Lets talk Florescent

So i made a thread about overrated players: https://www.vlr.gg/478629/overhyped-players-that-were-shit-when-in-t1

And I named Florescent as my choice for it which I stand by lol. Back when this bot was farming GC playing in lower tiers bro was crazy good with support worse than this (granted it was at a lower level). Now that bro receives a t1 shot, bro is basically trash and cannot frag out the way she (thats a discussion for another time) used to. My only question is even with a worse off team, she should atleast frag out and carry her weight in all the games? She does not before yall start saying she does and if u disagree you can check the matches she has played for Apeks thus far. Apart from 2-3 games in Positive, she was almost always negative and was one of the reasons why Apeks lost said games. Bro cannot play duelist, cannot entry, cannot get the team into site, cannot hold it down, cannot win duels that she should always be winning, overpeeks and dies cuz bro thinks she's Aspas. This isn't gamechangers, this is the real deal lilbro. If this is the import EMEA bring from NA, we really are doomed. Please send this bot back to NA.

Bob lowkey gonna do better with t2 exp for apeks ngl.And everyone gonna support her without crazy overhyped pr.

alfa wont be proud broddie

she is overrated due to the amount of fans and glazing there is

but overall is a pretty good player. mind you shes only 18

Apeks is doing very questionable changes tho and it def doesnt help Flor

Ronyko23 [#2]

Bob lowkey gonna do better with t2 exp for apeks ngl.And everyone gonna support her without crazy overhyped pr.

exactly, Bob is much better than this bot lol

NRGSUPERFAN [#4]

she is overrated due to the amount of fans and glazing there is

but overall is a pretty good player. mind you shes only 18

lewn is that guy IMO ..Cracked 18 year old rookie duelist.Cooking with crazy perfomance without massive pr. Nobody expected lewn to be on par or better than xeus kaajak.

she’s insanely young and her first split in T1 ever she has been fairly solid, probably overrated by some but tbf she’s got an entire scene of GC riding on her success. She’s definitely not the problem in Apeks and with a teammate like Bob i’m sure she could actually be really good, even better than her middling stage one.

Ronyko23 [#7]

lewn is that guy IMO ..Cracked 18 year old rookie duelist.Cooking with crazy perfomance without massive pr. Nobody expected lewn to be on par or better than xeus kaajak.

i think lewn is better as well but flor isnt that far off. also shes currently playing for the worst team in emea. put her in a different environment and she cooks

NRGSUPERFAN [#9]

i think lewn is better as well but flor isnt that far off. also shes currently playing for the worst team in emea. put her in a different environment and she cooks

things dont work like that U know

Huitzilopochtli [#5]

Apeks is doing very questionable changes tho and it def doesnt help Flor

Adding Governor was a dumb move, no doubt—but let’s be real, Florescent was riding a massive hype wave. People were glazing her like crazy, calling her the GOAT when she hadn’t even done anything in Tier 1 yet. Now that she’s getting clowned, all those fans vanished. And the wild part? No one’s really talking about how bad she’s been lately, even though the same folks were hyping her to no end when she was in GC.

NRGSUPERFAN [#9]

i think lewn is better as well but flor isnt that far off. also shes currently playing for the worst team in emea. put her in a different environment and she cooks

lewn is popping off with or without crazy util support. Bro is runnning it down. Its not like bbl was fav to win their group.

snowconedeity [#8]

she’s insanely young and her first split in T1 ever she has been fairly solid, probably overrated by some but tbf she’s got an entire scene of GC riding on her success. She’s definitely not the problem in Apeks and with a teammate like Bob i’m sure she could actually be really good, even better than her middling stage one.

#11

NRGSUPERFAN [#4]

she is overrated due to the amount of fans and glazing there is

but overall is a pretty good player. mind you shes only 18

#11

Sanest_Alfajer_Fan [#13]

#11

governor is not the only issue bro everyone on apeks is hella inconsistent, only people with some consistency (albeit not great stats) are her and molsi. People were hyping up her mechanics which are still insanely good, she’s a cracked aimer and that’s undeniable. She was never going to perform at the same level as she did at GC that’s a given with the uptick in competition. That being said she’s performed above average for being on an 0-5 team. She was +11 and dropped 27 on her last map so idk where this “recently bad” thing is coming from either

ArterieX [#3]

alfa wont be proud broddie

bRRRRoddeeeem

Sanest_Alfajer_Fan [#11]

