Did NRG really fumble Verno, or did he straight up just not fit on this roster?
Verno individually was really mid during kickoff
I watched him miss simple utility
you watch the com videos and he barely speaks
But he is incredible on MIBR
So I think this was just a win win all around (mainly for verno though)
It genuinely seems like a case of poor fit and chem for the team, and everything went from there. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
Still a CRAZY fumble in terms of talent.
milkchocolat [#3]It genuinely seems like a case of poor fit and chem for the team, and everything went from there. Sometimes it just doesn't work out.
Still a CRAZY fumble in terms of talent.
I remember at some point N4RRATE said he felt like he found his voice in the team (sen obviously), I feel like verno probably felt like he didn't have a voice in the team, considering the difference in his comms between NRG and MIBR - Literally midrounding MIBR
Situations just don't work out, look at trexx and vitality. Kinda the same situation but trexx is rotting on vitality bench.
People genuinely hate on FNS and NRG just to hate, Players not fitting in one team and going for another is so common in every Esport, NRG wants to win , they won't just drop a player for no reason if he really fit the team and was doing well. I believe there is so much behind the scenes that we don't know which led to this decision and perhaps stuff that might have harmed Verno's reputation but they chose not to share that and embrace the fans hate instead. We can take Bang for example, he left 100T and went to SEN and now he is also Qualifying for Masters while his old team failed to qualify and his performance in SEN is so much better than his performance in 100T, he literally carries games just like he did against G2. Yay for example, he was dropped from C9 and had a rough year after , but now he finally found his team and feeling more comfortable and his performance is so much better.
4so4so4so [#4]I remember at some point N4RRATE said he felt like he found his voice in the team (sen obviously), I feel like verno probably felt like he didn't have a voice in the team, considering the difference in his comms between NRG and MIBR - Literally midrounding MIBR
How do u expect a 18 year old to find his voice with guys like fns, ethan and s0m. We all know all 3 have some big ego problem from just looking at their streams
Markengar [#6]People genuinely hate on FNS and NRG just to hate, Players not fitting in one team and going for another is so common in every Esport, NRG wants to win , they won't just drop a player for no reason if he really fit the team and was doing well. I believe there is so much behind the scenes that we don't know which led to this decision and perhaps stuff that might have harmed Verno's reputation but they chose not to share that and embrace the fans hate instead. We can take Bang for example, he left 100T and went to SEN and now he is also Qualifying for Masters while his old team failed to qualify and his performance in SEN is so much better than his performance in 100T, he literally carries games just like he did against G2. Yay for example, he was dropped from C9 and had a rough year after , but now he finally found his team and feeling more comfortable and his performance is so much better.
Nah yay got wronged by C9, and ur delusional. NRG fumbled verno big by keeping fns in. Honestly saved his own career by not wasting time with that brainrot igl that shoots like a diamond 3. s0m needs to wake up and save his career
SunnyFromVLR [#7]How do u expect a 18 year old to find his voice with guys like fns, ethan and s0m. We all know all 3 have some big ego problem from just looking at their streams
Yeah nah definitely not his fault, they all comm super heavy. Even mada, I played a comp game with him once and the way he IGLd I would've thought he was FNS. MIBR way better for him
SunnyFromVLR [#8]Nah yay got wronged by C9, and ur delusional. NRG fumbled verno big by keeping fns in. Honestly saved his own career by not wasting time with that brainrot igl that shoots like a diamond 3. s0m needs to wake up and save his career
Okay , lets actually talk logically, First of all FNS's calls are actually good , he is one of the best IGLS in America's , even if he struggles a bit in the shooting department (even though he is trying to improve) , now tell me if they dropped FNS , who would IGL in the team? or who would they pick up that would be a good IGL for the team from the free agents in the scene rn? This game isn't a team death match where you just out aim the enemy and you win , the W gaming idea of PRX doesn't work anymore , the game has so much depth and strategy right now and you MUST have a good IGL or else you won't win shit. FNS'S calling through out the stage was really good specially the last two series , they most of the time get the site easily , but they lose the gun fights after due to mistakes or getting out aimed ( not just FNS , but the whole team ).
