Frost js said crws might have been the best igl in pacific…
How much more delusional can this man get?
His coaching was shit, crws igl was mid, and his team was full of talent and they couldnt do anything. How does that make crws the best igl in APAC when he didnt even place well in a regional until last few months of Talon franchising…
i see frost as a GM tbh he finds insane ass talent but his coaching it’s not bad but not great
“Couldn’t do shit” they were the second best team in Pacific with 2-3 months of prac with the new roster
2-3 months…
Are you js lying for fun? They had their new roster with thyy and killua for 6-7 months (no not on purpose)
They legit had like a month and a week time to prac with Killua and Thyy after dropping Ban and Gov(dropped after kickoff)
-a month and a week of prac with killua and thyy / proceeded to get 5-6th in split 1
-then got 1st runner up in split2 , should have and would have been in Split 2 Grand Final
That says enough
3rd*
and i’m pretty sure they started stage 1 with that roster; that’s plenty of time
oops @xinefso above me
if they were the second best team in pacific at any point which intls did they make
Shut up man u dont know shit
NRG got the champs trophy does that make them clearly the best team itw ?
If u think talon weren’t the second best team in Pacific ur delusional
NRG got the champs trophy does that make them clearly the best team itw ?
Yes actually. At the time they were the best team in the world.
Ya don't know how you can be the best igl in the region and then not make it to any international event
that tln team wouldn’t have gotten top 3 if it wasn’t for crws, frost and jovi
and? doesnt matter at all since they dont win when it matters and threw a reverse sweep.
Crws and frost crumbled under pressure.
also, crws cant be even close to the best igl when munchkin, stax, mako, and forsaken are in APAC as well.
forsaken not really an igl
munchkin valid
but he is better than stax and mako
he can be better than stax and mako when he wins a masters, or places 3rd at champs.
and yeah ig PRX is mostly spread out with the calling
mako was not even calling at this year champs it was someone else i am pretty sure
yeah, ig f0rsaken not really an igl, but still accomplished more than CRWS, and led his team to international glory, and took down the 'best igl' CRWS
wasn’t just crws and frost that crumbled, their star player had the worst game of his life on sunset so it isn’t really fair to blame the reverse sweep loss on JUST crws and frost
he’s not better than the igls you mentioned i can stand on that but he is definitely on the top half in pacific
well yes, hes def top half I agree, but frost said he was the best igl in pacific which ticked me off
"Crws and frost crumbled under pressure" yet you are still thinking that Munchkin is a top IGL when he literally threw multiple series advantages because he was tilted
never said munchkin never did as well, but crws and frost had a chance to make champs and prove themselves with 1 map left to win, and they lost all 3.
And munchkin had multiple opportunities to not get eliminated by RRQ this year and adapting to them like any good IGL would do and also shouldn't have thrown half of the series he played. Yet you are still considering him a top IGL in pacific while shaming Talon for one thing lol.
GenG adapting wasnt the problem. It was the fact that none of them knew how to control their emotions and started running it down when they weren't front running.
Also, I used not making champs as an example. Talon had the players and talent to make most internationals if they had better calling and playbook, but instead they just rely on their team out fragging the opponents.
Talon had the players and talent to make most internationals if they had better calling and playbook, but instead they just rely on their team out fragging the opponents.
Talon had the players and talent??? no one on Talon besides primmie was in the top 25 in stage 2 lmfao. They only got to top 3 because of their calling and playbook.
Also GenG running it down is the fault of Munchkin because he, as the IGL, is supposed to control that.
yeah cuz stats are the only thing in the world that show talent.
also, their calling and playbook were all ass. All talon did was just try to out aim their opponents most of the time.
Also, by running it down, i mean they are js doing bad. not that they are literally sprinting into the enemy stacks
Yeah so without stats how would they be winning rounds? are the enemy just giving them free round wins or are they actually using their brains to get those round wins? 0/8 lmao
Also, by running it down, i mean they are js doing bad.
