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I want HOT takes
Example: sen had the capacity to beat g2 at Toronto and get 4th but was placed against prx and fnc

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bump

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GENG woulda won champs 2024 if they hadn’t faced Sen (their cryptonite)

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DBStudios
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EDG would've won Bangkok and placed high at Toronto if s1mon didn't crash out

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cameran
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2023 sentinels didnt fail because of role swapping / role issues., everyone in the team just fell off

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cloudberry
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If LOUD kept qck they would've made Champs Seoul

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cloudberry [#6]

If LOUD kept qck they would've made Champs Seoul

what even was the rationale behind dropping qck, like who did they think was gonna play duelist anyways😭😭

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If Apeks retained kaajak, Fnatic won't be as good as they are

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Tempest24 [#2]

bump

why downfrag ts (this)

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sw4gman [#7]

what even was the rationale behind dropping qck, like who did they think was gonna play duelist anyways😭😭

tuyz was literally a duelist player in tier 2 afaik but he didnt want to play duelist for loud

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9wntr
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if falcons played ascension 24 with akai
they woulda won
flc with akai > apeks

#12
Mingu
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Demon1 is still and will always be the goat

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sw4gman
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Tempest24 [#10]

tuyz was literally a duelist player in tier 2 afaik but he didnt want to play duelist for loud

yeah ik but he said the moment qck got dropped he didnt wanna do it, sounds like they didnt have a plan hence we saw saadhak neon first game on lotus

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DBStudios [#4]

EDG would've won Bangkok and placed high at Toronto if s1mon didn't crash out

true
i miss s1mon :(

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sw4gman [#13]

yeah ik but he said the moment qck got dropped he didnt wanna do it, sounds like they didnt have a plan hence we saw saadhak neon first game on lotus

the neon was painful

also tbf
https://www.vlr.gg/353200/loud-vs-100-thieves-champions-tour-2024-americas-stage-2-w4/?game=173484&tab=overview

ig tuyz knew what would happen

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DBStudios [#4]

EDG would've won Bangkok and placed high at Toronto if s1mon didn't crash out

crashing out cause he didnt wanna play yoru😭😭

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Tempest24 [#9]

why downfrag ts (this)

I'm also going to downfrag this

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Luceus [#17]

I'm also going to downfrag this

american prx flairs are not brothers 😔

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cameran [#5]

2023 sentinels didnt fail because of role swapping / role issues., everyone in the team just fell off

Just poor coaching. Once the coaching was better, there was no IGL

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even in the event that prx won champions, i still wouldnt consider aleks as one of the greatest coach of the game, just because prx started to be good at the same time mini started to help them

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xineFso [#3]

GENG woulda won champs 2024 if they hadn’t faced Sen (their cryptonite)

or if they were not nervous cause they are in home with fans to disappoint

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Luceus [#17]

I'm also going to downfrag this

I literally bumped it for you
NOBODY (not the chinese player) replied 😔

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DBStudios [#4]

EDG would've won Bangkok and placed high at Toronto if s1mon didn't crash out

s1mon was at bangkok

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sleepydeer333 [#20]

even in the event that prx won champions, i still wouldnt consider aleks as one of the greatest coach of the game, just because prx started to be good at the same time mini started to help them

i mean mini said he did not change that much patmen was also big part of that win if you take a teaam with igl top final with sub top top 3 and without igl team to final and next year again top 3 i think he is grate coach just jason picking up igling help them

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fr0ster0p [#24]

i mean mini said he did not change that much patmen was also big part of that win if you take a teaam with igl top final with sub top top 3 and without igl team to final and next year again top 3 i think he is grate coach just jason picking up igling help them

Yeah but mini doesnt seem like a guy thats going to be "yeah this team won toronto just because of me"
And don't get me wrong, aleks is a great coach and has helped to mantain prx as a top team for years, it just that i can't think of him as one of the best

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fr0ster0p [#21]

or if they were not nervous cause they are in home with fans to disappoint

if lakia didn't hurt his hand

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sleepydeer333 [#25]

Yeah but mini doesnt seem like a guy thats going to be "yeah this team won toronto just because of me"
And don't get me wrong, aleks is a great coach and has helped to mantain prx as a top team for years, it just that i can't think of him as one of the best

so who you consider best other then mini must be team with great sucess like bonkar

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sw4gman [#7]

what even was the rationale behind dropping qck, like who did they think was gonna play duelist anyways😭😭