Now can we talk about your team?? Their downfall need to be studied NGL, from attending Kick off to being 4th in their group XD
SunnyFromVLR [#7]How do u expect a 18 year old to find his voice with guys like fns, ethan and s0m. We all know all 3 have some big ego problem from just looking at their streams
Ethan and s0m have ego problems? FNS I agree, the other two, I don't really agree. I feel like they display self confidence, sure, and banter a lot, but none of it seems genuinely "I'm better than you, dog."
1cameh [#11]Ethan and s0m have ego problems? FNS I agree, the other two, I don't really agree. I feel like they display self confidence, sure, and banter a lot, but none of it seems genuinely "I'm better than you, dog."
I wouldn't say ego problem but Ethan has been known to be against young players in the past, and he comes from CS where its a lot of no bullshit mentality. IIRC Ethan was one of the ones on 100T who were against having a young Cryo and Zander join and opted for ec1s and BabyJ at the time which set 100T back like 2 years.
Markengar [#10]Okay , lets actually talk logically, First of all FNS's calls are actually good , he is one of the best IGLS in America's , even if he struggles a bit in the shooting department (even though he is trying to improve) , now tell me if they dropped FNS , who would IGL in the team? or who would they pick up that would be a good IGL for the team from the free agents in the scene rn? This game isn't a team death match where you just out aim the enemy and you win , the W gaming idea of PRX doesn't work anymore , the game has so much depth and strategy right now and you MUST have a good IGL or else you won't win shit. FNS'S calling through out the stage was really good specially the last two series , they most of the time get the site easily , but they lose the gun fights after due to mistakes or getting out aimed ( not just FNS , but the whole team ).
Now can we talk about your team?? Their downfall need to be studied NGL, from attending Kick off to being 4th in their group XD
he got outcalled in pretty much every series he played, he barely outcalled rossy (in the mid round)
and nrg were not gonna win anything this year, no matter what with fns, they could have atleast secured the verno and mada duo for the future by replacing fns
Markengar [#10]Okay , lets actually talk logically, First of all FNS's calls are actually good , he is one of the best IGLS in America's , even if he struggles a bit in the shooting department (even though he is trying to improve) , now tell me if they dropped FNS , who would IGL in the team? or who would they pick up that would be a good IGL for the team from the free agents in the scene rn? This game isn't a team death match where you just out aim the enemy and you win , the W gaming idea of PRX doesn't work anymore , the game has so much depth and strategy right now and you MUST have a good IGL or else you won't win shit. FNS'S calling through out the stage was really good specially the last two series , they most of the time get the site easily , but they lose the gun fights after due to mistakes or getting out aimed ( not just FNS , but the whole team ).
Now can we talk about your team?? Their downfall need to be studied NGL, from attending Kick off to being 4th in their group XD
FNS calling can't even be considered good in the modern day when he struggles to get a single attacking round on haven, historically a good map for him. For someone known for his attack side calling this is unacceptable.
FNS calling is limited by his shitty mechanics because you will almost never see him take risky lurk timings to find picks or make space or gather info.
FNS never has a good game, so you are permanently playing a 4v5 with a human drone on the team. He forces his teammates to pick up the slack because he refuses to improve his mechanics despite years as a salaried professional. Meanwhile boaster received aim coaching and looks much better mechanically, going from perma bot fragging to dropping near 30 bombs.
FNS is a problem who's benefits don't even outweigh his negatives. He is a net liability to the team and is the first person that should go when considering changes.
Having a "world class IGL" is only secondary to being a good team. Boostio nearly won vs G2 despite making some of the most horrendous attack side calls I've ever seen in T1 valorant. If your IGLing is just passable and you can make up for it with good shooting, teamplay, and protocols you will always be the better team.
