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Isolated regions

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#1
StockfishZ

SA and OCE are a great example why being an isolated region is a big disadvantage, you can't scrim with other regions easily also your playing fields and tactic only develops around your region and it will take tons of time for them to get used to other regions

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Thunder1
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They should just move out and scrim with Kr team

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guNKiller
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yes...GE tried to do this cz they already had a bootcamp in kr before....idk why it got cancelled

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OzyMeister
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DRX was in berlin when they wanted to bootcamp in KR and rest KR scene was quite scrambled at the same time

#32
queueK
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lmfao that would be a stupid decision.

there's like 4 teams in Korea that are good

#35
guNKiller
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and they are better than sea teams

#36
W_Hold
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Bonk

#49
Darkstratus
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bro even for vlr this is a shit take

#46
jimjam789
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didnt prx benkai say scrimming vs drx literally contributed to their performance in vct lmao. (same with TS dupstep he also said drx were such a challenge and helped them learn a lot)

#47
queueK
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My point was that there aren't enough teams in Korea to warrant moving there. DRX is definitely worth scrimming, and the other top teams in Korea are too. However, with such a small number of highly skilled teams the scrims may not be as efficient, especially because the only other option is JP teams (which allegedly tend not to scrim SEA teams).

On the other hand, from SEA, it's possible to scrim against Korean teams on like, ~50 ping, which is entirely playable. And, from SEA, it's possible to play against dozens of other great SEA teams with a much larger variety of playstyles on lower ping.

I wanted to point out that moving to KR may actually have a negative impact in the long-run, compared to another nearby region.

#53
KoreanOverlord
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bruh you are so pepega

just cause you move to korea doesnt mean you only scrim korean teams

korea is literally next to japan and sea, you can scrim every SEA team from there with max 40 ping

SA and OCE 70 ping

#57
Hasbulla
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OCE 100 ping*

#75
queueK
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never intended to imply that - I may have worded my other response badly.

I think it'd be more realistic to move to SEA (where they'd be playing either way) which has a much wider pool of T1 teams they could scrim on like 0-30 ping AND the option to scrim SA/KR/OCE teams on playable-ish (60-90) ping.

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levia09
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okay if there aren't enough teams in Korea now explain how xerxia become good because they ONLY scrim with KR, HK, JP ?? the team become one step ahead from other SEA teams and beat envy because they are scrims with 4 good teams? ofc not LOL, they get adventages by moving there if not maybe vietnam is geographically better and cheaper for the org

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bambamskrrt
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glad bonkers said they're up for a relocation, so I hope some sea org pick them up. (but if they're playing from sea how they gonna compete in VOT??)

#38
xaboff
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they could just compete in the vct of the country they will be staying in. vct is residency rather that nationality based

#4
Femly
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at least OCE put up a fight

#8
Thunder1
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This guys only watch the scoreline nothing else

#26
guNKiller
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no he just hates india

#62
Femly
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ratio + I love india

such a beautiful country and so many clean rivers

#27
Femly
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should I watch gameplay and aim instead?

because both were terrible

#41
bandwagondestroyer
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indians literally live rent free in singaporeans heads lmao

#61
Femly
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not really

#50
yaiima0
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Ratio + India owns u

#58
Hasbulla
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Yes please and come back with evidence of bad aim. I will reply to you with even more evidence in less then half the time it takes you and a smaller sample size, I guarantee it

#60
Femly
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did you even watch the game?

#63
Hasbulla
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Yes, but its not as bad as you are making it out to be. Anyway, where is evidence??

#65
Hasbulla
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This isn't evidence brother. Try again

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Rachit
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That's definitely the case see how in 1 weeks time VLT prepared for FS and SBE and gave a good fight atleast if they will get the chance to scrim no kappa they can be better same goes for OCE

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riot should put another server in between SA and SEA somewhere like chennai or bangkok so that they wont have to deal with ping issues if they want to scrim against SEA teams. Same with OCE and SEA put a server somewhere in eastern indonesia idk if they have the infrastructure there but it would be good for OCE teams

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Chennai server is not needed tbh SA is not only India but its got teams from Afg Pak in the far west too ALSO all India teams can relocate to Chennai (32ping) to scrim against SEA teams but they wont coz they wanna play from comfort of their hometown bootcamp in mumbai as all friends and family are here also they're suffering from SEN syndrome the org gets decent money from South Asian streaming scene that they're getting complacent when it comes to pro scene

#15
I2k2
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two server in one country is possible.🙂

#16
OzyMeister
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its not needed whatsoever is what I'm saying

#18
Rachit
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There's a need of players too you just can't install server like anything..anywhere

#34
Hidden_Name
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rather put up a server in north india rather than in chennai just for these 'pro teams' to scrim lmao

#17
Thunder1
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org dont even earn money from a streamer streaming

#23
Rachit
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It's not about the money VLT's owner is rich enough I mean he has a 50 million dollar company running

#25
OzyMeister
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org has other CCs and does merch / NFTs and shit is what im saying (they have huge following here )also org owner has Ferrari 812sf and is hella rich so its not about the money its just that the team doesn't want it bad enough to improve as most will retire and start streaming soon and earn decent

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KssS
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then wouldnt a chennai server be helpful for those living in mumbai or new delhi? and lets be real here the only competitive SA teams are all indian teams they could scrim a lot of SEA teams without moving from their hometown for better ping.