Adding Governor was a dumb move, no doubt—but let’s be real, Florescent was riding a massive hype wave. People were glazing her like crazy, calling her the GOAT when she hadn’t even done anything in Tier 1 yet. Now that she’s getting clowned, all those fans vanished. And the wild part? No one’s really talking about how bad she’s been lately, even though the same folks were hyping her to no end when she was in GC.

yeah i think shes been mid, but imo its not her fault that she got glazed so hard like that and lmao whose brilliant idea was it to add Governor lmao, sad for Apeks but they will relegate after the year, i hope FOKUS makes it to vct

Sanest_Alfajer_Fan [#11]

Adding Governor was a dumb move, no doubt—but let’s be real, Florescent was riding a massive hype wave. People were glazing her like crazy, calling her the GOAT when she hadn’t even done anything in Tier 1 yet. Now that she’s getting clowned, all those fans vanished. And the wild part? No one’s really talking about how bad she’s been lately, even though the same folks were hyping her to no end when she was in GC.

Why do you sound like AI my bro

Huitzilopochtli [#17]

yeah i think shes been mid, but imo its not her fault that she got glazed so hard like that and lmao whose brilliant idea was it to add Governor lmao, sad for Apeks but they will relegate after the year, i hope FOKUS makes it to vct

poor Apeks, their original lineup would've cooked ngl

ArterieX [#10]

things dont work like that U know

i think shes proven she can be a top duelist no? def picked up next year

NRGSUPERFAN [#20]

i think shes proven she can be a top duelist no? def picked up next year

probably not.

Sanest_Alfajer_Fan [#19]

poor Apeks, their original lineup would've cooked ngl

it wouldve still been mid tbh and kaajak wouldve been needed to do the heavy lifting (imo would do better than flor)

flor proves that she is mechanically 100% good enough for tier 1 but shes only 18 and if you actually give her time to learn positioning shes a good player, expecting a perfect player at 18 when the game is at an age where you cant do as much stupid shit anymore

NRGSUPERFAN [#20]

i think shes proven she can be a top duelist no? def picked up next year

well from a coaches view i dont think she makes a good case a she needs to prove herself in T2 then yeah also we dont know what goes in background the vibes are prolly shit

Sanest_Alfajer_Fan

Apeks in generall is ass. But she is a solid players, what kills her is the fans.
Florescent is going throught the same thing Primmie had gone. That's, being insanely overrated by fans, and bc of that, having a immense expectations/pression on ur back, and getting hate by not being able to reach that absurds expectations.
But Primmie was overrated bc of Tenz fans, and Flor bc she is trans and gc winner, so people made up a narrative of she being "the second income of Aspas".

Flor fans, listem to me, overrate/glaze Flor in a extreme level isn't supporting the LGBT cause, it's in fact, going against it, you r just making things worst by creating a delusional narrative in the scenario, and if she can't make it, people will hate her and be dissapointed on her for a delusional mindset (Just like Primmie, but with the combo of the trans hate).
She is good, she just isn't a god, she can be, but she needs time, respect that time.

im a flor fan but not glazer but saying that she's the reason apeks is losing games is crazy. the 3 games she went negative in were against vit (-5), fnc (-2) and heretic (-9) but in all them games only ONE of apeks went positive at all. she's a solid mid-table player in a terrible team, it would be interesting to see her in a better team and i definitely believe apeks is holding her back

ArterieX [#25]

well from a coaches view i dont think she makes a good case a she needs to prove herself in T2 then yeah also we dont know what goes in background the vibes are prolly shit

why does she need to prove herself in t2 when shes already doing well in t1? played well in kickoff and had big games against navi and GX.

obv currently not the best duelist in the region but mind you shes playing with governor

is it crazy to say that flor is better or equal to xeus so far this split
u go down the stats table and lowkey the only thing hes better is at the fk and acs
and then you check who leads apr and it all makes sense there are three fucking fut members in the first three spots

femboyenjoyer [#30]

is it crazy to say that flor is better or equal to xeus so far this split
u go down the stats table and lowkey the only thing hes better is at the fk and acs
and then you check who leads apr and it all makes sense there are three fucking fut members in the first three spots

BRUH THIS IS WHY I MADE THIS THREAD IN THE FIRST PLACE

NRGSUPERFAN [#29]

why does she need to prove herself in t2 when shes already doing well in t1? played well in kickoff and had big games against navi and GX.

obv currently not the best duelist in the region but mind you shes playing with governor

doing well ? i hope u realise this is a team esport this aint street fighter where solo performances only matter here team is literally 12th i dont think she is doing that well

ArterieX [#32]

doing well ? i hope u realise this is a team esport this aint street fighter where solo performances only matter here team is literally 12th i dont think she is doing that well

apeks doesnt need to be winning for people to see that flor has potential.

