Is Jokic top 10 all time already? 3 time MVP, 8x All-Star & All-NBA, 1 Ring & Finals MVP during that run
He definitely has the accolades to have a good argument for it, the only argument i've heard against it is recency bias of him not making a finals run every single year
bro no, it's largely the same as shai
think about it like this, find a few top 10 lists online and look at their accomplishments, most won't have exactly the same people, but 1-13ish will be around the same
now make your own personal top 10 from those players
who the hell is getting kicked out? jokic, or shai, or giannis, etc. etc. etc. just aren't there yet, the top 10 all time in the nba is a different caliber
just needs more time
shesh_ [#2]bro no, it's largely the same as shai
think about it like this, find a few top 10 lists online and look at their accomplishments, most won't have exactly the same people, but 1-13ish will be around the same
now make your own personal top 10 from those players
who the hell is getting kicked out? jokic, or shai, or giannis, etc. etc. etc. just aren't there yet, the top 10 all time in the nba is a different caliber
just needs more time
(this is my personal top 10)
I think that Kobe is incredibly overrated purely off the fact that people think he was some type of "work ethics beast" because he was a dick to everyone around him and was one of the biggest factors behind Shaq leaving Los Angeles.
twigster001 [#4](this is my personal top 10)
- LeBron James
- Michael Jordan
- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
- Magic Johnson
- Larry Bird
- Bill Russell
- Wilt Chamberlain
- Tim Duncan
- Shaquille O'Neal
- Stephen Curry
- Nikola Jokic
- Kobe Bryant
I think that Kobe is incredibly overrated purely off the fact that people think he was some type of "work ethics beast" because he was a dick to everyone around him and was one of the biggest factors behind Shaq leaving Los Angeles.
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY GOAT WARDELL 30?!?!?!
soapzerra [#5]WHERE THE FUCK IS MY GOAT WARDELL 30?!?!?!
fuck you're right
um
10 is wardell
11 is jokic
12 is kobe
twigster001 [#6]fuck you're right
um
10 is wardell
11 is jokic
12 is kobe
Curry clears bird ngl and i personally take him over magic, whos is your all time starting 5
soapzerra [#7]Curry clears bird ngl and i personally take him over magic, whos is your all time starting 5
i think that the concept of an all time starting 5 is kinda dumb considering the fact that the players today are infinitely better than people like 50 years ago but if i had to have one it would look like this:
PG: Curry
SG: MJ
SF: LBJ
PF: Tim Duncan
C: Shaq
twigster001 [#4](this is my personal top 10)
- LeBron James
- Michael Jordan
- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
- Magic Johnson
- Larry Bird
- Bill Russell
- Wilt Chamberlain
- Tim Duncan
- Shaquille O'Neal
- Stephen Curry
- Nikola Jokic
- Kobe Bryant
I think that Kobe is incredibly overrated purely off the fact that people think he was some type of "work ethics beast" because he was a dick to everyone around him and was one of the biggest factors behind Shaq leaving Los Angeles.
Kobe has the most overrated and inflated legacy in NBA history
twigster001 [#4](this is my personal top 10)
- LeBron James
- Michael Jordan
- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
- Magic Johnson
- Larry Bird
- Bill Russell
- Wilt Chamberlain
- Tim Duncan
- Shaquille O'Neal
- Stephen Curry
- Nikola Jokic
- Kobe Bryant
I think that Kobe is incredibly overrated purely off the fact that people think he was some type of "work ethics beast" because he was a dick to everyone around him and was one of the biggest factors behind Shaq leaving Los Angeles.
little nitpick is that i'd have hakeem above him still but that's personal bias i suppose
this looks pretty much agreeable to me (not the order of the top 10, just the contents) and i'd have kobe even lower tbh, i think his career is super overrated
jokic is close, much closer than shai on top of it
twigster001 [#4](this is my personal top 10)
- LeBron James
- Michael Jordan
- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
- Magic Johnson
- Larry Bird
- Bill Russell
- Wilt Chamberlain
- Tim Duncan
- Shaquille O'Neal
- Stephen Curry
- Nikola Jokic
- Kobe Bryant
I think that Kobe is incredibly overrated purely off the fact that people think he was some type of "work ethics beast" because he was a dick to everyone around him and was one of the biggest factors behind Shaq leaving Los Angeles.
tim duncan is 3rd all time but yall aint ready for that conversation
I_LOVE_LESS [#11]tim duncan is 3rd all time but yall aint ready for that conversation
4 bruh give kareem some respect he clears wilt magic russel and bird tho don't @ me tho
shesh_ [#12]4 bruh give kareem some respect he clears wilt magic russel and bird tho don't @ me tho
nah i have timmy 3rd and kareem 4
timmy is the most valuable player you could ever have on ur team, brings no ego, leadership, buckets, defense, dude can do everything u need from a 4 or 5 and does it better than almost everyone else. plus has the best winrate of any nba superstar
I_LOVE_LESS [#13]nah i have timmy 3rd and kareem 4
timmy is the most valuable player you could ever have on ur team, brings no ego, leadership, buckets, defense, dude can do everything u need from a 4 or 5 and does it better than almost everyone else. plus has the best winrate of any nba superstar
my heart beckons me to say yes but my brain says no
shesh_ [#10]little nitpick is that i'd have hakeem above him still but that's personal bias i suppose
this looks pretty much agreeable to me (not the order of the top 10, just the contents) and i'd have kobe even lower tbh, i think his career is super overrated
jokic is close, much closer than shai on top of it
and i'd have kobe even lower tbh, i think his career is super overrated
ok cmon bro, he still got 5 rings as a superstar
Yistyy [#15]and i'd have kobe even lower tbh, i think his career is super overrated
ok cmon bro, he still got 5 rings as a superstar
yeah i just hate him it's not really warranted more of a personal thing
twigster001 [#4](this is my personal top 10)
- LeBron James
- Michael Jordan
- Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
- Magic Johnson
- Larry Bird
- Bill Russell
- Wilt Chamberlain
- Tim Duncan
- Shaquille O'Neal
- Stephen Curry
- Nikola Jokic
- Kobe Bryant
I think that Kobe is incredibly overrated purely off the fact that people think he was some type of "work ethics beast" because he was a dick to everyone around him and was one of the biggest factors behind Shaq leaving Los Angeles.
No Hakeem?
Champe [#9]Kobe has the most overrated and inflated legacy in NBA history
people talk about mamba mentality like it wasn't him being a horribly toxic person to everyone around him
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