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it would be 200% better but like I said they're like SEN of India (all set when it comes to making the bank through streaming and Content creation even if they keep being dogshit outside India) also Mumbai to Chennai is like California to Texas as SenTenz describes it, Nothing to do in Chennai meanwhile Mumbai has got everything like legit everything

#71
sueYA
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L take chennai has almost everything mumbai has plus if chennai servers do get started then its not just south Indians but a large number of bangladeshi and eastern Indians can also play there, it will also give decent ping to all SEA players, it can be something similar to sg2 server but accessible to SA as well

#74
OzyMeister
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you must be joking when you said Chennai has almost everything Mumbai has xD
sure eastern Indians and Bangladeshis can play on Chennai server but what about Pakistanis and northern Indian states?

#76
sueYA
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they have bahrain+mumbai but for the higher elo players both bahrain and mumbai isnt a very viable option, irdk what alternative we can provide them, and yes chennai does have everything for a gaming/esports team that mumbai has

#77
OzyMeister
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north Indians can't play Bahrain servers and the thread wasn't about additional server
its either Chennai or Mumbai. India is never getting more servers unless valo grows a lot
also its not what a gaming team wants its what the players want their personal needs and so forth
Mumbai has got better food better contacts to Indian esports Industry and the content creators its also got much more western culture and night life etc meanwhile Chennai is quite conservative also Mumbai is the only truly cosmopolitan city in India where you can find people from all corners of India meanwhile most people in Chennai wont even speak Hindi even if they know Hindi so hell bent on speaking English or Tamil

#31
Vasudev
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BRO north INDIANS lIke me need Delhi server (Mumbai is quite far for us :( @Riotgames help
i get 60-70 ping { my mubai friends getting 34

#37
OzyMeister
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bro 70ping means your ISP is bad Delhi to Mumbai is like 30ping

#56
Meghnad
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Change your ISP

#66
wizardbot
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Your isp isnt good then. I live in Jharkhand and I get 28-32 ping in Mumbai server

#72
sueYA
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change your isp, I'm from kerala and I get 30 ping to mumbai although I dont play much on mumbai, and 50-55 to SG as well

#42
YAYE
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yeah I doubt eastern Indonesia will be a good server, blackouts are still really common in the Java island (for the most part), just imagine how more common blackouts are in other parts of Indonesia kekw (and yes their infrastructure is also not quite as developed as the Java island)

#7
Slashyiguess
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which sea countries can scrim with krjp? I think that's a big advantage

#10
StockfishZ
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I think every SEA teams can scrim against then with decent to bad pings

#13
BaDa
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SEA teams do scrim against krjp. they will play with about 40-50 ping if I'm not mistaken since nth scrimmed with TS

#21
KssS
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SEA teams can scrim KRJP teams. KRJP have decent ping towards HK servers

#22
peanutchin
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philippines can for sure, Dubstep talked about it once

#44
BLJY
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im pretty sure sea teams do scrim with kr and jp teams just on worse ping

#48
simp_slayertt
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I think its decent ping for both kr/jp and SEA team on hongkong server ?

#9
I2k2
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Yeah, they plays on big ping disadvantage. Like Pakistan plays on 70+ ping. LAN is only the solution for this problem.

#11
Klause
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I think vlt planned to move to sgp in 2022 ; i guess

#14
Rachit
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No they will not it's a small gamble if they relocate to SG they will get high ping for local Indian tournaments its vice-versa

#19
StockfishZ
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Even if they do, i would say they need to move in couples of day after vcc next time

#29
Carthage_Er_Pola
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Wdym SA is isolated mf we get 50-70 ping in Singapore one lmao, SA teams can scrim SEA teams all they want. The only real isolated region is OCE cause they can't scrim without severe ping disadvantage

#30
Unsicklaupedy
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We practice with the best teams in the world but we still can't get to their level

#33
Carthage_Er_Pola
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BBL beat world champs tho

#39
Unsicklaupedy
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Beating them once doesn't mean we're on the same level as them.
we are not consistent
and we can only be good at a tournament if we're lucky

#40
A_Silent_Fart
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so are all other regions

#54
Nakao
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KR/JPN/CN = kinda near
EU/CIS/TR/MENA = kinda near
BR/LAS = near
NA/LAN = near
OCE/SEA/SA = ?

#59
KoreanOverlord
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more like
KR/CN/SEA near

While Japan and SA our further but still near, cant scrim all teams

and OCE is on another continent

#79
Nakao
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yeah, but can't Indonesia and Philippines play against OCE teams? They're really close to each other actually.
JPN can scrim against KR teams, but not with all CN teams and can't against SA teams, while SA can scrim against CN teams, some KR teams and can't against JPN teams.

#78
A_Silent_Fart
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this post refers to intercontinental scrims and i wanted to say its all the same for every region except eu/ cis. The post says if SEA teams have to get better , they need to scrim with really good teams first (outside SA) and they can adapt to theirs too. But in the hindsight its the same for every other region except eu and cis. Like na cant do with eu and eu cant do with kr

#80
Nakao
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that's true, I think Riot should create more international tournaments, maybe an ESL or Blast?

#68
_necromancer_
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Riot may introduce something like ping buffer, for example, there are ten players in the lobby, the average ping of all players is something around 40-45 and the lowest ping of 1 or more player is less than 15 so adding buffer in the connection between the client and server would give the high ping players a stage of fair gameplay, this may help isolated regions very much ig

#69
OzyMeister
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stop clowning

#70
_necromancer_
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-_-

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