just for example, did you read the other part of text?

yeah i read on and realised, mb.

Having some games played online and some on LAN will compromise competitive integrity

drugsellernearyou [#5]

as much as i love fpx this is just ridiculous

so ur point is players shouldn't play just because they cant play on the server with 0 ping, right? Otherwise i dont understand what make the differences for riot's online and lan events, there are no crowds and sometimes even players not on the stage

GENZAMAN1235 [#6]

But the problem will be fpx will get high ping over 80 i think so and others teams will get 10-40

at least they will play?

Playing online introduces a lot of factors and possible bugs/complications that are hard to foresee and prepare for. It also messes up the fair playing field as Valorant's netcode works better on low ping.

fadezis [#9]

so ur point is players shouldn't play just because they cant play on the server with 0 ping, right? Otherwise i dont understand what make the differences for riot's online and lan events, there are no crowds and sometimes even players not on the stage

thats not what i mean,liquid probably have their visas/in the process of getting them and theyve also announced that liquid will take their place,also the ping situation,assuming they play in russia their gonna get really high ping.It just doesnt make sense to change this right now after they announced liquids replacement

dexter000111 [#8]

Having some games played online and some on LAN will compromise competitive integrity

but its' ok for emea where turkish players have peeker advantage, kinda double standards

drugsellernearyou [#12]

thats not what i mean,liquid probably have their visas/in the process of getting them and theyve also announced that liquid will take their place,also the ping situation,assuming they play in russia their gonna get really high ping.It just doesnt make sense to change this right now after they announced liquids replacement

sure

archetype [#11]

Playing online introduces a lot of factors and possible bugs/complications that are hard to foresee and prepare for. It also messes up the fair playing field as Valorant's netcode works better on low ping.

i think they can find compromise server if they wanted it. frankfurt or stokhgolm

It's a LAN

fadezis [#15]

i think they can find compromise server if they wanted it. frankfurt or stokhgolm

maybe, but unless it's a private server that's excluded from the public servers other teams play on then there's going to be instability issues. the ping itself is the biggest problem really, it has chances of messing up the games and ruining fair play.

GENZAMAN1235 [#6]

But the problem will be fpx will get high ping over 80 i think so and others teams will get 10-40

for both sides gonna be ~40-50 ms i think
https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Frankfurt/Reykjavik
https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Frankfurt/St%20Petersburg

fadezis [#9]

so ur point is players shouldn't play just because they cant play on the server with 0 ping, right? Otherwise i dont understand what make the differences for riot's online and lan events, there are no crowds and sometimes even players not on the stage

The thing is though it’s not the same. When they did the virtual team rooms with the cameras, they were still at Iceland, so the ping (even tho online) was still very low. But they can’t travel to Iceland and as such would be playing on 70-80 ping minimum. It’s rly unfortunate what happened to them but I don’t see Online matched for FPX being feasible.

fadezis [#13]

but its' ok for emea where turkish players have peeker advantage, kinda double standards

International LAN >> Local qualifiers.

You need to actually be really good to even take advantage of high ping.

You can't expect an average plat to use peeker's advantage. Even pros cannot exploit it correctly.

That is why people like Xantares got popular cause they refined this skill.

The international tournament is at a much higher level. I don't think I need to elaborate any further.

The only solution would be to change the place where LAN is being held... which is almost impossible in a given time frame and would cancel many other teams' protocols, flights and it would definitely be unfair towards all the other teams who have all prepped to go there already.
I understand you are sad, as we are, that we won't see a champion contender on LAN, but the FPX themselves said it, it's something they cannot solve no matter how Riot approached this problem.

fadezis [#13]

but its' ok for emea where turkish players have peeker advantage, kinda double standards

That’s just a result of the scale of Europe and teams wanting to stay in their home countries. NA has like 100 ping from one side to the other but they all compete together because they go to Dallas etc to compete. Same with EU, just some teams decide to play with the penalty

archetype [#17]

maybe, but unless it's a private server that's excluded from the public servers other teams play on then there's going to be instability issues. the ping itself is the biggest problem really, it has chances of messing up the games and ruining fair play.

