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Why NA only 2 slots?

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#1
valulrantefanboy

Seriously, 1 Master winner 1 Master Runner-up. Biggest market/viewership , there is no reason Riot give NA only 2. Next Masters will have 16 teams, so they need to give NA 1 more slot

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ItsMeDio
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source?

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emraaa
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Maybe there will be a Last Chance qualifier? Something like the play-in system for LoL Worlds?

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ipok6
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well this is masters not champions so that wouldnt really make sense. "two teams qualify through challengers main event, then we have another tournament right after to determine the last teams to qualify" would just be dumb

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egg80085
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thie one only says that there will be 2 slots for na in masters 1, not that there'll be 16 teams in there in total, unless i missed something

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ipok6
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yeah it doesnt say that, OP added that in an edit and i dont know what his source for that is, id be very interested in seeing that source since i havent seen that said anywhere

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dignityx3
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Riot games is fucking brain damaged is the only possible explanation to your question

#32
Larry
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I don’t disagree with your statement but at the same time I also believe NA isn’t good enough to deserve more slots at the given moment.

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nikoya
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Is it really about deserving slots? If it was purely performance Japan wouldn't have any. I doubt NA 'deserving' two slots is the reason why they have two slots.

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Arisqq
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NA is trash atm that is why they got 2

#42
nikoya
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maybe they deserve two, but that isn't purely why they got two.

#53
sheahhhh
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emea didnt get less when they got deepthroated at iceland

#57
23_MARK_23
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Wasnt V1 worse then liquid and fnatic and then the Sentinels v Fnatic games were Incredible close??

#59
Aartanis
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? v1 beat liquid 2-1

#60
Omega_lul
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In terms of final positions
liquid 4th
V1 5-6
Fnatic 2
Sentinels-1

#62
23_MARK_23
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oh yeah, i mixed up the final placements and results, but still i wouldnt call it a deepthroating xd it was really close

#56
conman
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Why not? If Brazil deserves 2 surely NA deserves more. NA has been by FAR the second best performing region behind EMEA.

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Arisqq
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the most watched match in 2021 was EU vs CIS https://imgur.com/a/pwEZGlh there is a reason bro they got shat on at masters berlin and champs just like BR

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valulrantefanboy
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lets be real , that match got drops for gun buddy and If SEN got to final, the viewership would be 1m3 at least no cap

#7
kristof
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copium

#11
plas
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more like facts

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Arisqq
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more like NA copium

#58
conman
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Not saying Sentinels would have won or anything but it's undeniable they were the most popular (in terms of viewership) team of 2021

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Arisqq
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copium

#52
PrTsty
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Wouldve been even more viewers if KRU made it into finals

#61
Omega_lul
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The problem for that is they would have to reach the finals

#9
Bait_Detector
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its the grandfinals it would be sad if it wasnt the most viewed

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valvenq
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this is so biased. this match was literally the grand final for Champions, the biggest and most important tournament of the entire year. if it was any other team, the number of viewers would be equal or even higher. if it was an NA team, the number of views could potentially rival LoL viewership, especially if it's between two rival teams (Sen vs G2 as an example).

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Philosopher_Stone
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"potentially rival LOL viewership"

chill there

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Arisqq
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well a SEN vs KRU final can def get 2.5m ibai+all spanish streamers +SEN is so popular+drops

#22
Philosopher_Stone
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2.5 million that's cute

they still have 1.5 million to go, 71 million if u count china

source for china numbers: https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Esports/Sections/Media/2021/11/Worlds-2021-Finals-AMA.aspx

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Arisqq
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u rly trying to compere LOL and valo rn huh

#47
jimjam789
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bruh LoL has like 100million global viewership in the world finals

#17
valvenq
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yeah nvm it's bit of a reach

#18
i_come_from_hltv
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no rival lol viewership but still a lot views yes

#63
dapada
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dude are you for real?
"could potentially rival LoL viewership" its literally impossible

#19
ipok6
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yeah man they got shat on at Berlin, Envy only got 2nd KEKW
Even at Champions they did not get shat on, Sentinels were 2 rounds away from getting out of their mega-stacked group in 1st place, C9 made it to quarters playing close series against Liquid and Fnatic and Envy, the one team that did underperform, barely lost to X10...

