If you were the GM/HC of Liquid, are you making changes or are you chalking this failure up to lack of time and running it back with the full 5?
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Lack of time is the most reasonable, besides from serial being sadly kind of mid.
Minimalist [#2]Im changing Serial atleast. Theres gotta be better players out there.
I agree, this games too fast paced to wait for players to ‘develop’. We need players with game winning mentalities.
-Serial
-P0titek
+2 of Sheydos, Cloud, Trexx (steal em from other teams if possible. They will gladly want to join)
keiko kamo and nats stay. pati and serial prolly look for upgrades but idk how much Pati helps in IGLing and stuff
sentinelmain377 [#5]-Serial
-P0titek+2 of Sheydos, Cloud, Trexx (steal em from other teams if possible. They will gladly want to join)
honestly good take, sheydos needs help...
I do like pati tho, but yea serial does too many mistakes, there has to be upgrades for him
Trexx is the perfect player for them role wise but yeah that boy needs to be disciplined
sentinelmain377 [#5]-Serial
-P0titek+2 of Sheydos, Cloud, Trexx (steal em from other teams if possible. They will gladly want to join)
Cloud finally being on a good team would be amazing, doubt it happens but that would be awesome
goat1594 [#11]Is Verno someone you'd want on the team if he became a F/A? (He mentioned he had offers from EMEA and considered them before going to MIBR)
i mean why not great player
rhythmots [#4]I agree, this games too fast paced to wait for players to ‘develop’. We need players with game winning mentalities.
you let a prodigy develop this guy wasnt a prodigy or anything he was one of the top players in Spain but not wow or anything to let him develop youre more likely doing this to a Lar0k or loita or something
-Serial
+Trexx or Ardiis
Nats will keep trexx in line and ardiis seems stupid on his stream but his teammates always speak good about him
sentinelmain377 [#5]-Serial
-P0titek+2 of Sheydos, Cloud, Trexx (steal em from other teams if possible. They will gladly want to join)
Cloud w pickup
Minimalist [#14]you let a prodigy develop this guy wasnt a prodigy or anything he was one of the top players in Spain but not wow or anything to let him develop youre more likely doing this to a Lar0k or loita or something
Players like Verno, Kajaak, etc are the type you let develop and just push through the growing pains but Serial has played 15 matches at this point and hasn't shown he can take his game to another level
goat1594 [#11]Is Verno someone you'd want on the team if he became a F/A? (He mentioned he had offers from EMEA and considered them before going to MIBR)
i feel like if you want verno you have to get rid of patitek
lack of time has been the biggest killer for this team, i think the serial hate is extremely overstated when hes been forced into uncomfortable roles & you often see him put himself in compromising positions to help everyone else on the team, and hes still very new to t1. imo it makes the most sense to stick with this team for stage 2 no matter what, they have good chemistry and they're likely guaranteed top 4 and a place at champs and then whatever happens happens - though keiko & nats are the only players who should be guaranteed a spot next year. my dream player is riens lol but i assume heretics are very unwilling to let any of their players go even if they dont make champs (unlikely)
shrike- [#20]i feel like if you want verno you have to get rid of patitek
You absolutely do that. Pati isn't even the 2nd caller, it's Keiko. He’s just a vibes merchant, and Nats has developed into a very vocal leader. The rest of the team has good vibes, Verno can help with calling as well like he does on MIBR + he has seemed to not be as emo anymore.
goat1594 [#22]You absolutely do that. Pati isn't even the 2nd caller, it's Keiko. He’s just a vibes merchant, and Nats has developed into a very vocal leader. The rest of the team has good vibes, Verno can help with calling as well like he does on MIBR + he has seemed to not be as emo anymore.
biggest fear i would have about verno is him being a problematic guy just like trexx
goat1594 [#11]Is Verno someone you'd want on the team if he became a F/A? (He mentioned he had offers from EMEA and considered them before going to MIBR)
I think after Kamyk, they are done with selfish players.
beaverboii [#23]biggest fear i would have about verno is him being a problematic guy just like trexx
That's fair but he's also much younger which is more excusable and easier to fix. I think nAts and the Liquid coaching staff is a good environment for him to grow, he's been put in 2 really hard situations in T1 so far. There was never any issues with him on OXG, he was on the team for over 3 years.
RGIncredible [#24]I think after Kamyk, they are done with selfish players.
Verno playing his life on Sova and Tejo = selfish
goat1594 [#26]Verno playing his life on Sova and Tejo = selfish
What i meant with that was TL wants good Comms and good Vibes, Verno has neither of it.
RGIncredible [#27]What i meant with that was TL wants good Comms and good Vibes, Verno has neither of it.
Have you been gone since kickoff? He's the secondary caller and has been Co-IGLing on MIBR + is always yelling and talking to his teammates in their comm videos
goat1594 [#28]Have you been gone since kickoff? He's the secondary caller and has been Co-IGLing on MIBR + is always yelling and talking to his teammates in their comm videos
Well my bad, i didnt see any comms from them, but obv his vibes are not it when you get kicked out from a team after you performed well. Its legit the same with Kamyk, he got kicked as well while being one of their best players. Im not saying Verno is an downgrade at all, he is an insane player.
RGIncredible [#29]Well my bad, i didnt see any comms from them, but obv his vibes are not it when you get kicked out from a team after you performed well. Its legit the same with Kamyk, he got kicked as well while being one of their best players. Im not saying Verno is an downgrade at all, he is an insane player.
