everyone saying drop Serial and patitek, which two players will replace these two??
Leo...
Cloud
Sheydos
maybe some tier 2 talent
maybe Kicks if he leaves VIT
you know what... even if they lose to MIBR today, just keep the roster and try to improve more, patitek bro you should play more dm
i think they need to change serial, but idk for who so yea. But its also his first season in Tier 1 I think? So maybe he just need to adapt. But yea it would be good for them if they just improve as a whole roster.
Why did they remove kamyk in the first place serial is a better flex than kamyk but it was too early to get serial in + patitek should not be removed he is one of the best support players in the world very few ppl play hard support roles like him .
z4kr9 [#3]Why did they remove kamyk in the first place serial is a better flex than kamyk but it was too early to get serial in + patitek should not be removed he is one of the best support players in the world very few ppl play hard support roles like him .
exactly
imo they need to get rid of Serial asap-Kamo as well (hes been decent but their are so many top tier duelists now that having a mid one isnt viable anymore) pati does a lot for the team so unless their is a good 2nd caller like Cloud id keep him for the time being
people here are so reactionary it's driving me nuts. So many keep hating on Serial, even though this is his first year in T1, not everyone is going to have an insane debut.
Also do people not realize that changing players too often can be just as detrimental as sticking with the same roster for too long
z4kr9 [#3]Why did they remove kamyk in the first place serial is a better flex than kamyk but it was too early to get serial in + patitek should not be removed he is one of the best support players in the world very few ppl play hard support roles like him .
Probably some internal issues
Hades_Loves_Rb [#5]imo they need to get rid of Serial asap-Kamo as well (hes been decent but their are so many top tier duelists now that having a mid one isnt viable anymore) pati does a lot for the team so unless their is a good 2nd caller like Cloud id keep him for the time being
idk what you're on, Kamo is actually not bad. He might have not performed well against BLG but he's still one of the best duelists in EMEA
Pappkopf [#10]No one expected Liquid making 2 masters, just keep all the players
That's not how things work sadly. Liquid isnt really poverty org. If they can see potential with better players.
And liquid can pull big names.
Ronyko23 [#12]That's not how things work sadly. Liquid isnt really poverty org. If they can see potential with better players.
And liquid can pull big names.
Same can be said for NRG and Vit but that did not work out as expected, now did it? Do NOT get me wrong, I see your point, but having good vibes and synergy between the players and comfortable roles is just as important
When will people learn that Serial is mechanically a solid player, who is flexing into roles that don't make hero plays and aren't flashy. Executing his job requires a lot of holding and making sure they don't have gaps. You could argue he "naturally" doesn't fit into a more supportive / gap filling role.
For 2026 i would only keep coaching staff, Nats and Keiko. Rest can be upgraded.
Act like FNC in 2023. Be ruthless. If you can make upgrades.. do it.
Congo1 [#15]For 2026 i would only keep coaching staff, Nats and Keiko. Rest can be upgraded.
Act like FNC in 2023. Be ruthless. If you can make upgrades.. do it.
I think I agree, the market in emea might go crazy during the offseason so they have a good chance at getting insane players who are already in T1, and T2 is still filles with players with great potential
Congo1 [#15]For 2026 i would only keep coaching staff, Nats and Keiko. Rest can be upgraded.
Act like FNC in 2023. Be ruthless. If you can make upgrades.. do it.