Also this is still Munchkin's fault, nothing will justify that terrible tilt calling from an IGL lmao
no? stats dont matter because on the maps they won, it was always close games, but when they lost it was stomps.
just like how T1 won bangkok...
Tln would’ve made an event if they didn’t have bums like crws frost and jovi
im saying, crws and frost crumbled under pressure so hard. (lost a reverse sweep to get themselves out of contention for champs)
sybau + crws hard clears munchkin give crws t3 and karon and he probably starts apac era dont talk shi w 0 ball knowledge
LOLLL you are just stupid if you think crws didnt have insane talent on his team.
primmie alone is as good mechanically as a karon or t3xture.
also, where is talons international wins? if he clears munchkin so hard, how come he hasnt made an international in so long?
dont talk about ball knowledge when Talon is surface level at best. everyone knows they have insane talent but got wasted with frost and crws LOL
There are many worse IGLs than him who can make internationals, Sayf literally made an international despite being a terrible IGL so idk what your point with arguing that not making an international takes away from his IGLing ability.
so not winning in a regionals makes you a good igl still? even though you have the talent to make internationals?
I agree sayf was a shit igl, but he had insane talent on his roster so he still made it.
also, you literally cant be a good igl let alone the best in pacific without making a single international in a tactical shooter... ESPECIALLY when you have insane talent on your team.
I agree sayf was a shit igl, but he had insane talent on his roster so he still made it
So you are contradicting yourself, you can get into a LAN while being a shit IGL, not making a LAN shouldn't take away from your level of IGLing lmfao. Talon had literally one good player (primmie) while VIT had an insane roster of players.
you literally cant be a good igl let alone the best in pacific without making a single international in a tactical shooter
Jamppi did not make a single LAN this year yet people were saying he's a great IGL and was the reason why he got picked up by VIT in the first place lmao.
not making a lan 100% takes away your IGL capabilities. there are some exceptions like every other thing in the universe. sayf did it with a super team and still couldnt do anything once they got theree since he sucked ass.
also, Talon has primmie, a generational talent, jitboys, a very good senti role player, thyy, a good entry duelist that pops off when he needs to, and killua, a good initiator role player.
Talon was not a bad team, they could have easily made an international if they just had better calling and playbook, but instead of that, they rely heavily on their team just out aiming the other team.
sayf did it with a super team and still couldnt do anything once they got theree since he sucked ass.
He literally got top 4 at Bangkok but I guess he "couldn't do anything"
also, Talon has primmie, a generational talent, jitboys, a very good senti role player, thyy, a good entry duelist that pops off when he needs to, and killua, a good initiator role player.
Literally no one besides primmie was in the top 25 in stage 2 lmfao, they shouldn't even have gotten to where they were on paper.
top 4 out of 8 isnt good LOL
also if you go solely off of stats, are T1 the least talented team to ever win an event?
because if you go off stats, clearly meteor, buzz, Izu, and stax are dogshit players right?
What are you saying LMFAO
Top 4 is already a good achievement so idfk what you're yapping about "omg it's only 8 teams!!" when they had to reach a grand final to even attend the event.
Also T1's players' stats aren't even bad??? so idfk what you're talking about there either, you're basically just picking at straws atp.
they are all negative in the grand final and none of them have a rating above 1.00.
you said yourself that stats are the only thing that matters, so in they must have been the worst team to ever win a grand final.
Also, what about the NRG run? are they suddenly not talented except brawk and skuba?
What i am trying to say is that stats dont matter for shit. Its winning that matters, which relies on clutches and IMPACTFUL plays. someone can top frag in any match if they just bait and get exit frags to boost their stats. That doesnt automatically make you talented.
Talent varies. Boaster is an insanely talented IGL, but he shits the bed super hard every match, so is he suddenly not talented since he doesnt have good stats?
Ethan was rated bottom half of champs, but he had giga impact in the grand finals and won NRG game 5. He is talented and is a very good player.
s0m was around the same as ethan, but he had insane clutches that literally got NRG past DRX, EDG, and MIBR. Without s0m's talent in the clutch and as a role player, they wouldnt have won.
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