EU/TR/CIS? Separate?

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DDenied

If masters get bigger next year should EMEA as a whole get more slots or should the CIS TR and EU be separated and given individual slots?

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I dont think that would happen.

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Tbh I like the unity behind EMEA. I feel like we all cheer for each other on international tournaments which might stop happening if the regions are separate.

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DDenied

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How many slots would you give them then if masters was 24 teams how many would EMEA get?

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I would keep it at 4 and give the region that wins masters +1 for the next stage

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rlly, for 24 teams. i would do 5 or 6 probably, just because of the sheer size of EMEA.

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PrTsty

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Well they can get 5 if they wi masters. 6 is just uneccesary, give the slots to other regions so they can prove themselfes and grow. Its not valve, riot wont give any region more than 5 slots

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ya 6 is maybe pushing it but i still think 5 is ok. you have 8 slots to give away, you can give at least 1 to EMEA. There's not that many smaller regions.

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PrTsty

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Ye if u dont do that winning masters thingy that i mentioned then go ahead and givr them 5. But i kinda like the idea of regions fighting for an extra spot, makes it more hype

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number_1_bjor_fan

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sure, it would definity make it more hype. i think we could do both. (give 5 emea and masters winner.)

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PrTsty

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Ye but that would be potentially 6 teams. Why would u want that many teams to represent EMEA. The 6th team isnt gonna be close to the top 2 and wont do much damage. Its just taking slots away from other regions. I rather wanna see one more korean and 3 south american teams instead of 2 more EMEA teams wich will mess up the seeding and let us watch w groups with 2 EMEA teams

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number_1_bjor_fan

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how many NA teams?

continue thread →

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i think cis and tr should be give 1 slot because we are better than other regions except Na and Eu

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DDenied

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so 1 slot for CIS 1 for TR + like 3 for EU?

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I think 1TR 1CIS 4 EU would be amazing in a 24 slots format

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Met_ceza

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I agree with you my friend

#25

Jkatona1

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cis and tr >> eu today. Why you want limit this?

#32

DDenied

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They each have one team that is better than Eu teams all the others went straight out except forze

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they have multiple good teams not just one, navi in cis and da in tr has great potenital. both regions are deserves at least 2 slots.

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Dist

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I really think that FireFlux (another Turkish Team) can easily fits to EMEA. I really don't know if they win or lose, but their aim and strategy is not bad such as BBL. While in EMEA their's coach's wife got sick and coach went to hospital (die a week ago, rest in peace). So they couldn't analyze the counter strategies (if you watch FPX match, they were dominating the game, but after pauses, FPX won the match).

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CIS only has Gambit and TR only has Supermassive. We are talking about regions not the best teams only. Is the same when people say NA is the best region just becuase Sentinels are better than everyone.

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I mean CIS won the whole thing why are they getting only 1 and Eu 4? I think they should keep as is and maybe fight for 5-6 spots on in a 24 slot format. Plus there was 6 Eu teams in last tournament and only 2 made it through

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arturo_fdez

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Giants eliminated guild and g2 eliminated giants. Only Liquid and Fpx were knocked out by TR/CIS teams. And only 1 out of the first 4 eliminated teams was from EU.

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pokedyo

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i hope that they keep it together as emea, and if possible a LAN for playoffs

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It should be kept together, what if teams like OXG or FF qualified from TR and do bad in lan. We saw what happened between OXG and Liquid and FF and Guild.
And CIS will get weak without EU, the fanbase is small all into csgo

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I do not think they should be seperated it is better of to keep them unite. Look what happened with smb and gmb, the whole eu dominating emea thing made them stronger. Just give emea 1-2 more slots.

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I'm all for EMEA being a mix. Without competition on a grand stage, teams from TR and CIS will be left behind EU.

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Gambit and Supermassive have no competition apart from EMEA, if you watch football you’d know this because a problem for teams. Teams like PSG struggle in the champions league even with a super team because they have 0 weekly competition in the French league. Giving these two regions would almost guarantee supermassive and gambit in every international competition.

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its ok if we keep emea but we need challengers playoffs to be LAN too many problems online

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Competitiveness is much better for Turkish teams in the long term. SMB wouldn't even be formed if EMEA were separated. Another example is that previous EMEA playoffs for Iceland forced the TR teams to play more on-meta. Every TR team were using the beta comp back then. EU teams naturally crushed them.

Just look at the Brazilian teams in the Icleand. They were not even playing on-meta on the highest scene. They performed horrible. Vikings were playing Icebox without Viper and shit. At the end, Vikings was forced to a point that I think they didn't even believe they can win the map and played Yoru for trolling on their last map.