Prasinos [#27]

Apeks in generall is ass. But she is a solid players, what kills her is the fans.
Florescent is going throught the same thing Primmie had gone. That's, being insanely overrated by fans, and bc of that, having a immense expectations/pression on ur back, and getting hate by not being able to reach that absurds expectations.
But Primmie was overrated bc of Tenz fans, and Flor bc she is trans and gc winner, so people made up a narrative of she being "the second income of Aspas".

Flor fans, listem to me, overrate/glaze Flor in a extreme level isn't supporting the LGBT cause, it's in fact, going against it, you r just making things worst by creating a delusional narrative in the scenario, and if she can't make it, people will hate her and be dissapointed on her for a delusional mindset (Just like Primmie, but with the combo of the trans hate).
She is good, she just isn't a god, she can be, but she needs time, respect that time.

Good comment, concise, relevant to discussion , many ideas. Shoutout brazil mibr to toronto

Sanest_Alfajer_Fan [#31]

BRUH THIS IS WHY I MADE THIS THREAD IN THE FIRST PLACE

stats
flor vlr 2.0>
xeus acs>
flor kd>
flor kast>(irrelevant stats tbf and no difference)
flor adr>
flor kpr>
xeus fk&fd>

femboyenjoyer [#35]

stats
flor vlr 2.0>
xeus acs>
flor kd>
flor kast>(irrelevant stats tbf and no difference)
flor adr>
flor kpr>
xeus fk&fd>

baiting your teammates for rating and kd doesn't make u better than one of the best duelist players in EMEA.

Sanest_Alfajer_Fan [#36]

baiting your teammates for rating and kd doesn't make u better than one of the best duelist players in EMEA.

statpadding against koi and avez on raze, saadhak, and elite isnt all that either

she’s already in the top 10~15 rated players on one of the worst teams in the league. esp as a duelist with how horrible governor and molsi have been she’s definitely doing very well for going to a new region, having immense pressure to perform at 18, and getting some of the most vile hate of anyone in valorant.

femboyenjoyer [#38]

statpadding against koi and avez on raze, saadhak, and elite isnt all that either

kekw he statpadded the whole season unfortunately, hardclears flor

Sanest_Alfajer_Fan [#40]

kekw he statpadded the whole season unfortunately, hardclears flor

which is why his stats were also way worse in kickoff kekw

femboyenjoyer [#42]

which is why his stats were also way worse in kickoff kekw

he's winning games and is proving his hype right, what is flor doing?

Prasinos [#27]

Apeks in generall is ass. But she is a solid players, what kills her is the fans.
Florescent is going throught the same thing Primmie had gone. That's, being insanely overrated by fans, and bc of that, having a immense expectations/pression on ur back, and getting hate by not being able to reach that absurds expectations.
But Primmie was overrated bc of Tenz fans, and Flor bc she is trans and gc winner, so people made up a narrative of she being "the second income of Aspas".

Flor fans, listem to me, overrate/glaze Flor in a extreme level isn't supporting the LGBT cause, it's in fact, going against it, you r just making things worst by creating a delusional narrative in the scenario, and if she can't make it, people will hate her and be dissapointed on her for a delusional mindset (Just like Primmie, but with the combo of the trans hate).
She is good, she just isn't a god, she can be, but she needs time, respect that time.

It's insane that glazing a player is a reason to hate on trans people. folks could just not hate on trans people whenever

TLDR: most people will agree on the following: Flor might not be the best player but, atleast a average t1; it's true flor is glazed a lot but that doesnt make bro the best (or the worst), maybe the glaze needs to stop but so the does the unneeded hate, improvement needed but by no means the worst

ScaryLapis [#39]

she’s already in the top 10~15 rated players on one of the worst teams in the league. esp as a duelist with how horrible governor and molsi have been she’s definitely doing very well for going to a new region, having immense pressure to perform at 18, and getting some of the most vile hate of anyone in valorant.

not even top 20. top player can solo carry his team into at least 1 series win.