I agree but you defo keep kamo aswell hes good af no need to replace him.
mu guess is kamyk didnt want to play double senti comps and coaching staff of liquid wanted to play that style so they parted ways
waseetali9 [#18]mu guess is kamyk didnt want to play double senti comps and coaching staff of liquid wanted to play that style so they parted ways
I think double senti is more so to keep people on comfort roles when possible, rather than the cause of the roster change
People saying drop Serial are Cluegi. Playing new roles and he's steadily improving, give him time
Ghostjinn [#20]People saying drop Serial are Cluegi. Playing new roles and he's steadily improving, give him time
Estrella of Liquid. He isnt gonna magically turn into keiko 2.0. You can see top tier mech .skills in kamo even when he is not fragging.
one_question_acc [#19]I think double senti is more so to keep people on comfort roles when possible, rather than the cause of the roster change
but they picked up a sentinel player when they already had nats your point is also not wrong
Ronyko23 [#21]Estrella of Liquid. He isnt gonna magically turn into keiko 2.0. You can see top tier mech .skills in kamo even when he is not fragging.
serial has the potential to be a top tier rifler but people are not ready for this convo
one_question_acc [#23]serial has the potential to be a top tier rifler but people are not ready for this convo
Elite is that guy imo. You can see the calm aim even when he started slow for kc.
one_question_acc [#23]serial has the potential to be a top tier rifler but people are not ready for this convo
I know why you're saying that and I agree but it only happens once in 50 rounds so it's not enough at all
one_question_acc [#8]people here are so reactionary it's driving me nuts. So many keep hating on Serial, even though this is his first year in T1, not everyone is going to have an insane debut.
Also do people not realize that changing players too often can be just as detrimental as sticking with the same roster for too long
People shouldnt judge Liquid too much from this tournament aswell. They have had like zero practice with full roster rn
MrBlooBloom [#25]I know why you're saying that and I agree but it only happens once in 50 rounds so it's not enough at all
Kc main problem is bad igling & mid rounding. And top that with some harbor fetish. On similar boat with fpx cn. STacked team on paper but struggling to make shit work.
Minimalist [#17]I agree but you defo keep kamo aswell hes good af no need to replace him.
He is good but not great. You should try and sign a Comeback, Sayf level Duelist
ts is a highbait, if you watch the vlogs you can see that Liquid is not that team that constantly changes its players
On paper there was 0 reason to kick kamyk, and those defending Serial haven't seen their comms videos mf is lost, it feels like they just took the highest headshot percentage player in challengers + a small sample size for his great stats and used that to justify the roster move and it's not like kamyk is bad mechanically dude is insane.
Also now that Tejo is out of the meta they can't just stick Patitek on that role anymore, instead Pati is forced to play Scan agents that he hasn't played at all in Pro matches, instead of kamyk taking the role of scan initiator/senti
Congo1 [#29]He is good but not great. You should try and sign a Comeback, Sayf level Duelist
Izzy is better than kamo %100
just go for him and watch how he destroys half of EMEA teams alone
if they gonna change Serial and patitek, change also kamo what i am trying to say btw
Ronyko23 [#28]Kc main problem is bad igling & mid rounding. And top that with some harbor fetish. On similar boat with fpx cn. STacked team on paper but struggling to make shit work.
You're answering to the wrong comment aren't you
z4kr9 [#3]Why did they remove kamyk in the first place serial is a better flex than kamyk but it was too early to get serial in + patitek should not be removed he is one of the best support players in the world very few ppl play hard support roles like him .
apparently he baited too hard they dropped him(ardiis said that everytime u watch him hes last alive and mentioned that its possibly the reason )
BongBreaker [#11]idk what you're on, Kamo is actually not bad. He might have not performed well against BLG but he's still one of the best duelists in EMEA
Kamo is really not that good honestly. He seems to kind of only perform on the Jett, and he had some good performances on the Waylay stage 1. Might be nerves, might be something else that I'm missing, but he's not super flexible, and overall is not playing well - at least on the duelist. Keiko outshines him every time they play the double duelist.
IGotAnswers [#27]Nats and sheydos on one team again is my dream
Add chronicle there as well
Gutssz [#32]Izzy is better than kamo %100
just go for him and watch how he destroys half of EMEA teams aloneif they gonna change Serial and patitek, change also kamo what i am trying to say btw
as of this moment if i have to sort by quality i would say:
S-tier: Nats, Keiko
B-tier: Kamo
C-tier: Patitek, Serial
C is a must. B should also be improvable. I would try for comeback if Mates cant keep him first or Sayf. If you cant get them look for whoever performs the best in T2 from the really young guys for the rest of the year. Izzy is really good. He is an option. Advantage for Kamo however is flexibility and team chemistry. He does some calling. So Izzy will have to frag much better to replace him.