I hear you, but to be fair, though, we don't know if he has even been kicked from MIBR or not. It’s all speculation. I think if anything, it's more likely if anything happens it was a mutual parting due to comms and the members not wanting to comm in English. He is very close with Aspas (he currently lives with him), and he ultimately has the say on the roster. I doubt he'd want Verno kicked for the person he is, and it's more so that the rest of the roster is struggling with not comming in Portuguese so the better solution is to let Verno go to a different org and get the rest of the team comfortable before Champs once again. This is all me just speculating based off them bombing out of the event.
goat1594 [#30]I hear you, but to be fair, though, we don't know if he has even been kicked from MIBR or not. It’s all speculation. I think if anything, it's more likely if anything happens it was a mutual parting due to comms and the members not wanting to comm in English. He is very close with Aspas (he currently lives with him), and he ultimately has the say on the roster. I doubt he'd want Verno kicked for the person he is, and it's more so that the rest of the roster is struggling with not comming in Portuguese so the better solution is to let Verno go to a different org and get the rest of the team comfortable before Champs once again. This is all me just speculating based off them bombing out of the event.
Im talking about him being kicked from NRG, FNS said that alot of shit outside the game happened.
RGIncredible [#31]Im talking about him being kicked from NRG, FNS said that alot of shit outside the game happened.
There's always 2 sides to every story, there has been zero indications of him ever having issues on MIBR or OXG. If you want to just believe everything FNS says then cool. He also had issues with Bonkar and now he's back to being the HC. We are talking about an 18yo btw there's allowed to be growing pains.
zyzyck [#21]lack of time has been the biggest killer for this team, i think the serial hate is extremely overstated when hes been forced into uncomfortable roles & you often see him put himself in compromising positions to help everyone else on the team, and hes still very new to t1. imo it makes the most sense to stick with this team for stage 2 no matter what, they have good chemistry and they're likely guaranteed top 4 and a place at champs and then whatever happens happens - though keiko & nats are the only players who should be guaranteed a spot next year. my dream player is riens lol but i assume heretics are very unwilling to let any of their players go even if they dont make champs (unlikely)
The only way to price some1 out of TH is with a fat transfer fee and falcons don’t have a valorant team so not happening
honestly i think that changes should happen, but liquid went from missing out on every event last year to making both so far (minus ewc). from a results based standpoint they prob keep the roster. if i was the gm tho i would be actively searching from replacements for at least serial. they need someone with more firepower
goat1594 [#32]There's always 2 sides to every story, there has been zero indications of him ever having issues on MIBR or OXG. If you want to just believe everything FNS says then cool. He also had issues with Bonkar and now he's back to being the HC. We are talking about an 18yo btw there's allowed to be growing pains.
That is true, but i dont see Verno getting dropped from MIBR anyways.
RGIncredible [#35]That is true, but i dont see Verno getting dropped from MIBR anyways.
I agree, he won't be dropped but I could see them parting ways in the offseason so they can have a full Portuguese speaking roster.
Liquid looked off in their first match of Stage 1 but after that, they looked like one of the best teams out there, always bringing something new with each week. I think if there was any team that would have been hit worse for lack of prep time, it was Liquid. And they not only had that but also had all the insane stuff with nats' visa issues, running comps with no practice etc. They did well enough in Toronto, considering, though I am sure they won't feel that way for a while after how the PRX game went down.
There might be changes but I don't think TL is likely to do that. Then again, the -Kamyk move also came out of nowhere, so who knows. Maybe if this fake comeback shakes their team synergy?
Though I think it is obvious to everyone that TL is in dire need of an actual flex player. Serial is a good sentinel but other than that, he hasn't shown more convincing performances. TL could cover that with their double senti+Tejo comps but that won't happen now.
Stormbreakers [#37]Liquid looked off in their first match of Stage 1 but after that, they looked like one of the best teams out there, always bringing something new with each week. I think if there was any team that would have been hit worse for lack of prep time, it was Liquid. And they not only had that but also had all the insane stuff with nats' visa issues, running comps with no practice etc. They did well enough in Toronto, considering, though I am sure they won't feel that way for a while after how the PRX game went down.
There might be changes but I don't think TL is likely to do that. Then again, the -Kamyk move also came out of nowhere, so who knows. Maybe if this fake comeback shakes their team synergy?
Though I think it is obvious to everyone that TL is in dire need of an actual flex player. Serial is a good sentinel but other than that, he hasn't shown more convincing performances. TL could cover that with their double senti+Tejo comps but that won't happen now.
tbf the -kamyk was rumoured to of happened because of internal issues, so unless like you said this somehow shakes their team synergy, i cant imagine them making any changes with (albeit from an outside perspective) the chemistry looking pretty good & decentish results
zyzyck [#38]tbf the -kamyk was rumoured to of happened because of internal issues, so unless like you said this somehow shakes their team synergy, i cant imagine them making any changes with (albeit from an outside perspective) the chemistry looking pretty good & decentish results
I don't even think this result will create a bad vibe in the team synergy but I was just throwing out a scenario in which a change cıuld happened, not that I think it's likely. That's why I don't personally think -Serial is happening (this year at least) or Penny is a long-term thing for the team either.
Stormbreakers [#39]I don't even think this result will create a bad vibe in the team synergy but I was just throwing out a scenario in which a change cıuld happened, not that I think it's likely. That's why I don't personally think -Serial is happening (this year at least) or Penny is a long-term thing for the team either.
yeah for sure, i cant see them changing anything until next year. hopefully make champs and then see what happens
shadowvlr [#34]honestly i think that changes should happen, but liquid went from missing out on every event last year to making both so far (minus ewc). from a results based standpoint they prob keep the roster. if i was the gm tho i would be actively searching from replacements for at least serial. they need someone with more firepower
the only reason they didnt attend any event last year was cuz they werent allowed to make roster changes mid season but now they can.
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