Leo Faria is right

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Bruh no way you guys dont see why they wont allow any org to pick the 5. He has explained it so well.

If they allow any org to pick players, nobody cares which Org wins ascension anymore. Win Ascension, but dont wanna commit to Riot Partnership?... just auction your place off to whoever is interested and dont sign the documents... the interested org and the players can come to an agreement about buyouts and everything and get the slot.

It DOES open a door for selling off spots. Supporting F/A team is NOT the same... orgs dont have to buy the spot.

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DSG wins Ascension 2024. DSG does not want to commit to partnership. DSG has already spent money winning Acension. G2 wants partnership but has a dogsht team who couldnt do it. DSG and G2 can come to an agreement about buyouts and anything else under the table which Riot is not aware of. DSG does not sign the documents and now the 5 players are F/A. The 5 choose G2 as free agents.

Do you not see this happening?

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The Guard has no claim to the roster OR the spot rn, the fuck would they be selling?

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they did? what do u mean rn? Do u not see that an interested party could've paid The Guard to NOT sign the partnership deal which was ONLY available to them after winning the Ascension

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The Guard is set to release all players/coach without a buyout.

It is understood that The Guard will be paying the players their termination buyouts to ensure they can be signed to another organization without difficulty

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Its not just what has happened in this case.. in the future aswell - as Leo said it opens the door for winning Ascension orgs to sell off their slots if they dont wanna commit to partnership. That could happen in over a hundred different ways, most of which will not even be under Riot's control

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Orgs trying to loophole into selling a spot is a very big concern but it is very clear that that does not apply to this situation. And since these spots are owned by Riot you would be able to allow these players to join an org that you see fit and not have it be some shady deal. You should consider making an exception for a team that was done wrong by their org and not have them be punished for things that are out of their control ~ willminder

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buddy he is the director of esports, he has power to control these things lol. He is not as useless as his ideas. He can allow a org to pick up these players and also enforce the rule of not allowing orgs to sell their spot.

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if The Guard signs they can't sell their spot

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The guard as an organization has 10 people on staff long before they won ascension

they're literally about to go bankrupt and leave esports entirely

so all the conspiracy theorizing you're doing right now means jack shit for this situation

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Ok AND? WHAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM WITH A DIFFERENT ORG BUYING OUT PLAYERS WHO MAKE TIER 1? I do not give a fuck about what team name or org is used. I don't care what shitty brand is involved. I want to see the best players, that's it. The Guard roster won Ascension, they were the best tier 2 team and now that roster deserves to be in tier 1. I do not give a fuck what team they call themselves. I do not care if some dogshit team buys them up and moves up to tier 1. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THE ORGS IT'S JUST THE PLAYERS.

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W

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W, fuck all these corporate clowns, and they wonder why theres no "passion" or excitement in esports when they suck the life out of it, esports is driven by the PLAYERS FANS COACHES, not some pieces of corporate shit trying to make the best deals

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Idk you clown are leo faria after all

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Dude

At that point a third party would have to buy the entire org that won, essentially just buying out a normal franchise league team, which can happen at legit any moment.

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Financial stability is one of the major criteria for Riot to accept a team into partnership.. why do you think XSET and Optic didnt get a slot? If they foresee such a scenario they will forfeit their partnership and reassign.. in such a scenario a slot cannot be sold

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no, that isnt how valorant franchising works, its a partnership system

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Idk it just sets a bad precedent to the way riot views t2.
Not exactly too much point in investing in a roster when there is 1 major league spot available and riot might not let you in for some undisclosed reason.

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leo faria alt account spotted

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no... because TGRD wouldn't sell their spot.

Riot should treat the players like a free agent team and let them find an org themselves, like they said they would for free agent teams that win ascension.

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Its not the same thing though.. if teams can win ascension and then sell their spot.. I can guarentee you, you will never see a Brazilian team in Franchise especially with all the American orgs. Figure out why on your own

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THEYRE NOT SELLING A SPOT.

the guard players are free agents with no buyouts. the guard as an org will not receive any money.

again, they’re NOT selling a franchise spot.

