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ShahZam Appreciation Thread

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#1
ciro

Can we all appreciate just how good of a player and IGL ShahZam actually is if we forget his cs days. For a pretty long time ShahZam was playing IGL and coach all at the same time and still fragging well and getting high impact in his games. SEN too was looking very good, they did dominate their region for a pretty long time. After their poor run in Berlin, Shahz learned to adapt to the meta and learned many different agents like skye and breach (all in the space of like 2 months). Even at champions, it clearly looked like shahzam was the best player on the team while the rest of his team was kind of underperforming.

Now about the IBP situation, stop acting like IBP situation is the only reason you hate ShahZam. Its really funny how you guys hate Shahzam way more than steel when steel was the one that matchfixed lmfao. Dont act like you guys hate steel now, you guys still say "bring back steel 100t" and claim that its the worst transfer ever made in esports. If you hate him because he got away, its not his fault that he got away. What is he supposed to do? Hand himself in?

#2
Pocket
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I like steel....

#3
Mjtchell
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  1. His CS days are still apart of his history as a person and a player, that's a shitty argument.
  2. Sure he can be good, but he's also emotionally driven and it won't be consistent as you saw during masters and champions
  3. Never liked steel he made 100T toxic and kinda cringe when I like the rest of the roster. Glad they dropped him kinda wish Nitr0 stayed
  4. Yes he should've reported steel for matchfixing instead of finding out about it and then profiting on it. He's a slimy rat who still committed fraud whether there's actual evidence or not.

Full perspective, he seems fun and cool, and he's a pretty good player obviously. But he's sketchy and not someone I can really be a fan of.

#4
ciro
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Doesnt deserve the hate vlr.gg gives him lol

#5
Mjtchell
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That's your opinion, but you have to remember opinions are subjective and you can't change that.
Also the hate comes from somewhere, and there's more than you can just consider envious, and with more reason to it as well.

#12
QuinTessencee
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are you trying to justify hate lol hate aint an opinion its a shitty cowardly thing to do anonymously

#29
Mjtchell
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If you want to call holding people accountable “hate” sure go ahead. I never said i hated him nor did i say i support him. I stayed as unbiased as possible explaining all the reasons people dont like him and why i dont support him. No where did i “hate” on him. Also when you put yourself in the public eye. You are aware that people are going to give you feedback whether you like it or not

#59
QuinTessencee
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never said you hated on him; i said you shouldn't be justifying hate by calling it opinion or saying it comes from somewhere:
"Doesnt deserve the hate vlr.gg gives him lol" -> "Opinions are subjective and you can't change that", "also the hate comes from somewhere"

i understand your perspective in the original post and share most of it tbh but dont understand the hate part; just because it happens doesnt mean it should? should he or anyone really be receiving death threats constant vitriol etc over twitter/vlr/etc just over a game lol.
we as viewers are not meant to hold him accountable for what we perceive to have happened, theres a whole ass (bad) system for that but none of us know the whole story for almost all situations with any player and its bullshit for anyone to think they do and then use what they think to send hate

"He's a slimy rat who still committed fraud whether there's actual evidence or not." - isn't really objective/unbiased either lol its your opinion

#63
Mjtchell
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That form of fraud you can't have evidence on... wtf you understand that right?

You're fighting a downhill battle on what you think my argument is and it's ridiculous. You're misinformed on what the actual situation is and you're creating an argument around it. Please educate yourself on what happened so you know what I am talking about.

#77
QuinTessencee
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you literally ignored and passed over everything i said except about the fraud/matchfixing?
as i said my point was that hate isnt okay lol please stop picking out one word out of context and addressing nothing else all i commented on that was youre not being objective/unbiased as you say you are along with the fact that hate isnt acceptable for ANY players, not just shahz

#41
hekzy
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Firstly, "hate" is a strong word and it's pretty unrealistic for anybody to hate someone over the internet. If we are talking about "disliking" him, I can do that in front of him, talk all the trash in the world. As if I'm scared of speaking the truth to some 27yo nerd boomer.

#48
AltonBu02
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i think its hilarious u guys talk shit about shazam. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol.

#65
kushcash0331
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What? Lmfao

#70
AltonBu02
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surprised at how many people don't know this copypasta

#69
bdzez
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hell yeah ShaZam would beat the shit out of these nerds IRL

#60
QuinTessencee
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i wasn't the one to introduce the word hate and its pretty realistic to seeing that many players receive death threats and constant abuse over the internet? which is, idk, possibly a shitty thing to do? all i said was hate is a shitty thing to do especially online and anonymously, its cowardly. thats all there is to it

#79
Velurom
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Agreed.