Now, idk about a solution for the roster, but FNS is clearly a problem.
He looked uncomfortable on NRG. I bet the culture there restricted him compared to how he played in tier 2.
gamergirl [#13]he got outcalled in pretty much every series he played, he barely outcalled rossy (in the mid round)
and nrg were not gonna win anything this year, no matter what with fns, they could have atleast secured the verno and mada duo for the future by replacing fns
Out called by Rossy is an insane statement , considering he had a full read on Rossy's attack side on Fracture , he literally had the stack and setups ready for everything Rossy called and Rossy admitted that it was his fault the team lost in an interview XD So I don't know where are you bringing that from , and the attack side of FNS in both Fracture and Icebox had really good rotates and mid rounding.
And once again you asking to replace FNS, how about you suggest the replacement?? Who is the IGL that will replace FNS and isn't in a team right now ?
2024 NRG didn't have FNS nor S0m , they had Victor , Crashies , Ethan , Marved and Demon1 , pretty good Fire power but Ethan failed to be an IGL and the team failed miserably, Same would have happened if they kept Verno and brought in any Senti player and let someone in the team be an IGL.
This reminds me of the bang situation. Bang admitted that he wasn't playing well on TSM and they were right to cut him... now he's known as one of the best controllers in the regoin. Verno wasn't playing at the level required on NRG...... Now he is on MIBR...... Just the cycle
Markengar [#16]Out called by Rossy is an insane statement , considering he had a full read on Rossy's attack side on Fracture , he literally had the stack and setups ready for everything Rossy called and Rossy admitted that it was his fault the team lost in an interview XD So I don't know where are you bringing that from , and the attack side of FNS in both Fracture and Icebox had really good rotates and mid rounding.
And once again you asking to replace FNS, how about you suggest the replacement?? Who is the IGL that will replace FNS and isn't in a team right now ?
2024 NRG didn't have FNS nor S0m , they had Victor , Crashies , Ethan , Marved and Demon1 , pretty good Fire power but Ethan failed to be an IGL and the team failed miserably, Same would have happened if they kept Verno and brought in any Senti player and let someone in the team be an IGL.
i said he barely outcalled rossy. you cannot read
i said they wont win anything with fns, no reason to give up one of the best na talents ever for 1 year of losing with fns, again you cannot read
you're not an nrg fan if you'd rather have 1 mediocre season and lose verno, than just build a new roster with verno and add an igl next year..
its the same outcome.. new igl next year LMFAO
As a European, it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference?'. However after this tournament I finally understand it. NA is 100% free.
serot [#14]FNS calling can't even be considered good in the modern day when he struggles to get a single attacking round on haven, historically a good map for him. For someone known for his attack side calling this is unacceptable.
FNS calling is limited by his shitty mechanics because you will almost never see him take risky lurk timings to find picks or make space or gather info.
FNS never has a good game, so you are permanently playing a 4v5 with a human drone on the team. He forces his teammates to pick up the slack because he refuses to improve his mechanics despite years as a salaried professional. Meanwhile boaster received aim coaching and looks much better mechanically, going from perma bot fragging to dropping near 30 bombs.
FNS is a problem who's benefits don't even outweigh his negatives. He is a net liability to the team and is the first person that should go when considering changes.
Having a "world class IGL" is only secondary to being a good team. Boostio nearly won vs G2 despite making some of the most horrendous attack side calls I've ever seen in T1 valorant. If your IGLing is just passable and you can make up for it with good shooting, teamplay, and protocols you will always be the better team.
Now, idk about a solution for the roster, but FNS is clearly a problem.