Congo1 [#37]as of this moment if i have to sort by quality i would say:
S-tier: Nats, Keiko
B-tier: Kamo
C-tier: Patitek, SerialC is a must. B should also be improvable. I would try for comeback if Mates cant keep him first or Sayf. If you cant get them look for whoever performs the best in T2 from the really young guys for the rest of the year. Izzy is really good. He is an option. Advantage for Kamo however is flexibility and team chemistry. He does some calling. So Izzy will have to frag much better to replace him.
i don't think sayf ever goes back to TL, that's if they want him after all the drama
one_question_acc [#38]i don't think sayf ever goes back to TL, that's if they want him after all the drama
If you can get one of the best duelists in the world you do it. I doubt the relationship is this terrible. He is mad, sure. But nobody was murdered here.
one_question_acc [#23]serial has the potential to be a top tier rifler but people are not ready for this convo
elite is way better than him
hell I'd even say hiro is doing better in n0vi
laifu [#31]On paper there was 0 reason to kick kamyk, and those defending Serial haven't seen their comms videos mf is lost, it feels like they just took the highest headshot percentage player in challengers + a small sample size for his great stats and used that to justify the roster move and it's not like kamyk is bad mechanically dude is insane.
Also now that Tejo is out of the meta they can't just stick Patitek on that role anymore, instead Pati is forced to play Scan agents that he hasn't played at all in Pro matches, instead of kamyk taking the role of scan initiator/senti
now that I watched the comms holy fuck Liquid are cooked in the long run
Ronyko23 [#24]Elite is that guy imo. You can see the calm aim even when he started slow for kc.
elite already has been a top 3 rated player in emea. He has proven it already
delighted [#41]now that I watched the comms holy fuck Liquid are cooked in the long run
They will not play this roster in 2026. Everyone knows that
Congo1 [#43]They will not play this roster in 2026. Everyone knows that
hopefully they continue with penny 😭🙏
delighted [#44]hopefully they continue with penny 😭🙏
No they will not. Buty penny looks deserving of a T1 spot in americas. Someone should give him a shot
Congo1 [#45]No they will not. Buty penny looks deserving of a T1 spot in americas. Someone should give him a shot
unfortunately NA orgs don't know shit about which player is good or bad so no one is picking penny up, atp he should just move to CS esports, NA orgs would do anything to get someone mechanically gifted like him from their home region
Congo1 [#39]If you can get one of the best duelists in the world you do it. I doubt the relationship is this terrible. He is mad, sure. But nobody was murdered here.
Yes but I rather not see the team implode because of players not being happy on the team, like in vitality.
Roly05 [#35]Kamo is really not that good honestly. He seems to kind of only perform on the Jett, and he had some good performances on the Waylay stage 1. Might be nerves, might be something else that I'm missing, but he's not super flexible, and overall is not playing well - at least on the duelist. Keiko outshines him every time they play the double duelist.
His Waylay has been S tier. A good Neon, very good Jett and a good Yoru.
But most importantly he's vocal and helps with some of the pre rounds so I don't think he needs to go tbh.
Kamo - Keiko - nAts is a good enough core imo
0kze0 [#48]Yes but I rather not see the team implode because of players not being happy on the team, like in vitality.
what? Thats not the reason the team imploded. The IGLing is just bad. They could get away with it early in the season because every team played bad but not anymore.
If anything trexx was at fault anyway. The rest of the team agrees with that perspective.
Sayf played perfectly fine on last years vitality. The only time he had disagreements was with a washed redgar. And that happens all the time in teams.
