Aspas vs Demon1 debate

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Prasinos

Which glazer is more delusional/worst?

Brazilians Aspas Glazers

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Americans Demon1 Glazers
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Start with debate, and as the OP and Brazilian, i have to go with Demon1.
I would have put Aspas vs Tenz, but first, Tenz is retired, second, Tenz glazers would win no diff in this debate of who is more delusional/worst.

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OkOkay

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Demon1 fans are shiny pokemons now adays

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Azzelastia

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Demon1 Champs MVP, best player of all time.

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idkmanwth

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found a shiny pokemon

#48

WhisperingSoul1111

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don't act like it was the best peaky of a player we have seen until now.

Has any other player's performance ever felt like him before or after?
like he was just that guy in 2023

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idkmanwth

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when did i ever disagree hermano
just saying that op glazes demon1 so much, sometimes it feels like he would let demon1 fuck his wife

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thiagomds

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He is like a dolphin, sometimes he does some tricks out of the water and goes back where nobody can see.

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welikefortniteandvalorant

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Demon1 best aimer of all time (after Primmie)

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LordItachi

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Derke clears both.

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Prasinos

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Derke glazers isnt that strong this last times, i would say that Alfajer has more strong glazers.

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LordItachi

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Alfaer have glazers mostly cause he's turk and young also he good.

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crocodilemaniac

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no he has more glazers than derke because derke is washed and booted from FNC

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catNmouse

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both are just as bad

#5

Average_VCT_fan

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Aspas glazers win, no diff because their are almost 0 d1 glazers

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Prasinos

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I would highly disagree, yes isnt the same amount as 2023, but still has a lot of Demon1 glazers.

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LordItachi

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I would highly disagree, no there are far less demon1 glazers , everyone is d1 hopeful in their heart but they all know he didn't perform up to his peak.

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Prasinos

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I would highly disagree that i disagree with you, in fact, i agree, the first ever win against a team he acomplish, there will be tons of treads of his glazers.

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meanie

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one of the most inspirational comments ever dropped on this site

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crocodilemaniac

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Aspas glazers obviously. It's impossible to see any valorant goat conversations that aren't aspas glaze jerk circles.

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Prasinos

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I tink Aspas glazer give less delusional takes.
But they are too soft, like, when u gonna debate a playrr vs Aspas, you cant say that Aspas is enferior in smth, like.

You are actually retarded if you think Jinng flicks is fasther than Aspas flicks.

You cant even touch in his name.

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Itsover

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nAts, Chronicle, sheydos>>>>aspas in every aspect of the game.

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Mylotic

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nAts and sheydos ? cmon bro isnt 2021 anymore

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Itsover

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Just because sheydos is in koi doesn't mean that he's worse than aspas. Same goes for nAts and lulquid, aspas would never win a single map against a team not named GE or DFM with mistic, enzo and jamppi

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Mylotic

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Ok maybe nAts and sheydos glazers are mad delusionals too

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LordItachi

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If the category would be washed or everyone else just better except them now than sheydos and N0ts would fit right in. Even T2 players are better than them nowadays.

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Er3ngenes1s

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indian with sen flair = opinion rejected

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Prasinos

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No flair = Argument sued, 10,000 US$

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Prasinos

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The only one you mentioned that is worth to think about debating is Chronicle, the other two..... Just no.

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shzuo

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Sheydos LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

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crocodilemaniac

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I think I have a bit of a personal bias, to be honest. I just see so many goat conversations and pro player discussions about who is the "GOAT" that I get sick of listening to it all.

What you've pointed out is just blatant bait. Arguing over subjective evidence is just a waste of time and doesn't contribute anything if any meaningful debate wants to be made.

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Prasinos

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Not that much, is more about if someone is better at opining sides than others, yes isnt that meaningful a debate about a flick, but usually is related about some huge mechanic.

And yeah, i dont like the "Goat" title either, i agree Aspas is the best now, but the title "Goat" its just a American overreaction.

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crocodilemaniac

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There's no quantifiable way to measure who has a better flick. In fact, the quality of most other mechanics can't be measured . Every pro has crazy clips and embarrassing moments on LAN and one stream.

Any meaningful debate or argument that tries to be initiated and replied to by a subjective opinion like "Oh, but Aspas' flicks clear J0nggg's flicks" or "Oh, but Aspas has better reaction time than S0mething" is stupid. Only debates like "who is the better oper" hold slightly more weight because stats can be provided. But even then, it's not always easy to compare as so many factors come into play, such as consistency of the oper, the maps, which teams were playing and how good the teams were at that stage, the time of the year, etc.

I rarely see these conversations, though, simply because they take much more effort to compile the data for such a stupid conversation that people won't appreciate.