#6
nikoya
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I like Shahzam (as a personality and as a pro), I'm just concerned about the amount he streams. But it's not like me whining about it is going to change anything, he can do what he wants, he's an adult. Whatever happens, will happen and that's just how it'll be. Maybe I'm wrong and Sentinels will win Champs this year, or maybe they'll never regain their former glory and will only fall further/stagnate, either way, there's no point in letting it ruin my own mood about the matter. I'm not going to go out of my way to hate on Sen (that's toxic and wastes my own time and energy, it literally has no effect on anyone but myself lmfao), if I disagree with them and no longer find myself supporting them I'll just find a different team to support. That's how life is, change happens, life happens, it's not the end of the world. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, ima just do my thing and do it the best I can.

(I never watched CSGO, I'm new to esports)

also this quickly devolved from an appreciation thread to a rant threat lol.

#7
ciro
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Dont think his streaming is affecting his personal performance but i think he should spend more time playing with his whole team scrimming or whatever

#8
conman
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I find it hard to believe that the entire team is not scrimming because Shahz wants to stream more, even earlier in the year they were scrimming and he was still streaming 8+ hours a day and people admired him for grinding both that hard. Feel like them not practicing rn has got to be a collective decision but it's for sure worrying looking towards their 2022 season.

#10
CRAZY_CHAINSAW_MAN_FAN
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Yeah, I think if they don't make it to the lan thing first masters they should atleast add an extra hour or two onto going over vods, scrimming and that other jazz. Although people shouldn't be on their ass about it

#9
rishu004
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dude is a decent guy. dont know why vlr has beef against the guy. its like they are playing hard to get

#11
wutdeepak
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vlr has beef with whole Sentinels for some reason, they cut Sick some slack but they have the personal hate boner for the rest of the roster.

#46
BadlandsChugs
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because he's the only player that hasn't done something considered bad

tenz streams a lot plus his fans are really annoying
shaz with the ibp thing plus streaming
zombs with the brazil controversy and money flaunting
and dapr with his in game t bagging and shit

#47
conman
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TenZ doesn't even stream that much and since when is streaming a bad thing? lol

#50
ciro
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no way in game tbagging is considered bad lmfao. And just because tenz fanboys are cringe, doesnt mean he is bad

#72
BadlandsChugs
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true, but that doesn't mean that other people aren't thinking this

#54
wutdeepak
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"dapr with his in game t bagging and shit", don't tell me u have never seen sick tbag and trashtalking, and that's not even a reason to hate

#67
tinted
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i think a big reason that people dislike dapr/zombs/kind of shahzam is because of their egos. tenz fans and sen fans in general (not all of them, but most of them) are pretty annoying, but tenz himself isn't a bad guy at all.

#13
QuinTessencee
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shahz is awesome :)

#14
dexter000111
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ShahZam needs appreciation where it's due

What a great RAT

#15
rishu004
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dude is living in history

#43
hekzy
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Well, I guess we can forgive everybody that way. Hitler, Stalin, Anders Breyvik, everybody. I mean, otherwise we'd be living in history 😎

#57
Churr0s
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m8 theres no way you fucking compared shazam to hitler LMFAOOOO

#62
Softy
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ur a dumb fuck if you think this was a direct comparison between shaz nd hitler. I can make out that you can never in ur life be good in debates

#68
tinted
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he jokes

#71
Churr0s
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First of all, it"s a fucking joke. Second of all, he"s still saying that the actions of Shazham are even somewhat comparable to the actions of Hitler by comparing us forgiving Shazham"s actions to us forgiving Hitler"s actions.

#85
nematoma
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imagine being this dumb that ur saying he wont be good in debates by seeing a single comment.

#16
SnxZ
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Imagine flipping your bet, make money out of it and then snitch about it. What a rat.

#18
delusional_sentinels_fan1
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imagine match fixing in the first place

#19
dexter000111
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Match-fixing = bad
Betting on said match-fixing, earning prifit from it, then snitching on them = good ?

#20
delusional_sentinels_fan1
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well no shit both are bad, it just feels like whenever this topic is brought up people act like IBP was forced to match-fix and like they didn't do it for their own benefit.

