I think it will flop just like Veto
wdym water grenade tho? ig it will destroy cypher trips
this is basically another cypher nerf
why do they hate cypher
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its actually so funny general player base thinks veto is weak hes better than prime chamber right now lol
kyro1 [#3]its actually so funny general player base thinks veto is weak hes better than prime chamber right now lol
When I said flop I meant pick rate wise, ranked is still basically chamber reyna clove and jett
termtermtermterm [#2]it was leaked?
Apparently the rework will be live on nov 11th and game files had grenade in the name of one of his abilities, that’s what I read on twitter
pommebleue [#4]When I said flop I meant pick rate wise, ranked is still basically chamber reyna clove and jett
it will always be like that just the nature of ranked, veto just has higher mastery than chamber bc he has util most players dont really understand how to use util and prefer to focus on aim
kyro1 [#3]its actually so funny general player base thinks veto is weak hes better than prime chamber right now lol
Pro playerbase also agrees that Veto is weak. I remember telling this to you earlier and I’m surprised you haven’t changed your opinion yet but I’m willing to wait a couple more weeks for RBHG to help you decide
pommebleue [#5]Apparently the rework will be live on nov 11th and game files had grenade in the name of one of his abilities, that’s what I read on twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXNyB9-hBVI
here is the leak of util names
JonahPork [#7]Pro playerbase also agrees that Veto is weak. I remember telling this to you earlier and I’m surprised you haven’t changed your opinion yet but I’m willing to wait a couple more weeks for RBHG to help you decide
gang almost every coach agrees with me idk what you are talking about
kyro1 [#3]its actually so funny general player base thinks veto is weak hes better than prime chamber right now lol
He's garbage bro what does he actually do for anyone
kyro1 [#9]gang almost every coach agrees with me idk what you are talking about
Show me a coach that has expressed that opinion recently, not prior to or immediately after his release. People overreact to new agents all the time. People said waylay would be OP and then she clearly wasn’t (needed several major buffs to become good)
Galactc [#10]He's garbage bro what does he actually do for anyone
exact same thing as chamber he eats util both with his tp's and signature and can tp across the map plus hes more versatile than chamber on attack.
JonahPork [#11]Show me a coach that has expressed that opinion recently, not prior to or immediately after his release. People overreact to new agents all the time. People said waylay would be OP and then she clearly wasn’t (needed several major buffs to become good)
https://x.com/FollowNbs/status/1980079935965331622
https://x.com/FrosTvsYou/status/1978239232536649787
https://x.com/WendlerTV/status/1979259659379716323
could keep going but that should be enough for you
also veto is really the first ever counter pick agent which i dont see getting talked about enough
kyro1 [#13]https://x.com/FollowNbs/status/1980079935965331622
https://x.com/FrosTvsYou/status/1978239232536649787
https://x.com/WendlerTV/status/1979259659379716323could keep going but that should be enough for you
also veto is really the first ever counter pick agent which i dont see getting talked about enough
None of these are recent, and ofc you chose 2 unemployed coaches as well lol. Nbs is the only employed one and he’s the one with the least experience with Veto bc he was coaching during ascension
im like 99% sure the grenade is just his current ult geysers reworked into a regular ability (info gathering and corner clearing on controller aka instantly meta post initator nerfs)
JonahPork [#14]None of these are recent, and ofc you chose 2 unemployed coaches as well lol. Nbs is the only employed one and he’s the one with the least experience with Veto bc he was coaching during ascension
and who do you work for smartass? have you coached anyone in your life?
baldmansvalo [#17]and who do you work for smartass? have you coached anyone in your life?
Good attack instead of addressing the core issue of the argument, W
termtermtermterm [#2]it was leaked?
yea by me (not actually)
https://www.vlr.gg/post/5776626/last-minute-harbor-rework-prediction
JonahPork [#19]Good attack instead of addressing the core issue of the argument, W
holy unaware
"None of these are recent, and ofc you chose 2 unemployed coaches as well lol. Nbs is the only employed one and he’s the one with the least experience with Veto bc he was coaching during ascension"
You argued coaches are unemployed. you absolute buffon were you ever even a coach? you attacked their emplyment right?
baldmansvalo [#21]holy unaware
"None of these are recent, and ofc you chose 2 unemployed coaches as well lol. Nbs is the only employed one and he’s the one with the least experience with Veto bc he was coaching during ascension"
You argued coaches are unemployed. you absolute buffon were you ever even a coach? you attacked their emplyment right?
Idk how but you managed to miss the point entirely. I’m not attacking their coaching quality. Them being unemployed means they don’t have a team that they can scrim with to actually see the quality of Veto in pro play. Unfortunately your brain doesn’t have any critical thinking capacity so you didn’t figure that out
JonahPork [#14]None of these are recent, and ofc you chose 2 unemployed coaches as well lol. Nbs is the only employed one and he’s the one with the least experience with Veto bc he was coaching during ascension
apparently 14 days ago isnt recent enough lol doesnt meet your quota gotta be yesterday huh and acting like frost and wendler dont know what they are talking about
JonahPork [#22]Idk how but you managed to miss the point entirely. I’m not attacking their coaching quality. Them being unemployed means they don’t have a team that they can scrim with to actually see the quality of Veto in pro play. Unfortunately your brain doesn’t have any critical thinking capacity so you didn’t figure that out
yeah bro im sure frost and wendler havent had any offers or watched any scrims over the off season im sorry your argument makes no sense
JonahPork [#22]Idk how but you managed to miss the point entirely. I’m not attacking their coaching quality. Them being unemployed means they don’t have a team that they can scrim with to actually see the quality of Veto in pro play. Unfortunately your brain doesn’t have any critical thinking capacity so you didn’t figure that out
are you fucking stupid? Do you think they are sitting around? Lets assume they are to give you retarded logic a chance - you think you know better than them? I repeat my question, what have you ever done in your life to have your opinion considered better than theirs?