Sanest_Alfajer_Fan [#43]

he's winning games and is proving his hype right, what is flor doing?

worse team for flor
legit the only one with a vlr2.0 above 1

femboyenjoyer [#47]

worse team for flor
legit the only one with a vlr2.0 above 1

cope

Prasinos [#27]

Apeks in generall is ass. But she is a solid players, what kills her is the fans.
Florescent is going throught the same thing Primmie had gone. That's, being insanely overrated by fans, and bc of that, having a immense expectations/pression on ur back, and getting hate by not being able to reach that absurds expectations.
But Primmie was overrated bc of Tenz fans, and Flor bc she is trans and gc winner, so people made up a narrative of she being "the second income of Aspas".

Flor fans, listem to me, overrate/glaze Flor in a extreme level isn't supporting the LGBT cause, it's in fact, going against it, you r just making things worst by creating a delusional narrative in the scenario, and if she can't make it, people will hate her and be dissapointed on her for a delusional mindset (Just like Primmie, but with the combo of the trans hate).
She is good, she just isn't a god, she can be, but she needs time, respect that time.

well said, I’m pretty new to the vct scene so when I heard of this “top 3 duelist trans woman”, I was expecting more than a 0-5 with occasional frags. we have no idea what she can do on a better team, so let’s celebrate her achievements instead of speculating on unrealistic expectations

4 positive out of 7 the 3 negative against vit,fnc,th who are top teams if not THE top 3 teams in emea even it was a negative kd of -2 or -5 on entry that isn't bad at all worst is -9 legit every player in the world has had a bad game
dont get me wrong flor is REALLY overhyped but fact is flor is a average T1 player (imo above avg cause apeks sucks g0v) top rating in the league also
and tbh i dont even like flor but it proves that GC works cause it does SRG are getting to a T2 level and flor is a T1 player idc that it is SLOW asf

this being said this is a HORRID performance out of apeks still proves that gc works since there best player is flor and i will take my wins where i can get them also g0v is the worst rated player(0.65) in the league bellow tomazy on duelist batu avova are close by and molsi has 0.99 which is good but our igl being our 2nd best rated player is a yikes

funny point flor did better then derke against navi and all of that vit team

snowconedeity [#15]

governor is not the only issue bro everyone on apeks is hella inconsistent, only people with some consistency (albeit not great stats) are her and molsi. People were hyping up her mechanics which are still insanely good, she’s a cracked aimer and that’s undeniable. She was never going to perform at the same level as she did at GC that’s a given with the uptick in competition. That being said she’s performed above average for being on an 0-5 team. She was +11 and dropped 27 on her last map so idk where this “recently bad” thing is coming from either

-governor +natank/trex and maybe -avova +any young talent who can play controller (ideally +natank +trexx) and that would be a lineup that would be competitive in EMEA

cozylotus [#44]

It's insane that glazing a player is a reason to hate on trans people. folks could just not hate on trans people whenever

It's insane that glazing a player is a reason to hate

Glazing is reason to hate, many people do hate comments bc of this, not bc she is trans.
Problem is, people who hate flor bc she is trans, use this oportunity to slide their transphobia.

It's like racist jokes, some people do only as jokes, others use this chance to slide their racism.

Sanest_Alfajer_Fan [#48]

cope

great argument broski

is she overhyped? yes
does she have too many braindead fans? yes

is she still a good player? yes
can she hand in tier 1? yes

players with massive followings are going to be overhyped (tenz, primmie, etc.), and it’s gonna make people seem like they’re gonna perform better than how they realistically should be performing.

flor is doing fine, she is a middle of the pack duelist in emea and that’s really it. not incredible, not bad, just good

shrike- [#54]

is she overhyped? yes
does she have too many braindead fans? yes

is she still a good player? yes
can she hand in tier 1? yes

players with massive followings are going to be overhyped (tenz, primmie, etc.), and it’s gonna make people seem like they’re gonna perform better than how they realistically should be performing.

flor is doing fine, she is a middle of the pack duelist in emea and that’s really it. not incredible, not bad, just good

For a rookie season she’s not doing bad. I think she was a little over hyped because of her past performances in t2, we could see similar performances eventually but it’s too soon to tell how