Are female-to-male allowed to play in GC?

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u28217xh

I know this will look like a troll because this is a new account but I usually only read things on here.

Anyways, with all this talk that happens about trans players whenever GC is on, I wanted to know where female-to-male players stand in GC? Riot says GC is supposed to be for marginalised genders which, as far as I can tell, is just another way of saying "no men". But then where would female-to-male players stand? I haven't seen any in GC unless I missed them. Are they excluded from the marginalised category because they identify as men? Or does being women in the past make them marginalised?

Please answer this seriously, I don't know much about these new things so I am curious about this.

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moshimoshiman24

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honestly i have no clue wat goes in gc anymore. at first i thought it was just for girls but now i got no clue

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cartixuzi

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no men, thats it i think

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moshimoshiman24

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at the last gc istg i saw some men so honestly no clue wats allowed

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hellfire

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lmao clearly

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flames-leleo

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Riot says it is for women and marginalized groups

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w0v

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yeah because there's literally a man on flyquest

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Rocky54

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I think There’s no men allowed but if you call yourself trans you are allowed 😹
What time humanity has come to 🚮
Getting down voted for speaking the truth 🤣

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ballsinyojaws

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yea that's how it is unfortunately, people don't use common sense or facts anymore, just delusion to make others feel better

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Conut

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?

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cobalt21312

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afaik female and marginalized genders

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Blinded

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'marginalized', what a time to be alive sigh

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Flumplestiltski

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you sound like your 90 years old replying to everyone with, "what a time" LOL cope harder lil snowflake

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Blinded

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i'm the snowflake, yeah alright mate. You look down when you go outside you freak

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laifu

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NASR Ignite aNNja

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u28217xh

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Is this a female-to-male player? If so then I guess that answers my question.

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laifu

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yes

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u28217xh

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Got it, then it's settled. Thanks.

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warriorzz

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She isn't. She tweeted about it quite some time ago, she was born female and identifies as female. Still, a ftm transgender would be allowed to play in gc as they fall into marginalized genders :)

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LilyVAL

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If you go onto aNNja's twitter it's says She/Her. FtM can't play in GC from what I heard from players in GC.

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u28217xh

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Others are saying being trans would make female-to-male marginalised, even if they identify as males. I am confused because I assume identifying as a male removes the marginalised aspect especially if people treat you as a male. Not sure what the clear answer is. Not that it really matters either, I am just curious due to how often people bring up male-to-female players and noticed that I hadn't yet heard of the opposite.

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frappzlul

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shes she/her

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simo98

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Here we go again

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Conceit

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The short answer is yes, they are trans so they qualify, why wouldn't they

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u28217xh

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It was my understanding that male-to-female and female-to-male want to be identified by how they view themselves so I wondered if female-to-male would be excluded similarly to other males. But someone else has pointed out that a female-to-male player is in the league so that answers my question.

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B1itz

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you're wrong actually trans men cant play in GC

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Marcusgeez

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i mean if a non-binary can compete in GC, why the hell a real transgender can't compete in there as well? simple and quick logic honestly

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u28217xh

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Isn't that different? I thought males are not considered to be marginalised because society treats them better. If you do not think you are a male or a female then you are just in the middle but if you are female-to-male then wouldn't you also get treated better because you are now a male?

That is why I asked because I didn't understand why a female-to-male would still be marginalised if they were considered to be male. But someone noted that it is because they are trans that makes them marginalised, so being female-to-male doesn't exclude them.

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being a female to male transgender doesn't make you automatically free from being marginalised. maybe in the western part of the world that's the case, but most part of the world still see and treat a transgender as a transgender

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Neonfreak

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Definitely still not the case in the Western World...trans people as a whole are still a marginalized community REGARDLESS of your opinions on them just look at the statistics

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If I speak, I'm in deep trouble...

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goat

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Shinxly

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just tell them that you are trans and get easy money. Its way easier than men's league

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kaninv

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chickenjoe owned me 😔

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ChickenJoe

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https://teamliquid.com/news/2023/06/28/co-ed-game-changers-and-valorants-trans-players
Article from June of last year, Bob mentioned that in NA, ftm trans players weren't allowed to play. Unsure if that has been reversed but that's what I found from a quick google search

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kaninv

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bruh ain't no way
been defending GC all this time just to hear their rules aren't even inclusive. I hope they have rolled that back.

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ChickenJoe

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Yeah I was also pretty surprised to hear this, but that was almost a year ago so maybe things are/will be different now

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kaninv

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The thing that concerns me the most is that this is June 2023. This is after the 2021 and 2022 season. This is after the LANs with G2 Gozen winning. The scene was already set up and had the cogs running, so for them to make that rollback afterwards seems less likely, which is really disappointing.

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B1itz

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why in the world would we allow men to compete in GC?? It doesnt matter if they are trans or not they are men thats against the point of the league

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u28217xh

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"I recently learned that Game Changers in NA does not allow transgender males - which I believe is an obvious contradiction to their want to be inclusive to marginalized genders - and I'm hoping that changes in future," Bob said.

I see, sounds like a pretty big decision so chances are we would have heard something if things were reversed. But I would like to know what their reasoning is and if I am right in assuming that identifying as male separates them from being a part of "marginalised genders". People in this thread seem to agree that being trans would be the marginalised part, so I wonder what their justification was to prevent female-to-male players from competing.

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kaninv

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thinking about it now, most likely the largest issue with ftm would be identifying a cisgender man vs trans-masculine and proving they are ftm rather than cisgender. but either way, it still sucks and it isn't inclusive nor in line with what GC is supposed to represent.

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u28217xh

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GC is an interesting league but I feel like regulating it wasn't something Riot properly thought about. They can't be too harsh on regulations, otherwise they are no longer inclusive, but they also need to be harsh enough to prevent opportunists. Welp, I suppose that's their problem to figure out.

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dawnmoer

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I think everyone except cisgender men are allowed in Game Changers. Being trans-masculine is still part of a marginalized gender, despite being men.

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dezzo

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No
I've heard a trans man saying that GC wasn't available for em, only for cis/trans girls and nb

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MneMaloMaloMaloTebya

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i heard they do verification for trans people in gc with surgery and shit like that but what about non b inary?

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HasosP

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The first planned GC tournament teams were 3 women and 2 men, but after the community's objection, it was changed to 5 women, but now men can play in gc who declare themselves as women in countries with the right to declare their gender.

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shermie

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You came to the least qualified place to answer that question

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horse69

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you just have to not feel marginalised i think lol
correct me if im wrong

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lielahh

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I believe it’s a no unless rules have changed. The logic is that people are treated as their identified gender, and being a man isn’t marginalised. Dont quote me 100%

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dual000

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Identified gender not based on biological gender is really confusing

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Sikul

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Flag, jk