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Bro you are an idiot lol. Reread what Leo has said.. it opens a door for Ascension orgs which have won to sell off their spot. That could happen in a hundred different ways.. Its not just what has happened with the guard. No org would care to win Ascension when you can pay buyouts + whatever the org wants and get the slot.. that could AGAIN, happen in a hundred different ways

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dawg read what he said + What happens if the players don't wish to work with the interested team? They could fuck over everything.

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you are finding ways of how it cannot happen.. the fact is Riot is only looking at ways corruption and loopholes can be introduced. If they think there are ways to abuse the system they will try to block it.

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I'm curious, do you not know how to read or are you too stupid to comprehend what you are reading?

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the guard makes 0 money from the vct slot as they’re not selling it. the players are free agents with NO buyouts.

you’re waffling and stop sucking riots dick.

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You obviously have no clue. You dont know if they are not making any money.. there is potential to make money in the future if not in The Guards case.

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as long as riot implements smart rules, there is no potential, without screwing the players.

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ok I think what he means is yeah they are not selling it on paper or in public but under the radar orgs could come into agreement to sell their spot just by not signing the papers.So ig there is a way to 'sell' it but it can't be done in public so gotta be private

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Are you stupid? How can they auction off something they don't own? It's 'partnership', not ownership. If riot chooses the replacement for TGRD there's no way TGRD would know who to sell to or who to make backhand deals with.

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DSG wins Ascension 2024. DSG does not want to commit to partnership. DSG has already spent money winning Acension. G2 wants partnership but has a dogsht team who couldnt do it. DSG and G2 can come to an agreement about buyouts and anything else under the table which Riot is not aware of. DSG does not sign the documents and now the 5 players are F/A. The 5 choose G2 as free agents.

Do you not see this happening?

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The only thing is that the players choose the org NOT DSG in this case. What if the 5 players chose a different org? Now G2 is completely fucked over with no slot.

For this to actually happen the table agreement would have to be done with the 5 players NOT the org itself.

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What if the 5 players chose a different org?

why would they do that when there's no space for all 5 to play together on other teams?

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The team and players can 100% work together and this case is a classic example of how a slot can be SOLD.

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The contract would be 100% relied on the Player's signature. Not the org, at the end of the day the players could deny any org that would attempt to steal this spot by not signing with them and ultimately always end up in the same scenario as a 5 man f/a roster where the original org makes no money off of the slot being sold.

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In almost all situations in eSports, orgs have more power than the team or players. Org which wins the Ascension can simply deny selling their players to whatever org..

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as I said, you're right but people just are taking their anger out on riot instead of guard or the players who left leaving the guard to not sign the contract.

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yeah I know, I mean people are acting as if they know better than a complete team of administrators who have successfully worked with eSport orgs.. Riot is no baby when it comes to eSports and how they wanna run their shit.

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Did you even read what I wrote? Riot could simply choose whoever! There are loads of orgs. How does TGRD then do secret dealing off of speculation? No one would know the 'replacement' org except riot. G2 just would be one of the candidates!

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The Guard or DSG(winner) can simply hold on to the players, deny to sell whoever gets the spot unless they get a piece of the pie. Riot cannot force players and orgs to cancel their contracts. Moreover another issue is how can Riot tell the ONE org who gets the spot that they have to retain these players meanwhile every other org gets to participate in the open transfer market?

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they have binding contracts. Riot can make a contract null and void for situations exactly like these.

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that is not true at all.. while Riot has batted for player termination friendly contracts they cannot make a contract null and void at their whim. There is a reason why players are stuck in contract jails.. as long as the winner (The Guard) does not breach rules which disqualifies them from participating in Tier 2.. they are free to keep their players and continue playing in Tier 2. Players in that case, will do as the org wants as they would rather play in franchise

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bruh! Of course they can't do that at their whim. They have certain clauses, stopping your whole operations in a certain operation should be one if it already isn't. You can't compare this with contract jails, ofc riot can't intervene there cz it doesn't affect their esports directly. It's between the player and the org. Contract jails are nowhere the same, also the purpose of the ascension is 'ascending' to the league! are you lost?