"We're not winning and we need a scapegoat" - LOUD management

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fr0ster0p [#27]

so who you consider best other then mini must be team with great sucess like bonkar

Bonkar its a really good coach but i think he needs a little bit more of time on tier 1 to be considered one of the best coaches, but if you were to put a tierlist he should be at least top of a tier
A name that a lot of people would probably put as one of the best coaches would probably be potter, and it kinda make sense, she can make a team with no namers seem good, but the last year was kind of a let down.
I really can't think of a mini tier coach rn, so maybe i should rethink my aleks take LMAO

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Tempest24 [#22]

I literally bumped it for you
NOBODY (not the chinese player) replied 😔

maybe ill bump it for you again

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fr0ster0p
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sleepydeer333 [#29]

Bonkar its a really good coach but i think he needs a little bit more of time on tier 1 to be considered one of the best coaches, but if you were to put a tierlist he should be at least top of a tier
A name that a lot of people would probably put as one of the best coaches would probably be potter, and it kinda make sense, she can make a team with no namers seem good, but the last year was kind of a let down.
I really can't think of a mini tier coach rn, so maybe i should rethink my aleks take LMAO

i also think poter is good coach but 2024 and 2025 with yay did not look promising dispite core was same for this year and they look somewhat wrost this year

Termii is good shout but guy has not won any international

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fr0ster0p [#31]

i also think poter is good coach but 2024 and 2025 with yay did not look promising dispite core was same for this year and they look somewhat wrost this year

Termii is good shout but guy has not won any international

Oh yeah, termi did a very good job towards the end of the year
I see a lot of pacific fans "hate" on termi, is that like a meme or people really want him gone?

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DBStudios
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sw4gman [#16]

crashing out cause he didnt wanna play yoru😭😭

He crashed out because he was being called out by his team for having a bad mental and "wouldn't practice well enough". Where did you get the narrative that he didn't want to play yoru 😭😭

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Mingu [#12]

Demon1 is still and will always be the goat

Holy glaze, get off the alt account demon1

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fr0ster0p [#23]

s1mon was at bangkok

Yeah and the s1mon crashout happened right after their win against T1

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sleepydeer333 [#32]

Oh yeah, termi did a very good job towards the end of the year
I see a lot of pacific fans "hate" on termi, is that like a meme or people really want him gone?

idk why hating maybe this start cause they got 4th spot and they were not looking good in stage 2

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Galactc
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Fnc 2023 was never a superteam by definition

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DBStudios [#33]

He crashed out because he was being called out by his team for having a bad mental and "wouldn't practice well enough". Where did you get the narrative that he didn't want to play yoru 😭😭

wasn't rumor like they want hime to more agnet also he was stuck on 3 agent fade breach kayo

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KClaw
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Skrossi wasn't as bad as people made him out to be

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Galactc [#37]

Fnc 2023 was never a superteam by definition

People think its a superteam because of their results, but a the time no, it wasnt considered a superteam

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Mingu
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KClaw [#39]

Skrossi wasn't as bad as people made him out to be

SkRossi is goated

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Galactc [#37]

Fnc 2023 was never a superteam by definition

1 master winner
1 good igl
1 dualist top 5 with aspas buzz yay in 2022 list
1 great initaior
1 unkown alfa but was demon on turkish server

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fr0ster0p [#42]

1 master winner
1 good igl
1 dualist top 5 with aspas buzz yay in 2022 list
1 great initaior
1 unkown alfa but was demon on turkish server

1 masters winner
The 2 biggest chokers of the time
2 unknowns
Can't be a superteam because only 1 player is actually established and proven to be one of the best

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Mingu
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KClaw [#34]

Holy glaze, get off the alt account demon1

??

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Galactc [#43]

1 masters winner
The 2 biggest chokers of the time
2 unknowns
Can't be a superteam because only 1 player is actually established and proven to be one of the best

how is leo unkown he was on guild not scrapped from rank and he was their best player

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fr0ster0p [#45]

how is leo unkown he was on guild not scrapped from rank and he was their best player

Guild did 1 thing ever and even if it was good failing to make champions after isn't helping either

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Galactc [#46]

Guild did 1 thing ever and even if it was good failing to make champions after isn't helping either

you said 2 unkown ok about alfa but how is leo unkown just saying guild had russ and koldamenta inting but leo was their best player saving theri ass

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