They have had multiple opportunities to do something at internationals, but they can't win for shit. Everybody would rather have a different team go to champs because they might actually win shit. Ik TH have made finals before, but if TH goes to champs, they are gonna get grouped or lose in finals. Nobody wants a Champions final where the winner is already decided.
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if they looked good recently, no one would have had any issue with them going to champs
pkkkk [#7]than why does no one hate kru that much like people do with th
kru still has a lot of haters
Sky1k [#4]they look like mibr so noone wants them at champs
MIBR went 5-0 in groups?
pkkkk [#7]than why does no one hate kru that much like people do with th
Kru gets grouped every time, they don't choke finals
Jokerr [#11]Kru gets grouped every time, they don't choke finals
"Everybody would rather have a different team go to champs because they might actually win shit." i meant this
They just look like shit right now and they don’t have the same proven record as a team in poor form like FNC who have won trophies before.
heretics hate is too overplayed it's actually unreal. a bunch of t2 kids from emea dogwalking your favorite teams in 2024 cant possibly have been this frustrating to you all
WhatTheHeckBoy [#8]id rather have th than mibr
Why do we have to do the 'would you rather'? I don't want either of those teams at champs, but alas, one slipped through.
Yistyy [#3]it's also cuz a lot of people count mickey ewc for some reason
They hated TH before EWC. Would you have called it a mickey if another team won? if so, then that's fine.
eKay [#19]it aint that deep they're just ass would rather have bbl giantx or navi
yeah send BBL and Navi
SudokuDude [#18]They hated TH before EWC. Would you have called it a mickey if another team won? if so, then that's fine.
if prx won ewc people would put them on the same level as 2023 fnc
SudokuDude [#18]They hated TH before EWC. Would you have called it a mickey if another team won? if so, then that's fine.
Would you have called it a mickey if another team won?
I always called it mickey. It's not an international riot hosted event on lan. We should always draw the line there. i heard some mfs yesterday say its legitimate cuz of prize pool. if we do that now the criteria is extremely blurry and you can call any event real now.
pkkkk [#14]"Everybody would rather have a different team go to champs because they might actually win shit." i meant this
I would argue that Kru is treated similarly, but they only make champions and get grouped, so they don't really get a spotlight shone on them as much.
Two_Percent [#22]if prx won ewc people would put them on the same level as 2023 fnc
EWC is an offseason event regardless of your opinion on it. You won't find me treating Sen City Classic / SOOP as a normal international.
Jokerr [#25]EWC is an offseason event regardless of your opinion on it. You won't find me treating Sen City Classic / SOOP as a normal international.
EWC definitely holds more weight than sen city or soop lol... not as much as a masters but it still is a trophy
Jokerr [#24]I would argue that Kru is treated similarly, but they only make champions and get grouped, so they don't really get a spotlight shone on them as much.
fair enough
Two_Percent [#26]EWC definitely holds more weight than sen city or soop lol... not as much as a masters but it still is a trophy
An offseason event is an offseason event. Just because a girl does OF does not mean she is not a strip------. You get what I mean.
Yistyy [#23]Would you have called it a mickey if another team won?
I always called it mickey. It's not an international riot hosted event on lan. We should always draw the line there. i heard some mfs yesterday say its legitimate cuz of prize pool. if we do that now the criteria is extremely blurry and you can call any event real now.
Okay that's fair then.
Jokerr [#28]An offseason event is an offseason event. Just because a girl does OF does not mean she is not a strip------. You get what I mean.
Just because a girl does OF does not mean she is not a strip------
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also yes it is an offseason event but I would say its similar to lock in bc almost every t1 team played to qualify, and only g2 and drx were playing with subs. Format was kinda weird but if you look back to like some 2021 tournaments or lock in then ewc doesnt look completely out of place. Just because it isnt directly from riot doesnt mean it holds any different weight to if riot held that exact tournament. Ofc its not a masters but I still think its a trophy nonetheless and should be considered as such
maybe one of the other EMEA teams should have made grand finals then idk what to tell u
Two_Percent [#30]Just because a girl does OF does not mean she is not a strip------
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also yes it is an offseason event but I would say its similar to lock in bc almost every t1 team played to qualify, and only g2 and drx were playing with subs. Format was kinda weird but if you look back to like some 2021 tournaments or lock in then ewc doesnt look completely out of place. Just because it isnt directly from riot doesnt mean it holds any different weight to if riot held that exact tournament. Ofc its not a masters but I still think its a trophy nonetheless and should be considered as such
IDK, a couple of years from now, no one will remember offseason event winners. The only thing that matters is masters and champs. You might still remember, but others won't.
Jokerr [#32]IDK, a couple of years from now, no one will remember offseason event winners. The only thing that matters is masters and champs. You might still remember, but others won't.
if you say so beast
before prx won ppl didnt have them, it think the hate only started after prx won which showed TH are the only chokers l;eftr
Yistyy [#23]Would you have called it a mickey if another team won?