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The guard have released their players, riot can implement a new rule where to compete in the ascension tournement you have to register your players and coaches into the gcd, if you with the ascension slot but dont meet the IL agreement within a given time then your coaches and players contracts are null and voided and riot helps find a new org. Is that too complex for you?

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did guard have the slot? no, how are they selling the slot? no idea, so leo faria talked about making orgs sign a contract but they didnt make things clear enough to evade slot selling but it isnt leo faria or riot´s fault for not thinking about this and now americas will have 10 teams which will make the region less competitive because less teams = less official matches = less competitive

also guard players were most likely already F/A so they didnt have any chances to contract jail them and they could´ve just got signed to a org of riot´s preference

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DSG wins Ascension 2024. DSG does not want to commit to partnership. DSG has already spent money winning Acension. G2 wants partnership but has a dogsht team who couldnt do it. DSG and G2 can come to an agreement about buyouts and anything else under the table which Riot is not aware of. DSG does not sign the documents and now the 5 players are F/A. The 5 choose G2 as free agents.

Do you not see this happening?

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if they are F/A dsg doesnt get shit, its not the same as this guard situation because 3 guard players (jonah valyn and net) were already F/A and thats a core (enough for getting the slot)

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Thats why riot works with the players to find an org?

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this is where there are loopholes and ways to sell your spot?

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Even if everything you say is true (doubt) the solution here is to fuck over players who deserve T1 and the worst case of allowing a org to pick them up is a org who wants to be in franchising in franchising.

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Even if he was right (which he isnt) what about the moral values and ethics ?

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youre right but people just like guard players too much right now to listen to other stuff. give it time.

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Just don't let The Guard sell their spot and that's it. The 5 players would get the spot and The Guard get literally nothing.

Orgs wouldn't have to buy it as well.

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https://www.vlr.gg/269476/riots-decision-is-stupid-and-heres-why

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just ascend G2
they are clown org, NA needs them

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Leo Faria is braindead

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just let the guard players play as free agents for now then?

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If they are so worried about this setting a precedent for buying slots later (which is so logically unsound I won't bother convincing you its not the case) why doesnt riot just sign the team to its own Riot owned slot.

Instead of giving a 500k a year stipend to an org, just have The Guard players compete under a Riot owned slot and receive the money directly from riot (+ all the benefits such as champions money, skins, etc.) so you don't have to say "oh another org is buying the slot" there are so many ways to solve this problem and acting like Riot can't is criminal. Open up the Riot wallet, let them compete as F/As for the next 2 seasons under a Riot owned guest slot.

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this fake flagger is actually leo faria himself???????????????

#55

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You're trying to explain legal repercussions to kids and teens who still live with their parents brother... just give up, it's not worth it lmao

Probably only about 2-4% of users here would have enough intelligence to even come close to understanding this. Just let them be braindead and think Leo is wrong.

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I know right, lol. I dont know why I even bothered.

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how is it selling a spot when the guards dropping all the players with NO BUYOUTS and then literally ceasing to exist, the guard guys should be getting treated like a f/a team which leo literally said they have a system in place for if the situation occurs

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guards dropping all the players with NO BUYOUTS

this happened after they got kicked. When riot made the decision, they were still under contract.

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then this is on the guard for lack of communication, because this was definitely a long time coming and their timing was dogshit

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mf got paid a riot gunbuddy to say this lol

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Leo Faria alt account no wonder why he hates EU

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You have to be a complete idiot to believe that Riot's decision is correct or that it promotes in any way the integrity of the sport. Quite the contrary, Riot is slowly signing the death sentence of its Valorant eSports scene (much like 99% of the franchise/partnership leagues before it)