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Consistency imo. Either EMEA is split up or KR/JPN/SEA are merged and potentially LATAM/BR is merged.

As it is, it feels arbitrary that Korea and Japan get their own slots but Turkey and CIS don't.

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plus1, that's what I keep repeating on loop myself

#17

Ryzen_

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Exactly, you either favour competition and merge or you allow regions to have their poster teams. Imo I think the former is better for the eSport, latter is better for growing an audience as you'll have have the esport getting more recognition in home regions because of a consistent top performer.

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thanatos11

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Do you think that supermassive and gambit deserve to be at all international lans no matter if they have an off day

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Ryzen_

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Only to the same degree Korea and Japan do. CIS and TR only make sense being part of EMEA if JPN and KR got merged into an NEA group.

As I said, needs to be consistent worldwide rather than favouring Asia and South America by splitting up the continents but not splitting up a continent with a larger player base in the form of EMEA.

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thanatos11

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CIS and Turkey have 2 good teams though, its the same idea as PSG in football. They have an amazing team but without playing tough games every week they struggle in the champions league against the best in the world. This will happen to gambit and supermassive if they play with no competition in their own regions

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Ryzen_

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If we continued with that logic we would merge every region that won't experience significant ping differences.

That being said EMEA doesn't make sense already based on ping differences as ME or A to EU is as big as Eastern NA to EU.

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thanatos11

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can you read? where did i mention ping, im talking about actual competition

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Ryzen_

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Clearly you can't read because I was saying that if the focus is on competition then you would merge every region that can be merged without it being logistically unfeasable (ping).

The extra level of competition you are saying would be lost needs to be introduced for other regions such as East Asia otherwise EMEA is simply being treated differently. If TR and CIS have to be forced to be competitive to qualify for big events, so does KR and JPN which have their own slots.

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EDITED. replied to the wrong dude, cba to type again.

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LouBag

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They need to keep it like it is. It encourages regions to mix rosters. If they had their own slots it would cause less TR and CIS pros to join “international” rosters.

It would be like if NA split. The resulting teams would be weaker. While an all Canadian team would probably fair pretty well, it would still be weaker than a USA and Canadian mixed team.

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I feel like this concept of "joining regions" just like it is on EMEA very entertaining. So it should actually be encouraged. It would be a ton of fun if they had the "EMEA playoff" format, but for America to determine the best team of the continent or perhaps for China + Korea + Japan. To maintain the representativeness from all regions they should give the best team of the region a direct slot and make the others fight in a continental tournament.

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Ryzen_

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This I'm okay with. Just want something consistent across all regions rather than making EMEA some sort of mega filter but having easier Quals for less competitive regions.

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cripsy

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I think 1 slot for tr and cis should be given separately and our teams should be able to participate in the emea eliminations.

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No, TR and CIS should evolve theirself(except from GMB and SMB) and if Riot'd give CIS/TR a spot it shouldn't be 1, they should have 2 slots each. And Brazil, SEA,JAPAN and LATAM must have 1 slot each.

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I really hope they will keep EMEA. While for TR teams separation would be just bad because of less competition and practice outside of their playstyle. CIS separation would mean death of valorant in the region.

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DDenied

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fair enough tbh I cam into this with the opinion they should be separated but now I think that it should remain

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Ryzen_

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If that's the case I think merging other regions like KR/JPN at least should be done too just for consistency. At the moment KR and JPN seems about as internally competitive as TR.

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They can separate CIS when we get the same number of good teams as in csgo.

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Sims4proplayer

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Ain't gonna happen most likely. And even then CIS viewer and players involvement only grows up with international competition. Nobody really interested in domestic events unless its RMR. Every team or player interview Ive watched they said how little they care about CIS region and how they motivated to be the best in the world

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Viktor22

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Same thing for BR. CSGO hyped and popularity only skyrocketed after LG/SK era. I guess it will happen the same thing at Valorant

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Itsover

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Ofc they don't care about cis region, navi and gambit are good enough to destroy international competition rn, they are legit contenders for #1 in Stockholm and Navi Gambit final is the most probable outcome rn, why would they care about cis?

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Dist

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What if 1 for TR 1 for CIS 2 for EU and rest teams fight in EMEA for extra 2 slots?

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Glycoroldas

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That would be like a cherry on top of the cake in terms of circuit structure

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no, EMEA is fine, its developing at a steady pace and the teams all look competitive, and giving them more spots isn't all that good, I see no point in it