kyro1 [#13]https://x.com/FollowNbs/status/1980079935965331622
https://x.com/FrosTvsYou/status/1978239232536649787
https://x.com/WendlerTV/status/1979259659379716323could keep going but that should be enough for you
also veto is really the first ever counter pick agent which i dont see getting talked about enough
from
almost every coach agrees with me
to 3 coaches, 2 of which aren't franchised into
could keep going but that should be enough
i'm genuinely curious, it isn't enough for someone, what do you have to corroborate "almost every" coach agreeing with you?
shesh_ [#26]from
almost every coach agrees with me
to 3 coaches, 2 of which aren't franchised into
could keep going but that should be enough
i'm genuinely curious, it isn't enough for someone, what do you have to corroborate "almost every" coach agreeing with you?
have you never heard the term general sentiment? its basically summing up the opinions on a subject. the subject in this case is veto's viability of which almost every coach ive seen share their opinion on twitter has said they think hes very strong. which i agree with. attacking employment status during the off season to try to discredit what im saying is genuinely sad, could you really not think of anything better?
kyro1 [#23]apparently 14 days ago isnt recent enough lol doesnt meet your quota gotta be yesterday huh and acting like frost and wendler dont know what they are talking about
14 days ago isn’t recent enough bc it isn’t at least 2 weeks away from the release of Veto which essentially means in that timeframe, the agent wouldn’t have even been VCT eligible so no one can have a serious enough understanding of the agent to know how pro play viable the agent is
baldmansvalo [#25]are you fucking stupid? Do you think they are sitting around? Lets assume they are to give you retarded logic a chance - you think you know better than them? I repeat my question, what have you ever done in your life to have your opinion considered better than theirs?
My opinion is not solely my own, it’s an echo of pros I’ve heard speak on the agent who are actually in franchising unlike the 3 names mentioned 👍 stay mad
kyro1 [#24]yeah bro im sure frost and wendler havent had any offers or watched any scrims over the off season im sorry your argument makes no sense
Why would they be watching over scrims if they’re not on a team lmao do you realize how dumb that sounds, also yeah offers doesn’t mean they’re actively working with a team and practicing with them
JonahPork [#30]Why would they be watching over scrims if they’re not on a team lmao do you realize how dumb that sounds, also yeah offers doesn’t mean they’re actively working with a team and practicing with them
nah your actually clueless bro a common trial process for a coach when assessing whether or not they are a good fit is to get them to vod review or sit in on scrims and then give feedback as to how they would have coached the game or what needs to change from a in game perspective. wendler was in the running for the fnatic position so again he would have been at the very least reviewing their scrims, nbs has been actively working in trials, and frost has multiple offers from vct teams but had hopes to move back to americas. the truth is the agent hasnt been out long enough for anybody to truly know how it will fit in the meta and how high the agent mastery can truly be but fundamentally it does everything chamber did and does but is more versatile. i could go on and on about in game scenarios where veto is broken and changes the way the game has to be played but clearly you disagree for whatever reason and im not gonna be able to change your mind
kyro1 [#31]nah your actually clueless bro a common trial process for a coach when assessing whether or not they are a good fit is to get them to vod review or sit in on scrims and then give feedback as to how they would have coached the game or what needs to change from a in game perspective. wendler was in the running for the fnatic position so again he would have been at the very least reviewing their scrims, nbs has been actively working in trials, and frost has multiple offers from vct teams but had hopes to move back to americas. the truth is the agent hasnt been out long enough for anybody to truly know how it will fit in the meta and how high the agent mastery can truly be but fundamentally it does everything chamber did and does but is more versatile. i could go on and on about in game scenarios where veto is broken and changes the way the game has to be played but clearly you disagree for whatever reason and im not gonna be able to change your mind
Yeah honestly you won’t be able to change my mind, only pro teams can
kyro1 [#27]have you never heard the term general sentiment? its basically summing up the opinions on a subject. the subject in this case is veto's viability of which almost every coach ive seen share their opinion on twitter has said they think hes very strong. which i agree with. attacking employment status during the off season to try to discredit what im saying is genuinely sad, could you really not think of anything better?
just seems like you're being intentionally misrepresentative to try to push an agenda... but maybe i'm wrong
it's not even that i disagree with you, i was genuinely just curious if you were being rhetorically deceitful on purpose
shesh_ [#26]from
almost every coach agrees with me
to 3 coaches, 2 of which aren't franchised into
could keep going but that should be enough
i'm genuinely curious, it isn't enough for someone, what do you have to corroborate "almost every" coach agreeing with you?
so do you expect them to quote every coach now?
I mean this in the most productive way, how about you show an instance when a coach said otherwise?
JonahPork [#29]My opinion is not solely my own, it’s an echo of pros I’ve heard speak on the agent who are actually in franchising unlike the 3 names mentioned 👍 stay mad
they are literally coaches. are you fucked in the head to imply a coach doesnt know what theyre talking about?
baldmansvalo [#34]so do you expect them to quote every coach now?
I mean this in the most productive way, how about you show an instance when a coach said otherwise?
i feel like you’re twisting my words a little bit
i’m talking about the fact that they said “nearly every coach agrees” with them and then proceeded to come up with an insanely small, cherry picked, and obscured, sample size that’s clearly biased in their favour and unrepresentative of the “every coach” claim even in a context devoid vacuum where it was taken literally
i don’t even disagree with the point about veto, i think he’s a good agent
i just think the phrasing is disingenuous and counterproductive to dialogue
if you bothered to read my next response you’d see that
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