It is unfair to say that his calling was bad in Heaven , when he managed to get free sites quite a lot. Losing in post plant isn't an IGL's fault, People losing their duels isn't an IGL's fault. Losing rounds to Clutches doesn't mean the call itself was bad ! and this is exactly what happened in Haven, Zander having a life series for the first time since he joined Tier 1 and eeiu winning some unlucky clutches constantly destroyed NRG's economy in that game.
Also I wanna mention that the Boostio you are glazing that he almost won vs G2 , had worse stats than FNS through out Kick off and stage 1, the only series where he actually went positive is against 2G , every other series he was also bot fragging hard. And Even Boostio himself acknowledged FNS's talent in this tweet :
https://x.com/Boostio/status/1915982525513781524
I don't think you can name a good team that is actually at the very top without a good IGL, I just can't agree that shooting is more important than IGLING, having a bad IGL is like having so much muscle without a brain, sure you might win some games against teams who are completely aimless but against a team with a good IGL and decent fire power you aren't winning that.
gamergirl [#18]i said he barely outcalled rossy. you cannot read
i said they wont win anything with fns, no reason to give up one of the best na talents ever for 1 year of losing with fns, again you cannot read
you're not an nrg fan if you'd rather have 1 mediocre season and lose verno, than just build a new roster with verno and add an igl next year..
its the same outcome.. new igl next year LMFAO
Honestly true
I think that verno didn't work for the team and it's sensical to replace one rookie than your entire core (bonkar suggested replacing FNS, two players said they would also exit, presumably s0m & Ethan - management sided with the fns core.)
It would be a lot to find a new igl and two players and build a new foundation in between kickoff and split 1.
Realistically, NRG with brawk had better chances of working
But in the long term, you know this is your last year with that core either way.
FNS and s0m are retiring, and you will need to find new players regardless
Having the most promising tier 2 prospect on your roster for the future would be much way smarter for the long term
Now next year they will have to completely rebuild
Who do they even retain, Mada and Ethan ? maybe Brawk. Kinda a strange core
4so4so4so [#4]I remember at some point N4RRATE said he felt like he found his voice in the team (sen obviously), I feel like verno probably felt like he didn't have a voice in the team, considering the difference in his comms between NRG and MIBR - Literally midrounding MIBR
bro verno kinda look like n4rrate no? this is too real to be a coincidence ggz
4so4so4so [#21]Honestly true
I think that verno didn't work for the team and it's sensical to replace one rookie than your entire core (bonkar suggested replacing FNS, two players said they would also exit, presumably s0m & Ethan - management sided with the fns core.)
It would be a lot to find a new igl and two players and build a new foundation in between kickoff and split 1.
Realistically, NRG with brawk had better chances of working
But in the long term, you know this is your last year with that core either way.
FNS and s0m are retiring, and you will need to find new players regardless
Having the most promising tier 2 prospect on your roster for the future would be much way smarter for the long term
Now next year they will have to completely rebuild
Who do they even retain, Mada and Ethan ? maybe Brawk. Kinda a strange core
their optoins were lose, or lose with verno AND bonkar
they wanted a retirement party for players who are loyal to the IGL not the org
gamergirl [#18]i said he barely outcalled rossy. you cannot read
i said they wont win anything with fns, no reason to give up one of the best na talents ever for 1 year of losing with fns, again you cannot read
you're not an nrg fan if you'd rather have 1 mediocre season and lose verno, than just build a new roster with verno and add an igl next year..
its the same outcome.. new igl next year LMFAO
Barely out called Rossy is still no where near true XD
and again did Verno perform in NRG the same way he is doing rn in MIBR? If he did no way they would have dropped him XD
He wasn't " one of the best Na Talents" in that roster and it wasn't FNS'S fault for that.
and you can't simply say " OH LETS JUST GIVE UP ON THIS SEASON GUYS , IT ISN'T OURS , LETS GO NEXT AND HOPE FOR THE BEST" Orgs don't work like that , they invest a lot of money in the team and they want the team to win every season.