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novato1

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Is Demon1 the next Faker?
both became the best player itw in their rookie year
both won the biggest event in their rookie year
both changed their teams from being mediocre no names to big shots after joining
both disappeared the following year after their rookie stardom
Faker won his first Worlds in 2013, Demon1 won Champions in 2023, exactly 10 years apart

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Prasinos

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Foi justamente esse post que me fez criar essa tread kakakaka

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crocodilemaniac

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ASPAS IS THE GOAT JUST ACCEPT

The most successful player who ever lived never had a bad time, always in the top chmapions winner, two-time VCT Americas champion and MVP 🐐🌪️

-DaM1

Look at literally every Goat thread on this site 1 to 2 months ago

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crocodilemaniac

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#25

LouBag

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at this point i dont even understand why anyone even talks about demon1 anymore

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meanie

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he’s the main character of VCT NA

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snowdivine

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like a year ago bro

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meanie

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tenz disappeared for two years straight and was still talked about 24/7, why wouldn’t that apply to NA’s only champs mvp?

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Prasinos

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tenz disappeared for two years straight and was still talked about 24/7

Thats why i said.

Tenz glazers would win no diff in this debate

I tink the ex Tenz glazers is becoming Demom1 glazer, and that its becoming a bomb.

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meanie

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wtf

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grisx23

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Idk man could be because he was probably the most impactful rookie in the scene?

(I gotta stop falling for baits ugh)

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Azzelastia

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Demon1 was the best player of all time.
He had an average performance this year because his gf was sick. Just like TenZ last year when he came back to win Madrid.

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Prasinos

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His glazers.is hiding now, but sometime they show here giving some delusional takes.

Like, i have seen one comparing Demon1 to fucking CR7.

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cioccolat

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Aspas has loyal glazers, but D1 has the most delusional
It's even worse considering Jawgemo was carrying his ass and is the better duelist of the two

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Prasinos

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Demon1 fans is loyal too.

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ValAnalist

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Demon1, Jawgemo, C0m, Yay, Tenz, Pancada, Tuyz, Zander (right now he is), Mwzera. All fans of these players are demented. They don't accept that many of these players above had a specific year, a championship where they shined, but overall they were inconsistent. Zander is a great player, but the guy hasn't even been to T1 and some bums are already saying that the guy is one of the best controllers in the region.

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Borge_heheheha

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have you seen those dumb tiktok aspas glazers they are everywhere. demon1 fans clear

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Prasinos

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You just said that Demon1 fans is worst lol.
The debate is about who is worst , the worst wins the debate.

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Shadow_Monarch

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Demon1 best aimer in the game. Aspas best player in the game. Hopefully Yay makes a comeback, we need all 3 GOATS together in one VCT at their primes.

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Prasinos

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All the 3 American stars ready to wash some Emea glazers.

(I am joking, pls Emea people, do not start with the insults)

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zeusaura

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Demon1's prime hard clears aspas. Joined as a rookie mid-season, took a trophy for his team by just out aiming everybody, no one ever done it in the game. If we now talk consistency, then aspas hard clears Demon1

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Prasinos

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Joined as a rookie mid-season, took a trophy for his team by just out aiming everybody, no one ever done it in the game.

Literally Aspas and Less, idk if you know about Loud history, but Loud was the first ever Less/Aspas team, and in the first year, the winned champs and washed everybody.

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Mylotic

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You just lied right now aspas used to play for Slick, and Less was playing in other team together with Tisora if i am not wrong

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Prasinos

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Oh yeah i forget about Slick, doesnt change the fact that Aspas was a rookie, like Demon1 (Who had another team too).

Slick wasnt really a team tbh.

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Mylotic

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Aspas played the entire year of 2021 for Slick and went to Loud at 2022 so he wasnt a rookie, he even played VCT Brazil against Less in 2021 https://www.vlr.gg/29807/jaguares-esports-vs-slick-champions-tour-brazil-stage-3-challengers-3-decider-b

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Prasinos

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Yeah u right, Aspas wasnt a rookie anymore, but wasnt a experienced neither, according to Sacy, Aspas didnt know shit, and they needed to teach him everything.
But Demon1 was a pure rookie, if you take in consideration he only played tier 3 of USA.

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number1_Demon1_fan

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EG Demon1 was just the guy of the situation, NRG Demon1 was just to remind him that he can have rough time if he is in a bad team, now if in LEV he is able to perform with c0m and kingg without playing raze he will be good

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SurroundedDon

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demon1 glaze goes crazy

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Felwinter

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shazam>aspas

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wololo___

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Primmie clears these bums

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aspas has had consistency and longevity, makes him the goat

demon1 had the best rookie year in valorant and maybe even in all of esports. his run that year is probably the best form a player has ever been from tokyo->champs

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Aayan

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who does EMEA glaze, I kinda feel like we're all separated. Like it's not just 1 obvious choice theres cNed, Derke, Sayf, ardiis(?)
I think Derke is the obvious choice but I'm heavily biased so idk

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Prasinos

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Idk, maybe Alfajer? You guys from emea need to stop glazing NA and glaze you own players.

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Aayan

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Alfa might be up there next year if he becomes the star duelist. But yeah you're right I'm personally a yay enjoyer maybe I should find someone in EMEA to glaze