0

My idea of a waylay nerf

Comments:
Threaded Linear
#1
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one

Randomly came up in my thoughts for post santiago meta. The real reason waylay is good, is because she can basically fill the role of a skye dog on steroids but also play a decent entry
So my idea
1) Refract moves off signature and into purchasable at 200 credits, with 2 charges, but gets a longer duration
2) Double dash takes longer to equip
3) Saturate becomes signature, gets duration reduced to 1.5s, uses the same deployment mechanics as a jett cloudburst, moves slower than a jett cloudburst, larger radius to compensate, 2 kill reset
Ultimate remains unchanged
What do we think

For people who need charity

A 2 kill reset, is the mechanic used by the duelists, where their signature resets every 2 kills after using it.
So if im on jett, i dash in, get 2 kills, i get another dash
That is the mechanic

And as for refract, in isolation, its simply a tool for pushing forward, basically a Phoenix ult without any auto call back. So making 2 charges, has no real effect other than "if i want to push once, then push again, i can quite easily"

And for those yelling saturate 2 charges, saturate remains at 1 charge, it just now works on the jett cloudburst mechanism(also used by skye), where you dont throw it you have to actively curve it to the location you want. And saturate is also reducing from 3s to 1.5s slow
Waylay ult I've left unchecked because its fair, other ults work the same

#2
GambleNats
0
Frags
+

waylay is not that broken of a character. saturate and ult duration nerf of 0.5s and your good.

the bigger focus and problem is yoru viper

#4
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
0
Frags
+

Viper needs astra to be a good lurker
Yoru, he's broken sure, but even if yoru got killed we would replace with neon waylay.
The problem is mainly because initiators who can compete are dead, and sentinels are weak

#9
GambleNats
0
Frags
+

Viper needs double controller. she doesnt need astra. you will ALWAYS run a dome smoker anyways. viper therefor will always be broken unless you change something fundamental of her kit OR overtune other agents.

we would replace with neon waylay.

still allows for more option, you would just need to buff flash intiators a tiny bit.

and sentinels are weak

they arent in as terrible state as you think they are. its just that double duelist + viper is broken, so you will always run them over. all the sentis provide good value except dl (who isnt even that bad either)

#10
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
0
Frags
+

Wait im sry I meant that viper nerfs need astra as a good lurker to replace her

#11
GambleNats
0
Frags
+

you would just force a non double controller meta

#12
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
0
Frags
+

I mean... It still works. Just now you can get variety like omen astra or astra brimstone because its not always viper viper viper

#17
GambleNats
0
Frags
+

thats not my point, and double dome smokes is always sub optimal besides on abyss.

you dont need astra to be as good as viper, for viper to not be broken. you just need viper to not be broken in the first place.

this double controller double duelist thing is why senti is bad, the other roles just have broken characters (viper/yoru)

#3
themaniel
1
Frags
+

Do NOT let waylay get multiple saturates in one round

#5
notepicfailboi
0
Frags
+

2 tps + 2 slows

Yeah this is a buff. It makes it way easier to find value. Waylay isn’t very easy to play, you have to time utility correctly to find value.

#7
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
0
Frags
+

...
ITS 1 CHARGe of saturate, you need 2 kills to reset it.
If you want increase it to a 3 kill reset

#8
notepicfailboi
0
Frags
+

I understood that. Imagine using one to slow down a site player, your team floods in and kills him. You now get 2 kills and a saturate back to stop a retake.

2 refracts can make waylay a stronger op agent, pair with a saturate to deny any trades

#6
Denatured_Enzyme
0
Frags
+

imo the reason waylays busted is because she can entry without dieing whilst every other duelist would. Her saturate is also just a buffed stun. They gotta reduce the saturates effect time and do something to her refract but idk what

#16
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
0
Frags
+

Love the name btw
What id think is that. refract in isolation is fine, but its the synergy of the 3 together that makes her broken

#13
LugiaVLR
0
Frags
+

Waylay doesn't need a nerf

#15
Vyse-Fan_In-more-than-one
0
Frags
+

Its a rework
Literally the exact same kit except the mechanics it allows are different

#14
BerLINglazer
-2
Frags
+

im too dumb to read something thats more than 3 sentences long😿

meow😿

  • Preview
  • Edit
› check that that your post follows the forum rules and guidelines or get formatting help
Sign up or log in to post a comment