I always called it mickey. It's not an international riot hosted event on lan. We should always draw the line there. i heard some mfs yesterday say its legitimate cuz of prize pool. if we do that now the criteria is extremely blurry and you can call any event real now.
Yeah we called EWC Mickey mousey before it even began so it doesn't matter which team won it unless it was PRX then we would be ratioed.
Two_Percent [#30]Just because a girl does OF does not mean she is not a strip------
????????????
also yes it is an offseason event but I would say its similar to lock in bc almost every t1 team played to qualify, and only g2 and drx were playing with subs. Format was kinda weird but if you look back to like some 2021 tournaments or lock in then ewc doesnt look completely out of place. Just because it isnt directly from riot doesnt mean it holds any different weight to if riot held that exact tournament. Ofc its not a masters but I still think its a trophy nonetheless and should be considered as such
there's no logic in this. you're basically saying if a 3rd party hosts an event after champs in the offseason, as long as every team is invited it is a legitimate trophy.
Yistyy [#37]there's no logic in this. you're basically saying if a 3rd party hosts an event after champs in the offseason, as long as every team is invited it is a legitimate trophy.
No, it happened during the regular season, used a pretty normal format, had the majority of t1 teams, and for the most part functioned as a regular tournament. I'm not arguing that its a masters, but if we compare it to like lock in the only difference is that its not hosted by riot. If the tournament itself played similar enough to a regular tournament, and the teams were trying as hard to win (which for 95% of teams, they were), then yes it's a legitimate trophy
Obsidian_Echo_Alt [#2]if they looked good recently, no one would have had any issue with them going to champs
They didn't look really good when they went out of the playoffs 0-2 without winning a single map
Two_Percent [#39]No, it happened during the regular season, used a pretty normal format, had the majority of t1 teams, and for the most part functioned as a regular tournament. I'm not arguing that its a masters, but if we compare it to like lock in the only difference is that its not hosted by riot. If the tournament itself played similar enough to a regular tournament, and the teams were trying as hard to win (which for 95% of teams, they were), then yes it's a legitimate trophy
- It didn't happen during the regular season, which is why it is called an offseason event.
- It did not have the majority of teams (no international has had the majority except for Lock IN). 16/48 is a minority.
- It did function like a regular tournament, but SOOP and Sen City Classic did as well.
- Teams were also trying as hard to win (which, for 95% of teams, they were), in SOOP and Sen City Classic. You cannot prove/disprove that teams were trying hard to win or not unless they are clearly throwing.
- It is a legitimate trophy, just an offseason one. It's fine to feel proud of it, but also in the grand scheme of things, it is worthless.
Jokerr [#41]
- It didn't happen during the regular season, which is why it is called an offseason event.
- It did not have the majority of teams (no international has had the majority except for Lock IN). 16/48 is a minority.
- It did function like a regular tournament, but SOOP and Sen City Classic did as well.
- Teams were also trying as hard to win (which, for 95% of teams, they were), in SOOP and Sen City Classic. You cannot prove/disprove that teams were trying hard to win or not unless they are clearly throwing.
- It is a legitimate trophy, just an offseason one. It's fine to feel proud of it, but also in the grand scheme of things, it is worthless.
- It literally happened in the regular season, between toronto and stage 2. Its not part of the vct season but it happened during the season
- A majority of teams had the opportunity to qualify, and 16 is the same number as champs
- Soop and sen city actually happen during the offseason when the stakes are a lot lower and teams are just testing rosters/having fun. Plus theyre partially invitationals and have a mix of a few t1 and t2 teams. A good amount of teams dont even participate bc they are actually building a roster
- Yes but the stakes were lower and it was with new rosters, so teams dont actively prep nearly as much. Sen in the 2023-24 off season looked pretty good, but they really stepped up in 2024. Heretics looked way worse before ewc, whereas after ewc heading back into stage 2 they looked another step up
- Like I said, you don't seem to understand the words during and part. It's not part of the official vct season, but it happened during it. The trophy is not going to be as memorable/impactful as a masters/champs, but it is definitely not worthless LOL.
Jokerr [#28]An offseason event is an offseason event. Just because a girl does OF does not mean she is not a strip------. You get what I mean.
That was the most stupid argument I've ever seen in vlr here ever. Learn how to argue like a sentient being.
TBH, i don't hate TH, i just dislike them because they are the type of players that I most dislike: big mouth, bad performance. They reached a bunch of Grand Finals, but they always choke except for the EWC, mostly because of FNATIC choke's too. Okay, they made a great comeback and earned the trophy, but they still underperforms when they have to prove themselves.
They should stop acting like they were the best team of the world (because they're not even the best EMEA team) and focused on their game. Less talk, more trophies.
Tater_ [#40]They didn't look really good when they went out of the playoffs 0-2 without winning a single map
yeah thats what i said ... IF they looked good
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