don't really understand about what instability issues you talking bro. Maybe there was a misunderstanding. I am talking about emea servers where teams played emea playoffs. There wasn't any instability issues

doosean [#21]

The only solution would be to change the place where LAN is being held... which is almost impossible in a given time frame and would cancel many other teams' protocols, flights and it would definitely be unfair towards all the other teams who have all prepped to go there already.
I understand you are sad, as we are, that we won't see a champion contender on LAN, but the FPX themselves said it, it's something they cannot solve no matter how Riot approached this problem.

yeah i wrote this on high unfair feeling

Ye, I agree with you. I think it was possible to find a solution to this problem, but apparently there was no time for that. So, I hope that fpx will come back stronger and become world champions this year ofc <3
I believe that after going through all these trials, they will finally get what they deserve for a long time.

BelgianSausage [#22]

That’s just a result of the scale of Europe and teams wanting to stay in their home countries. NA has like 100 ping from one side to the other but they all compete together because they go to Dallas etc to compete. Same with EU, just some teams decide to play with the penalty

didnt knew part about na, ty

BelgianSausage [#19]

The thing is though it’s not the same. When they did the virtual team rooms with the cameras, they were still at Iceland, so the ping (even tho online) was still very low. But they can’t travel to Iceland and as such would be playing on 70-80 ping minimum. It’s rly unfortunate what happened to them but I don’t see Online matched for FPX being feasible.

*Berlin
yeah ik that teams played on LAN servers
not on 70-80 ping btw if they would play on frankfurt for example, but ok
https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Frankfurt/Reykjavik
https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Frankfurt/St%20Petersburg

fadezis [#10]

at least they will play?

No point of playing. It just makes the event more horrible. Plus RIOT has no way of monitoring the players from all angles as they play at home. The cheating probability is high. The better option is to eliminate them no matter who they are.

fadezis [#23]

don't really understand about what instability issues you talking bro. Maybe there was a misunderstanding. I am talking about emea servers where teams played emea playoffs. There wasn't any instability issues

if they play on servers outside of the private one at Reykjavik they need technicians and logistics to communicate with the guys running the server at Frankfurt or wherever FPX is playing on. That being an external server outside of the immediate control of TOs at Iceland means that if any technical issues were to arise it's going to be a lot more difficult to fix. Just because a server has not had issues before does not mean it will never have issues in future too. You don't run a tournament on assumptions like that. You need contingencies.

If you wanna see what happens when Riot tries to run pseudo-LANs, take a look at the shitshow that was NA LCQ.

VirajKnight [#28]

No point of playing. It just makes the event more horrible. Plus RIOT has no way of monitoring the players from all angles as they play at home. The cheating probability is high. The better option is to eliminate them no matter who they are.

wdym "The cheating probability is high"
Players are playing online events also without moderators behind their backs but riot trust them and in their anticheat .-.

Imo they shouldve went with 2 more subs for Shao and Angel. The whole “ardiis covid” thing seems such a stretch and just another excuse to make the whole thing seem more complicated than it actually was. Hes going to be more than fine by the time he needs to be. I hope that for the future events, if they still cant take russian and ukranian players out, that maybe they host the event in poland or helsinki and find a compromise where the players play online. Its just not fair right now

archetype [#29]

if they play on servers outside of the private one at Reykjavik they need technicians and logistics to communicate with the guys running the server at Frankfurt or wherever FPX is playing on. That being an external server outside of the immediate control of TOs at Iceland means that if any technical issues were to arise it's going to be a lot more difficult to fix. Just because a server has not had issues before does not mean it will never have issues in future too. You don't run a tournament on assumptions like that. You need contingencies.

If you wanna see what happens when Riot tries to run pseudo-LANs, take a look at the shitshow that was NA LCQ.

now i get your point, its make sense

fadezis [#30]

wdym "The cheating probability is high"
Players are playing online events also without moderators behind their backs but riot trust them and in their anticheat .-.

This is an international event. No event organization takes that risk.

fadezis [#18]

for both sides gonna be ~40-50 ms i think
https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Frankfurt/Reykjavik
https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Frankfurt/St%20Petersburg

Are you trolling?