#30
dexter000111
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You're missing the point.
Of course Steel and ShahZam both were wrong.
But one of them admitted it, apologized and served the punishment, while one of them didn't.
Hence the hatred.

#21
SnxZ
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But those who matchfixed served their ban unlike you fav player.

#23
ciro
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Its not his fault that he didnt get banned though? If they dont ban him then what is he supposed to do? beg for a ban?

#31
dexter000111
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So he doesn't deserve hate for doing something wrong because he got away with it ?

#34
ciro
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He did something wrong but it just doesnt make sense that he is hated more than steel.

#38
dexter000111
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Yeah coz Steel admitted, apologized and served his ban for match fixing
He owned his mistake instead of being a rat and lying about it

#39
ciro
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Sure but what he did was a lot worse than what shahz did. Shahz prolly made a few hundred bucks out of it and then cooperated with the investigation. Sure he made a few hundreds out of it but was it actually that big of a deal. From what I read he did initially bet on iBP but then found it was going to be thrown and then changed his bet. I mean obviously he wouldnt bet on iBP to win a thrown game

#40
dexter000111
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Look man I hate ShahZam and nothing u say can change that. I think what he did was equally bad
Let's respect each others' opinion
I have my right to hate him and u have the right to like him
Fair ??

#58
delusional_sentinels_fan1
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So should ska come out and apologize for getting away with it too?

#49
conman
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Do you have a link for this? From all the reports I've read they've never mentioned this. Says the person who Shahz was having a conversation with leaked the conversation to journalists.

#64
ShahZaM
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you’re so angry about something you don’t even understand, it’s obvious you didn’t even play the game back then

You can’t take a bet back on csgolounge, only switch your pick. Anyone would not want to lose their skins and switch if they found out a team was throwing, you’re lying if you say otherwise. I already had a bet and switched it right before the match after I found out

Also didn’t snitch, it’s different when the lawyers of a billion dollar company approach you 5 months after the match in question.

#66
Banan
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moral of the story don't bet.

#73
downbad
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Lol ratio + L bozo + why don't you go back to leeching off tenz? Before him u barely reached 1k viewers + don't talk shit to wardell when you can't even awp in pro matches + stewie violated you for a reason + L bozo

#78
dexter000111
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LMFFAAOOOOOOOOO

U violated him broo HOLYYY

#81
ciro
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knew it was more complex than the version people spread lmfao

#83
noxx
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the funny thing is the thing that actually happened and the thing that is being spread online are so different that it doesnt even stay true to what happened originally and its a load of bs, i can get why people would change the story up a little bit (coz they hate shahz) but they literally changed every aspect of it and its really fucking weird but u cant really do anything about it, even if shahz brings up all the evidence the haters will still hate and thats about it

#82
Shahzam_is_a_street_Dog
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😂😂😂😂

#86
downbad
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Nice rAtio

#17
hiyo
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Dirty, lying, unlikeable rat.
Good player with okay personality.

#33
dexter000111
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W

#22
turkey
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yes we can all appreciate show good of a player he is he’s prob in top 20 rn he’s a really good player and igl. but peoples opinions on it will be peoples opinions on it it’s not like his skill can make those opinions disappear

#24
chipsaKEKK
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT

#37
ciro
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Chest

#25
CalypsoGHC
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Can we all appreciate just how good of a player and IGL ShahZam actually is if we forget his cs days. For a pretty long time ShahZam was playing IGL and coach all at the same time and still fragging well and getting high impact in his games. SEN too was looking very good, they did dominate their region for a pretty long time. After their poor run in Berlin, Shahz learned to adapt to the meta and learned many different agents like skye and breach (all in the space of like 2 months). Even at champions, it clearly looked like shahzam was the best player on the team while the rest of his team was kind of underperforming.

Now about the IBP situation, stop acting like IBP situation is the only reason you hate ShahZam. Its really funny how you guys hate Shahzam way more than steel when steel was the one that matchfixed lmfao. Dont act like you guys hate steel now, you guys still say "bring back steel 100t" and claim that its the worst transfer ever made in esports. If you hate him because he got away, its not his fault that he got away. What is he supposed to do? Hand himself in?

#36
ciro
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lmfao

#26
ShadowisBAD
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thank you ciro !