And please tell me since when did you become MIBR fan?? bet it is after Aspas and Verno joined because there is no way, you would have been a fan of that team when they were 0-5 last year and couldn't get a single win. And if Aspas and Verno leave this team tomorrow will you still cheer for them ? XD Before this roster was made, no one even noticed MIBR existed XD
You are just a fraud who cheers for a team when they are winning only LMFAO
Markengar [#20]It is unfair to say that his calling was bad in Heaven , when he managed to get free sites quite a lot. Losing in post plant isn't an IGL's fault, People losing their duels isn't an IGL's fault. Losing rounds to Clutches doesn't mean the call itself was bad ! and this is exactly what happened in Haven, Zander having a life series for the first time since he joined Tier 1 and eeiu winning some unlucky clutches constantly destroyed NRG's economy in that game.
Also I wanna mention that the Boostio you are glazing that he almost won vs G2 , had worse stats than FNS through out Kick off and stage 1, the only series where he actually went positive is against 2G , every other series he was also bot fragging hard. And Even Boostio himself acknowledged FNS's talent in this tweet :
https://x.com/Boostio/status/1915982525513781524I don't think you can name a good team that is actually at the very top without a good IGL, I just can't agree that shooting is more important than IGLING, having a bad IGL is like having so much muscle without a brain, sure you might win some games against teams who are completely aimless but against a team with a good IGL and decent fire power you aren't winning that.
hes still factually an issue. he WAS good but we've moved past that time
Markengar [#24]Barely out called Rossy is still no where near true XD
and again did Verno perform in NRG the same way he is doing rn in MIBR? If he did no way they would have dropped him XD
He wasn't " one of the best Na Talents" in that roster and it wasn't FNS'S fault for that.and you can't simply say " OH LETS JUST GIVE UP ON THIS SEASON GUYS , IT ISN'T OURS , LETS GO NEXT AND HOPE FOR THE BEST" Orgs don't work like that , they invest a lot of money in the team and they want the team to win every season.
And please tell me since when did you become MIBR fan?? bet it is after Aspas and Verno joined because there is no way, you would have been a fan of that team when they were 0-5 last year and couldn't get a single win. And if Aspas and Verno leave this team tomorrow will you still cheer for them ? XD Before this roster was made, no one even noticed MIBR existed XD
You are just a fraud who cheers for a team when they are winning only LMFAO
it is true, they won fracture off of double pistol and clutches, but either way
verno has been one of the best na talents for the past few years, i know you might not watch tier 2 or the offseason but hes literally the most hyped kid coming into NA tier 1 since zekken going to xset lmfao
they did give up on this season too, I'm telling you. the ONLY TEAM THEY BEAT WAS FURIA LMFAO
you can beat furia with any NA roster put together around mada and verno, and lev are dysfunctional,
the org clearly doesnt want to win because they kept an igl who cant aim and cant call, again, you're deluded
i watched v1nny outcall fns, i dont want to hear this shit
Markengar [#20]It is unfair to say that his calling was bad in Heaven , when he managed to get free sites quite a lot. Losing in post plant isn't an IGL's fault, People losing their duels isn't an IGL's fault. Losing rounds to Clutches doesn't mean the call itself was bad ! and this is exactly what happened in Haven, Zander having a life series for the first time since he joined Tier 1 and eeiu winning some unlucky clutches constantly destroyed NRG's economy in that game.
Also I wanna mention that the Boostio you are glazing that he almost won vs G2 , had worse stats than FNS through out Kick off and stage 1, the only series where he actually went positive is against 2G , every other series he was also bot fragging hard. And Even Boostio himself acknowledged FNS's talent in this tweet :
https://x.com/Boostio/status/1915982525513781524I don't think you can name a good team that is actually at the very top without a good IGL, I just can't agree that shooting is more important than IGLING, having a bad IGL is like having so much muscle without a brain, sure you might win some games against teams who are completely aimless but against a team with a good IGL and decent fire power you aren't winning that.