GLN321 [#31]

Imo they shouldve went with 2 more subs for Shao and Angel. The whole “ardiis covid” thing seems such a stretch and just another excuse to make the whole thing seem more complicated than it actually was. Hes going to be more than fine by the time he needs to be. I hope that for the future events, if they still cant take russian and ukranian players out, that maybe they host the event in poland or helsinki and find a compromise where the players play online. Its just not fair right now

1. ardiis really have covid
2. 3/6 players of fpx are russians and ukranian and if 3 or more cant play its not count as the same team

fadezis [#32]

now i get your point, its make sense

Happy to help!

6vine [#34]

Are you trolling?

whats wrong here

fadezis [#35]

1. ardiis really have covid
2. 3/6 players of fpx are russians and ukranian and if 3 or more cant play its not count as the same team

1- Its not about him having covid now. Its about him having covid for when he needs to fly, which he probably wont.
2- Riot themselves have said that they were willing to make exceptions to the “sub rule” for fpx, although it couldnt happen still + baddyg has been playing for fpx so long hes basically part of the team. I think the 3 players thing is not relevant if they could still be majority fpx (ardiis, zyppan, baddyg + 2 subs)

GLN321 [#31]

Imo they shouldve went with 2 more subs for Shao and Angel. The whole “ardiis covid” thing seems such a stretch and just another excuse to make the whole thing seem more complicated than it actually was. Hes going to be more than fine by the time he needs to be. I hope that for the future events, if they still cant take russian and ukranian players out, that maybe they host the event in poland or helsinki and find a compromise where the players play online. Its just not fair right now

Suygetsu, shao and ange1

hekzy [#39]

Suygetsu, shao and ange1

Yeah forgot about suygetsu but baddyg basically takes up a spot anyway

fadezis [#37]

whats wrong here

It's called "LAN" for a reason. As dexter said it'd compromise competitive integrity and there's no chance riot would let that happen.

GLN321 [#38]

1- Its not about him having covid now. Its about him having covid for when he needs to fly, which he probably wont.
2- Riot themselves have said that they were willing to make exceptions to the “sub rule” for fpx, although it couldnt happen still + baddyg has been playing for fpx so long hes basically part of the team. I think the 3 players thing is not relevant if they could still be majority fpx (ardiis, zyppan, baddyg + 2 subs)

yeah sure, ardiis should be already good in 2 weeks + fpx had extraweek because they are already in playoffs
first time hearing about exceptions to the “sub rule” by riot, but if its true its fucking sucks

6vine [#41]

It's called "LAN" for a reason. As dexter said it'd compromise competitive integrity and there's no chance riot would let that happen.

ok

GLN321 [#40]

Yeah forgot about suygetsu but baddyg basically takes up a spot anyway

baddyG is already a standin. This will mean they will have 3 standins. Which is really really stupid, they won't even be the same team.

fadezis [#18]

for both sides gonna be ~40-50 ms i think
https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Frankfurt/Reykjavik
https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Frankfurt/St%20Petersburg

Im from rito, we will reconsider and let fpx play just because you are making such good arguments. Liquid is not going. Sorry, scream :/

hekzy [#44]

baddyG is already a standin. This will mean they will have 3 standins. Which is really really stupid, they won't even be the same team.

baddyg has been with fpx for the better half of their vct run, he's been fundamental to their success. Riot themselves have said they were willing to relax the emergency substitute rules so It wouldn't have mattered anyway

local area network... thats all

Just have then auto qualled into next lan

fadezis [#4]

situations with covid here just for example, did you read the other part of text?

wouldn't bring as much attention and viewer ship. They don't want to get political.

GENZAMAN1235 [#6]

But the problem will be fpx will get high ping over 80 i think so and others teams will get 10-40

No they won't. You get around 55-60ping to the closest server from Reykjavik. So, the matchup would be kinda fair since both team would have high ping and from integrity standpoint it would be the most sensible decision.

6vine [#41]

It's called "LAN" for a reason. As dexter said it'd compromise competitive integrity and there's no chance riot would let that happen.