#35
ciro
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welcome shahzam

#27
ok_1_2_3
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Can we all appreciate just how good of a player and IGL ShahZam actually is if we forget his cs days. For a pretty long time ShahZam was playing IGL and coach all at the same time and still fragging well and getting high impact in his games. SEN too was looking very good, they did dominate their region for a pretty long time. After their poor run in Berlin, Shahz learned to adapt to the meta and learned many different agents like skye and breach (all in the space of like 2 months). Even at champions, it clearly looked like shahzam was the best player on the team while the rest of his team was kind of underperforming.

Now about the IBP situation, stop acting like IBP situation is the only reason you hate ShahZam. Its really funny how you guys hate Shahzam way more than steel when steel was the one that matchfixed lmfao. Dont act like you guys hate steel now, you guys still say "bring back steel 100t" and claim that its the worst transfer ever made in esports. If you hate him because he got away, its not his fault that he got away. What is he supposed to do? Hand himself in?

#28
Riizwan19xx
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We love Shaz 🤍

#32
hiyo
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Can we all appreciate just how good of a player and IGL ShahZam actually is if we forget his cs days. For a pretty long time ShahZam was playing IGL and coach all at the same time and still fragging well and getting high impact in his games. SEN too was looking very good, they did dominate their region for a pretty long time. After their poor run in Berlin, Shahz learned to adapt to the meta and learned many different agents like skye and breach (all in the space of like 2 months). Even at champions, it clearly looked like shahzam was the best player on the team while the rest of his team was kind of underperforming.

Now about the IBP situation, stop acting like IBP situation is the only reason you hate ShahZam. Its really funny how you guys hate Shahzam way more than steel when steel was the one that matchfixed lmfao. Dont act like you guys hate steel now, you guys still say "bring back steel 100t" and claim that its the worst transfer ever made in esports. If you hate him because he got away, its not his fault that he got away. What is he supposed to do? Hand himself in?

#42
Shahzam_is_a_street_Dog
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Can we all appreciate just how good of a player and IGL ShahZam actually is if we forget his cs days. For a pretty long time ShahZam was playing IGL and coach all at the same time and still fragging well and getting high impact in his games. SEN too was looking very good, they did dominate their region for a pretty long time. After their poor run in Berlin, Shahz learned to adapt to the meta and learned many different agents like skye and breach (all in the space of like 2 months). Even at champions, it clearly looked like shahzam was the best player on the team while the rest of his team was kind of underperforming.

Now about the IBP situation, stop acting like IBP situation is the only reason you hate ShahZam. Its really funny how you guys hate Shahzam way more than steel when steel was the one that matchfixed lmfao. Dont act like you guys hate steel now, you guys still say "bring back steel 100t" and claim that its the worst transfer ever made in esports. If you hate him because he got away, its not his fault that he got away. What is he supposed to do? Hand himself in?

#45
ciro
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name checks out

#44
hekzy
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Yeah wait until this game has purebred talent and he is not just piggybacking off of beating faceit lvl7s and you'll see that he is just a garbage FPS player, just like in csgo. He is one year away from being like hazed.

#51
justboy
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no

#52
Omega_lul
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Shahz can stream 12 hours a day if they get a coach
No one doubts sentinels ingame stuff
Sentinels look lost in their comps (no raze on split etc)
They have less strats compared to other teams which is the IGL and coaches duty since rawkass is only for personal improvement of players. They have 2 strats sick go kill and dapr do miracles on split which is why Shahz gets hate

#76
gareth
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I mean Sentinels in game stuff relies purely on them out-aiming their opponents. If you watch their game, they use their utility specifically to set up gun fight because they all believe that they can win their aim duels.

However, with teams now playing more structured and getting more used to the game, other teams are able to use utility much better than Sentinels and avoid the 1 v 1 gun fights against TenZ or Shahz.

Either way, they will most likely run through open quals pretty easily due to the talent gap but it will be interesting to see how they stack up to up and coming teams like KCP, Akrew who will have better strats but not have the talent

#84
Omega_lul
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NA lcq organisers should be slapped if akrew is seeded with any of c9 sen envy rise
That would be shambolic seeding
It’ll be interesting they shouldn’t qualify for masters for once so they can get a coach and shahz can rest

#53
thanatos11
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No

#55
sumihiro
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Nice try, Shahzam's fake account

#56
ciro
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lol

#61
DELUSIONAL_MITCH_FAN
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I like mitch!

#74
katsu_fx
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paid post

#75
downbad
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W

#80
Arisqq
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NT ShahZam

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