Boostio is for sure a problem on average for 100T but he was getting huge impact rounds vs G2. I just brought it up as an example of a mid IGL on a team with good results. FNS is not spray transferring 3 people twice on split vs G2, but Boostio can, and this is precisely why FNS is the problem. When put in round winning scenarios FNS will NEVER step up to win it because he is utter dogshit mechanically.
Saying I glazed boostio is insane overreaching. He is still a dogshit IGL, but despite his inconsistency he can at the very least have the POTENTIAL to get impact rounds because he has the ability and confidence to make plays.
Meanwhile FNS gets nearly all his kills from sitting in corners waiting to maybe get one and traded out like the least confident player of all time. FNS is a liability because even though u can say he has better stats, he will never be impactful when put in the right spots to do so because he isn't confident and can't aim for shit.
I'm not saying IGLing is not important, but when you take a look at NRG, can you honestly say FNS IGLing has the impact needed to win these rounds? IGLs arguably shine the most on attack, and NRG has some of the worst attack side win rates on T sided maps like Haven, Icebox, and Lotus. FNS can't call anymore, just admit it.
Sanest_Alfajer_Fan [#19]As a European, it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference?'. However after this tournament I finally understand it. NA is 100% free.
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KGad03 [#12]I wouldn't say ego problem but Ethan has been known to be against young players in the past, and he comes from CS where its a lot of no bullshit mentality. IIRC Ethan was one of the ones on 100T who were against having a young Cryo and Zander join and opted for ec1s and BabyJ at the time which set 100T back like 2 years.
Absolute craziness since that mf got scouted (to a farely garbage org att) by CLG at like, 15 or 16.
gamergirl [#23]their optoins were lose, or lose with verno AND bonkar
they wanted a retirement party for players who are loyal to the IGL not the org
Yeah I mean in hindsight that is what happened but if we are talking about percentages for success THIS YEAR I'd find it hard to believe you'd be convinced for THIS YEAR bringing in a new IGL, and replacements for s0m and Ethan would've been a higher chance of winning for THIS YEAR than the fns core. But yeah they should've just chalked up this year and planned for next lmao
Markengar [#10]Okay , lets actually talk logically, First of all FNS's calls are actually good , he is one of the best IGLS in America's , even if he struggles a bit in the shooting department (even though he is trying to improve) , now tell me if they dropped FNS , who would IGL in the team? or who would they pick up that would be a good IGL for the team from the free agents in the scene rn? This game isn't a team death match where you just out aim the enemy and you win , the W gaming idea of PRX doesn't work anymore , the game has so much depth and strategy right now and you MUST have a good IGL or else you won't win shit. FNS'S calling through out the stage was really good specially the last two series , they most of the time get the site easily , but they lose the gun fights after due to mistakes or getting out aimed ( not just FNS , but the whole team ).
Now can we talk about your team?? Their downfall need to be studied NGL, from attending Kick off to being 4th in their group XD
Have you watched NRG games? Reputation for ability and actual ability are two different things. There is no evidence to support the idea that he’s still a top tier IGL.
And let’s not act like there isn’t IGLs who can call AND frag out, like Valyn, king, etc
KGad03 [#12]I wouldn't say ego problem but Ethan has been known to be against young players in the past, and he comes from CS where its a lot of no bullshit mentality. IIRC Ethan was one of the ones on 100T who were against having a young Cryo and Zander join and opted for ec1s and BabyJ at the time which set 100T back like 2 years.
I'd be inclined to agree but he relies more on experience and proven worth - playing with s0m + FNS (youth in one, experience + worth in both), mada (youth + some inexperience but lots of long-term value) - I don't think it's an age thing, it's an experience thing. Which I understand - gambling on your controller AND duelist who aren't very experienced at the pro level, opting for a day1 (BabyJ) and a decent IGL in ec1s
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