Both teams playing on similar ping compromises the integrity but kicking out the best seeded/favorite team for no fault of their own doesn't compromise the integrity? sure, bud.

travel restrictions

SaltyMcNulty [#51]

Both teams playing on similar ping compromises the integrity but kicking out the best seeded/favorite team for no fault of their own doesn't compromise the integrity? sure, bud.

Bait?

fadezis [#27]

*Berlin
yeah ik that teams played on LAN servers
not on 70-80 ping btw if they would play on frankfurt for example, but ok
https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Frankfurt/Reykjavik
https://wondernetwork.com/pings/Frankfurt/St%20Petersburg

bro we get it u rly like FPX u dont have to comment passive aggressive shit under every post that just acknowledge how unfair and shit the situation is. There's no way they are gonna have a LAN event and then put teams over anything less than 10 ping. Situation sucks but it is what it is

Flumplestiltski [#54]

bro we get it u rly like FPX u dont have to comment passive aggressive shit under every post that just acknowledge how unfair and shit the situation is. There's no way they are gonna have a LAN event and then put teams over anything less than 10 ping. Situation sucks but it is what it is

chill.
i wrote it under high unfair feeling. i know that im wrong, so?
read next time all thread before upping 1 more time, ok? ( #24 and #32 )
don't answer me don't want have notifications from this topic again
have a good day

GLN321 [#46]

baddyg has been with fpx for the better half of their vct run, he's been fundamental to their success. Riot themselves have said they were willing to relax the emergency substitute rules so It wouldn't have mattered anyway

that's like 1 month though??? anyway idk what type of cope this is but 3 members are missing the team will be completely different

hekzy [#56]

that's like 1 month though??? anyway idk what type of cope this is but 3 members are missing the team will be completely different

did you even read the second part, where I actually made the point why they could've brought two stand in players?

GLN321 [#57]

did you even read the second part, where I actually made the point why they could've brought two stand in players?

what does it matter whether they are allowed to play? thats irrelevant to the fact that the team is halved.

GLN321 [#57]

did you even read the second part, where I actually made the point why they could've brought two stand in players?

the problem is not riot restricting them. it's them not even being close to resembling the original team so it wouldn't even matter going.

hekzy [#58]

what does it matter whether they are allowed to play? thats irrelevant to the fact that the team is halved.

it matters because them being able to play or not is the whole point of this thread?

hekzy [#59]

the problem is not riot restricting them. it's them not even being close to resembling the original team so it wouldn't even matter going.

how is 2 players + a player that's helped them throughout most of the group stage and all play offs not good enough? Compromises are going to be made anyways, imo this is more fair than sending a team that doesn't deserve to be there

fadezis [#14]

sure

Bruh tell your president to not have a war, no one would stop you

GLN321 [#61]

how is 2 players + a player that's helped them throughout most of the group stage and all play offs not good enough? Compromises are going to be made anyways, imo this is more fair than sending a team that doesn't deserve to be there

because they are only going to be 2.5/5 out of the original team? icant believe im wasting time explaining this. ask the players if they'd like to compete with a random mix instead of their team

hekzy [#63]

because they are only going to be 2.5/5 out of the original team? icant believe im wasting time explaining this. ask the players if they'd like to compete with a random mix instead of their team

I'm 100% sure the players would love to go to iceland even if that meant playing with different players.

pra_wiiin [#62]

Bruh tell your president to not have a war, no one would stop you

You said "no one would stop you"?
lmao

bruh

fadezis [#42]

yeah sure, ardiis should be already good in 2 weeks + fpx had extraweek because they are already in playoffs
first time hearing about exceptions to the “sub rule” by riot, but if its true its fucking sucks

I think it just follows the core rule. If there are more than 2 subs playing atm or players switched, it's not the same roster, because you need the majority, or 3 to consider it the core of the roster. If the core isn't there, both vlr rankings and riot consider it to not be the same team. Ardiis, Ange1 and baddyg are just taking each other spots right now depending on the game (because of covid, or personal things). Also Shao and suygetsu may need to be subbed too because of the sanction against Russia. Now, with that in mind, 4 spots on the roster are subject to switching out. If only zyppan is able to play at Reykjavik without any worry of needing to sub out, that's less than the core 3. So basically there's no core rn that can go without any issues so they can't consider it the same roster.