TLN this RRQ that

bro if they faced PRX they would get the same fate as RRQ rn

YUP

Yeah but talon is a better team than rrtejo

pepper ecks has never had an easier match is lowk real

do they not watch upper final ? 😭

yeah. T1 atleast played close matches.

Actually no Talon does have firepower to shoot back

Of course they would, PRX owned Pacific.

Nah, agree and disagree. I think all these assumptions are wrong the moment they start to think about who's going to win because people don't understand importance of Map Veto.
For fairness, I only played Country's Regional Overwatch matches and it's been a long time so I'm not comfortable to say how much it's matter in VALORANT too, but in those match at least my team and I can farm some people on Dorado as Ana or Route 66 and Mccree, but not Horizon.

Map Veto is likely equally important in VALORANT even with different system. Beside that, you need to understand the win conditions too, I say me on Ana and one of my friends on Soldier's performance in Dorado was the winning condition for the team. Back on VALORANT, You rather said the map vetos and compositions before convincing anyone any team could win. If it's in the same situation, for example, PRX likely ban Lotus and Corrode, TLN chose Bind and Haven while PRX get Ascent and Icebox with Sunset Remaining. With this Veto you can say TLN can win Bind and Haven if they solve their problems and they'll get thrashed on Icebox with Ascent being unknown. PRX likely win 2 out of 5 map already before playing and another three depends on how good TLN player is at the day.

But as I said you need to consider the win conditions too. TLN win conditions are basically just the flow. TLN likely win their Bind if they go with Double Duelist, Icebox heavily favor PRX with Crws being a factor, Haven is dependent between something and Jitboys, Ascent is just unknown but PRX show high-level of gameplay so TLN likely don't have many condition there, and lastly Sunset is depended on how they play.

All of this just to say this is all just assumption on one iteration of vetos, comps, and situation since since you never know situation on the day. What I said is the least you should say when you say any team is winning or losing. TLN can say they need to win first three map because that's their match win condition. How RRQ sweep is real because their win conditions is on the last two map that favor them and Xffero performance on Corrode. At the same time, TLN can have equal or less performance against PRX since their win conditions and vetos are likely equal or less than RRQ. These factors are a must-say to at least help determine the matter of the game and not just "this team this, that team that" exactly. But at least you should say "why" you think those argument of you are true because without a reason to back then it's just another "this team this, that team that."

Nah, agree and disagree. I think all these assumptions are wrong the moment they start to think about who's going to win because people don't understand importance of Map Veto.
For fairness, I only played Country's Regional Overwatch matches and it's been a long time so I'm not comfortable to say how much it's matter in VALORANT too, but in those match at least my team and I can farm some people on Dorado as Ana or Route 66 and Mccree, but not Horizon.

Map Veto is likely equally important in VALORANT even with different system. Beside that, you need to understand the win conditions too, I say me on Ana and one of my friends on Soldier's performance in Dorado was the winning condition for the team. Back on VALORANT, You rather said the map vetos and compositions before convincing anyone any team could win. If it's in the same situation, for example, PRX likely ban Lotus and Corrode, TLN chose Bind and Haven while PRX get Ascent and Icebox with Sunset Remaining. With this Veto you can say TLN can win Bind and Haven if they solve their problems and they'll get thrashed on Icebox with Ascent being unknown. PRX likely win 2 out of 5 map already before playing and another three depends on how good TLN player is at the day.

But as I said you need to consider the win conditions too. TLN win conditions are basically just the flow. TLN likely win their Bind if they go with Double Duelist, Icebox heavily favor PRX with Crws being a factor, Haven is dependent between something and Jitboys, Ascent is just unknown but PRX show high-level of gameplay so TLN likely don't have many condition there, and lastly Sunset is depended on how they play.

All of this just to say this is all just assumption on one iteration of vetos, comps, and situation since since you never know situation on the day. What I said is the least you should say when you say any team is winning or losing. TLN can say they need to win first three map because that's their match win condition. How RRQ sweep is real because their win conditions is on the last two map that favor them and Xffero performance on Corrode. At the same time, TLN can have equal or less performance against PRX since their win conditions and vetos are likely equal or less than RRQ. These factors are a must-say to at least help determine the matter of the game and not just "this team this, that team that" exactly. But at least you should say "why" you think those argument of you are true because without a reason to back then it's just another "this team this, that team that."

