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kyro1

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heres my top 15 list

lukxo
something
erde
Asuna
N4RRATE
trexx
kangkang
trent
iZu
keiko
Chronicle
valyn
mada
nAts
slowly

HM: brawk, dambi, cryo, francis, f0rsaken, zhe

form based ranking btw i dont think asuna is top 4 player

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an iq too high?

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kyro1

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thx

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man valyn has been super out of form lately

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kyro1

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true but honestly you could say that about everyone on g2 besides trent

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mada in a form based rating, balright, and how is Izu there but not the others.

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t1 without izu is bottom 4 apac

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if you replaced Izu with governor they would win champs

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🥀

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kyro1

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we talking this governor?
https://www.vlr.gg/296731/team-secret-vs-talon-esports-champions-tour-2024-pacific-kickoff-opening-b

or this governor?
https://www.vlr.gg/459845/team-vitality-vs-apeks-champions-tour-2025-emea-stage-1-w4

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GovernorGlazer

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That ascent game might be the best moment of my life

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lol something but not francis and dambi also no patmen or udo is ridiculous u truly have a emea bias

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kyro1

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i love francis but hes inconsistent and dambis weakness is his agent pool which is the whole reason they lost the split to ge

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Yap.
Kamo was easily the 2nd if not best player in EMEA this stage. I am a nAts glazer but there is 0 chance, nAts should be here over Kamo (they both should be but if I had to pick a tl player, kamo)

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kyro1

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did u watch the eternal fire match?

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dimmed

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Did u watch TL vs FUT? Also like ofc nAts farmed vs EF but Kamo did as well on lotus

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kyro1

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nats didnt play in the eternal fire match LOOOOOL

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Caught

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omg I mixed up EF and FF

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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO reported for manslaughter

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OceanB

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Replace anyone below n4rrate from Cryo and I will be happy
Also kamo needs to be on this list, replace valyn ig

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catNmouse

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xavi or udo is here surely, i would have buzz in hm hes in good form

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31Raven

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no he isnt
bro had 2 good games and ppl putting him on their top 15

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catNmouse

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literally who are you talking about

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31Raven

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xavi, the only person on ur post before u edited it

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catNmouse

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oh right, either way why shouldn’t he be in the top 5? he’s in great form right now and is one of the biggest reasons why ge won their region

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kyro1

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i would put probably all of t1 on this list before thinking about ge also personally i think kr1stal is their best player

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catNmouse

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kr1stal is good no doubt but he has a lower floor than the rest of his teammates which hurts him

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kyro1

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best kj player itw and then his sova is poop but he is the biggest reason for them winning games or maps against opponents better than them consistently

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nats below BA LIN and injury mada??
its not even yap u just moving ur mouth

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kyro1

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injury mada? we acting like bro is not gonna be able to hold a mouse anymore lol

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nats still clears him
injury or no injury

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kyro1

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i fw nats bro but he hasnt made it out of groups in 3 years

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so do u deny his individual skill? because trexx is up there

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catNmouse

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trexx only made it out of groups once and it was at a 8 team tournament, feels kinda unfair to put him way higher than kamo or nAts

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kyro1

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im biased i think trexx is the best scan itw

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now u are saying some good takes

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2 pacific players? mada and chronicle over francis dambi patmen xavi?? how do u not put a single player from the top2 of apac

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kyro1

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i dont rate any of ge
prx are out of form heading into the event
t1 is only here because of izu
ns best players are inconsistent

but i agree it does feel wrong only having 2 from the best mechanical region

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lyssss

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why would u not rate any of ge? thats like saying u dont rate any from 100T or KC it sounds insane

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W list

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Definitely yap but I still respect it

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I think we are criminally underrating Dambi and Francis.

We thought like this going into Santiago, and it turned out to be the most dominant win at a global event ever.

Also, Brawk too low. 4th highest Initiator (01/01/2025 - Current)

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kyro1

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i had nongshim winning the event i was not one of the restarted ones

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I think we should be terrified of Nongshim rn. Especially with Abyss back in the pool and Yoru increasing in pickrates

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kyro1

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nongshim are world class on 3/7 maps and the other 4 they could lose to jdg and i wouldnt bat an eye