The sayf hate train has cemented so many false ideas in the heads of people.
one_question_acc [#13]Same can be said for NRG and Vit but that did not work out as expected, now did it? Do NOT get me wrong, I see your point, but having good vibes and synergy between the players and comfortable roles is just as important
I'd argue it's more important than raw mechanics tbh.
Else it'll be a slopfest with comms being all over the place and trust issues like Vitality.
2024 Heretics are a good example for this as well.
one_question_acc [#13]Same can be said for NRG and Vit but that did not work out as expected, now did it? Do NOT get me wrong, I see your point, but having good vibes and synergy between the players and comfortable roles is just as important
and the assumption is that the current rosters vibes would be better than one with other players why exactly?
SnowiFIN [#14]When will people learn that Serial is mechanically a solid player, who is flexing into roles that don't make hero plays and aren't flashy. Executing his job requires a lot of holding and making sure they don't have gaps. You could argue he "naturally" doesn't fit into a more supportive / gap filling role.
Exactly. I mean he hasn't even played bad though. Stats don't speak everything, he has been flexing on roles he had not played before and he doesn't over heat, seems like a super chill guy who would be very easy to coach from his interviews and comms.
So I'd rather liquid develop him and the roster than drop anyone
Congo1 [#50]what? Thats not the reason the team imploded. The IGLing is just bad. They could get away with it early in the season because every team played bad but not anymore.
If anything trexx was at fault anyway. The rest of the team agrees with that perspective.
Sayf played perfectly fine on last years vitality. The only time he had disagreements was with a washed redgar. And that happens all the time in teams.
The sayf hate train has cemented so many false ideas in the heads of people.
The sayf hate train has cemented so many false ideas in the heads of people.
Maybe, but then again, are we sure he would be happy on duelist on any team? For some reason he seems to be constantly dodging his seemingly best role until no longer possible
Congo1 [#52]and the assumption is that the current rosters vibes would be better than one with other players why exactly?
I'd say mostly because they've played together for longer. What I'm saying is that another roster switch mid-season might be detrimental to them
one_question_acc [#54]The sayf hate train has cemented so many false ideas in the heads of people.
Maybe, but then again, are we sure he would be happy on duelist on any team? For some reason he seems to be constantly dodging his seemingly best role until no longer possible
he "dodged it" because fucking Derke was on the market. Of course a flexible player like him would just take another role.
BTW this recent narrative that he can only frag on duelist is also verifiably false. His entire career he has been a top tier fragger on multiple roles. Even as late as this very year he fragged out on inis. He just moved to duelist because he was mechanically much better than his teammates in Liquid & Vitality and as you know you can leverage your aim better with your gun out.
The only issue with Sayf is his IGLing. he just isnt good at that. Plus his coach is a bum. Lohan gives Nats a big stratbook for every map every week. Faded just does fuck all.
one_question_acc [#55]I'd say mostly because they've played together for longer. What I'm saying is that another roster switch mid-season might be detrimental to them
Oh yeah, i'm arguing for a roster swap into 2026 mosly. This year is more complicated but honestly i wouldnt be shocked if it worked with the right players.
If they could i would bring in Sayf for Stage 2 100% no doubt.
Congo1 [#56]he "dodged it" because fucking Derke was on the market. Of course a flexible player like him would just take another role.
BTW this recent narrative that he can only frag on duelist is also verifiably false. His entire career he has been a top tier fragger on multiple roles. Even as late as this very year he fragged out on inis. He just moved to duelist because he was mechanically much better than his teammates in Liquid & Vitality and as you know you can leverage your aim better with your gun out.
The only issue with Sayf is his IGLing. he just isnt good at that. Plus his coach is a bum. Lohan gives Nats a big stratbook for every map every week. Faded just does fuck all.