Nah, agree and disagree. I think all these assumptions are wrong the moment they start to think about who's going to win because people don't understand importance of Map Veto.
For fairness, I only played Country's Regional Overwatch matches and it's been a long time so I'm not comfortable to say how much it's matter in VALORANT too, but in those match at least my team and I can farm some people on Dorado as Ana or Route 66 and Mccree, but not Horizon.

Map Veto is likely equally important in VALORANT even with different system. Beside that, you need to understand the win conditions too, I say me on Ana and one of my friends on Soldier's performance in Dorado was the winning condition for the team. Back on VALORANT, You rather said the map vetos and compositions before convincing anyone any team could win. If it's in the same situation, for example, PRX likely ban Lotus and Corrode, TLN chose Bind and Haven while PRX get Ascent and Icebox with Sunset Remaining. With this Veto you can say TLN can win Bind and Haven if they solve their problems and they'll get thrashed on Icebox with Ascent being unknown. PRX likely win 2 out of 5 map already before playing and another three depends on how good TLN player is at the day.

But as I said you need to consider the win conditions too. TLN win conditions are basically just the flow. TLN likely win their Bind if they go with Double Duelist, Icebox heavily favor PRX with Crws being a factor, Haven is dependent between something and Jitboys, Ascent is just unknown but PRX show high-level of gameplay so TLN likely don't have many condition there, and lastly Sunset is depended on how they play.

All of this just to say this is all just assumption on one iteration of vetos, comps, and situation since since you never know situation on the day. What I said is the least you should say when you say any team is winning or losing. TLN can say they need to win first three map because that's their match win condition. How RRQ sweep is real because their win conditions is on the last two map that favor them and Xffero performance on Corrode. At the same time, TLN can have equal or less performance against PRX since their win conditions and vetos are likely equal or less than RRQ. These factors are a must-say to at least help determine the matter of the game and not just "this team this, that team that" exactly. But at least you should say "why" you think those argument of you are true because without a reason to back then it's just another "this team this, that team that."

Nah, agree and disagree. I think all these assumptions are wrong the moment they start to think about who's going to win because people don't understand importance of Map Veto.
For fairness, I only played Country's Regional Overwatch matches and it's been a long time so I'm not comfortable to say how much it's matter in VALORANT too, but in those match at least my team and I can farm some people on Dorado as Ana or Route 66 and Mccree, but not Horizon.

Map Veto is likely equally important in VALORANT even with different system. Beside that, you need to understand the win conditions too, I say me on Ana and one of my friends on Soldier's performance in Dorado was the winning condition for the team. Back on VALORANT, You rather said the map vetos and compositions before convincing anyone any team could win. If it's in the same situation, for example, PRX likely ban Lotus and Corrode, TLN chose Bind and Haven while PRX get Ascent and Icebox with Sunset Remaining. With this Veto you can say TLN can win Bind and Haven if they solve their problems and they'll get thrashed on Icebox with Ascent being unknown. PRX likely win 2 out of 5 map already before playing and another three depends on how good TLN player is at the day.

But as I said you need to consider the win conditions too. TLN win conditions are basically just the flow. TLN likely win their Bind if they go with Double Duelist, Icebox heavily favor PRX with Crws being a factor, Haven is dependent between something and Jitboys, Ascent is just unknown but PRX show high-level of gameplay so TLN likely don't have many condition there, and lastly Sunset is depended on how they play.

All of this just to say this is all just assumption on one iteration of vetos, comps, and situation since since you never know situation on the day. What I said is the least you should say when you say any team is winning or losing. TLN can say they need to win first three map because that's their match win condition. How RRQ sweep is real because their win conditions is on the last two map that favor them and Xffero performance on Corrode. At the same time, TLN can have equal or less performance against PRX since their win conditions and vetos are likely equal or less than RRQ. These factors are a must-say to at least help determine the matter of the game and not just "this team this, that team that" exactly. But at least you should say "why" you think those argument of you are true because without a reason to back then it's just another "this team this, that team that."

i don't think anyone expected talon to beat paper rex lol. I think it would've been nice to have talon qualify for champs instead of letting that bum termi win without doing anything