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Arisqq
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they did good at champs COPIUM

#29
ipok6
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they underwhelmed compared to expectations but they absolutely didnt get shat on. the only region that got shat on at champs is JP and arguably brazil

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jimjam789
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how did they underperform? all teams made playoffs, 1 team in semis 1 team in finals. they argueably did better than emea as a whole considering one of the emea teams didnt even make playoffs

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ipok6
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champs, not berlin

#5
kristof
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bias

#12
BaDa
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no way its actually 2 slots, where da source at

#24
BaDa
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sadge...

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ipok6
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good question. minor regions like SEA go through two masters events doing jack shit and keep their slots for champs, and Brazil goes through the entire year doing nothing and still gets 2 slots, NA has ONE underwhelming tournament and they lose a slot? absolute joke

#26
BaDa
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Kr 1 slot, japan still tba, brazil 2 slots, NA 2, EMEA still tba according to liquipedia

#31
ipok6
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whats your point exactly

#37
BaDa
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oh shoot i forgot to put my next sentence. "its basically almost the same as masters 2 last year, kr still 1, brazil idk how but still 2 so i guess riot -for now- don't think a change is necessary which is quite questionable"

#38
ipok6
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if they go back to a 10-team event like reykjavik ill have lost all hope in Riot. and also even if they do they should give a BR slot to EMEA 100%

#39
BaDa
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i just want more teams playing in masters...

#44
ipok6
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that would be cool.

#55
Pemetro
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kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

#64
sumihiro
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That's called tradition. NA is jackshit on tactical FPS

#66
ipok6
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traditionally yes, but not in valorant (yet)

#67
sumihiro
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Yeah, I mean, NIP, MIBR, Liquid all invested on the brazilian scene. And also the biggest FF orgs invested on the val scene, with one of them building a dream team, plus we have VK from last year, 2 slots thinking about viewership and potential from the new teams is ok

#68
ipok6
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i dont mind BR keeping 2 slots, but if NA loses a slot just for an underwhelming Champions then BR absolutely should lose one as well

#71
sumihiro
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Maybe 1 slot is going to OCE? Because of the LCQ fiasco? or for APAC, which will include OCE teams

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ipok6
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definitely not direct to OCE since they go through APAC. i really doubt theyre giving APAC an extra slot just because it includes OCE now, since only one OCE team qualifies to APAC in the first place. even then i wouldnt want NA to lose a slot for that, NA is almost certainly way better than OCE

#27
Andrew412
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na sucks thats why 2 slots

#73
egg80085
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tsm is our last chance

#28
OzyMeister
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Deserved

#30
makoidk
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NA minor region KEKW PogOff

#33
trola
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2 slots is too little for NA, at least 3 is better

#34
Noob_dart
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Kekw

#36
Noob_dart
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Maybe if you guys cry hard or send fake death threats online riot could listen

#35
thiagomds
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Which region did they give the slot? China?

#43
Yeetus
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Maybe it's Iceland sized event

#50
Fr1tZ
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the only reason NA got 2 slots is Masters 1 maybe only has 10/12 teams. even though NA sucks at champions they perform at masters 1 and 2 so no shot they just remove the slot because of champs.

#51
aufkm98
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Maybe if its streamers championship then more slots in normal esport SA, CIS, TR, EU, KR, BR > NA

#54
sp3cbro
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Cause it's not a streamers battle KEKW

#74
Andrew412
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LOL

#65
coguyy
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kekw content creators region 😭😭

#72
koenigDACH
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underrated comment but NA fanboys downvoting you..

#69
Supr3meGucci
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NA is not the biggest place for viewership.

#75
Izanagi
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they probably used champs as metric, comparing the expectations between BR and NA scene for champs:

NA were the only region to play toe-to-toe against EMEA, so they're expected to AT LEAST get playoffs, but they crumbled
BR were playing really bad and the expectations for them were low, maybe 1 win for each team and maybe 1 team to playoffs

BR played well against Acend, Gambit and Sentinels (the two finalists and the seed 1 from NA), got 2 wins but could've won all matches (except against SEA)
NA played bad against EMEA, almost lost to BR and crumbled to LATAM/SEA, which can be "unacceptable" for a major region who won the first international and achieved finals in the second one.

#76
WONDERWEISS
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Flexing with Money doesn't impress Riot Games. They don't deserve more.

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KyLZi
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Riot took a spot because Zombs flexed his money? LOL

#79
KyLZi
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Whatever, NA just has to win. I really hope its not a 10 team tourney that would suck.

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