I was not talking about the 2025 season, but rather 2023 and 2024, when he both times started the year as flex, and while he was not bad on flex, I'd say it's fairly obvious that his had the most impact on duelist. I mean the reason vit was at champs in 2024 was in big part thanks to his duelist, no?
one_question_acc [#58]I was not talking about the 2025 season, but rather 2023 and 2024, when he both times started the year as flex, and while he was not bad on flex, I'd say it's fairly obvious that his had the most impact on duelist. I mean the reason vit was at champs in 2024 was in big part thanks to his duelist, no?
He was insane beginning of 2024 for Vitality on flex. Issue was runner heavy underperforming on duelist. The switch made a lot of sense for Runners performance also.
I agree he is best on duelist but i see him as world class on other roles too.
On Liquid you would fix all his issues: He gets a strong coach with Lohan with an established system with a strong IGL in Nats. Currently he could both be an amazing replacement for Serial on flex and Kamo on duelist. I do think serial is the bigger weakpoint right now so there is the reasonable tendency to put him on flex.
I am thoroughly convinced that Liquid would turn into a champs winning contender with Sayf added.
Congo1 [#59]He was insane beginning of 2024 for Vitality on flex. Issue was runner heavy underperforming on duelist. The switch made a lot of sense for Runners performance also.
I agree he is best on duelist but i see him as world class on other roles too.
On Liquid you would fix all his issues: He gets a strong coach with Lohan with an established system with a strong IGL in Nats. Currently he could both be an amazing replacement for Serial on flex and Kamo on duelist. I do think serial is the bigger weakpoint right now so there is the reasonable tendency to put him on flex.
I am thoroughly convinced that Liquid would turn into a champs winning contender with Sayf added.
I mean, I do see your points, and regardless atp I'm convinced that with enough time and a good budget Lohan and yaotzin can build a winning roster
one_question_acc [#60]I mean, I do see your points, and regardless atp I'm convinced that with enough time and a good budget Lohan and yaotzin can build a winning roster
this year they went full budget roster. Next year i could see the org convince to spend big since they have something to build on. Meaning so far Lohan has been financially restricted. I hope the show ambition. All they lack is a bit more player quality.
Congo1 [#37]as of this moment if i have to sort by quality i would say:
S-tier: Nats, Keiko
B-tier: Kamo
C-tier: Patitek, SerialC is a must. B should also be improvable. I would try for comeback if Mates cant keep him first or Sayf. If you cant get them look for whoever performs the best in T2 from the really young guys for the rest of the year. Izzy is really good. He is an option. Advantage for Kamo however is flexibility and team chemistry. He does some calling. So Izzy will have to frag much better to replace him.
Izzy easily can frag much better but yeah you are right about kamo's flexibility, still Izzy is top tier Yoru-Jett-Raze player (also he has a Cypher experience recently) also his Chamber is just S tier
Roly05 [#35]Kamo is really not that good honestly. He seems to kind of only perform on the Jett, and he had some good performances on the Waylay stage 1. Might be nerves, might be something else that I'm missing, but he's not super flexible, and overall is not playing well - at least on the duelist. Keiko outshines him every time they play the double duelist.
kamo literally plays all the duelists as a good level and can even flex on gekko (but hes ass at that im ngl)
Itsover [#36]Add chronicle there as well
I say bring redgar back and also that one duelist from Gambit
Congo1 [#45]No they will not. Buty penny looks deserving of a T1 spot in americas. Someone should give him a shot
if i speak
Tanmayyy [#65]if i speak
yes i heard what liquid people said. i think its bs. Penny doesnt fit role wise at all.
They are bold if they try keeping up this 6man thing
sw4gman [#47]why did they pick up another sentinel player if they have nats already
Cuz They need a sentinel player when nats plays viper on split and icebox
Leo will not be available to replace anyone. I don’t know why people think that he is available but he’s locked in to Fnatic and no team will be willing to pay what he is getting payed by Fnatic when he is not even playing plus his buyout will something stupid like yay’s. Fnatic have also said he isn’t trialing and that they would like to see him rejoin the team when he is ready
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