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will SEN fns work???

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#1
extan

Pros:

  • Improves structure on a previously chaotic team
  • Helps boost lacklustre attacking halves for SEN with better executes etc
  • Marved used bunch of Optic strats, smoother transition

Cons:

  • marved gone :(
  • does fenis play full time sentinel? not much faith in his anchoring abilities to hold up great on KJ, maybe Tenz jumps back on the chamber on maps and zekken dives
  • Tenz said himself he liked Marved’s loose calling (no micromanaging etc) -> FNS opposite, might not mesh well with the puggy style SEN known for

Conclusion: SEN FNS isn’t as good as people are saying

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pugboy
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ya this guys onto nothing only reason that roster wasn't good because they didn't have a micromanaging igl thats it

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Nachtel
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bro what do you think dephh was

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pugboy
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I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills even FNS is better mechanically plus FNS is a way better caller and dephh wasn't even main igl on xset ayrin was so I mean thats all you need to know really if this sen roster got FNS over Marved they would be really good I would be confident in that especially because pANcada plays his normal smokes not his senti which isn't great

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extan
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read man read

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pugboy
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I did read and dephh isn't a good micromanaging IGL so im not surprised thats the case why do you think they played so shit in lcq use your brain

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extan
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they frankly got outaimed in some of those games, Marved was going -26 or something ridiculous -> an issue FNS is not going to fix

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pugboy
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ya okay bud got outaimed the calls were not good and they seemed to have no game plan when they played especially against Leviatan you don't just get outaimed especially when you have like a top 3 mechanically roster in the world

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extan
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bad games happen

also, I think you misunderstood my first comment, I wasn’t shitting on the idea of SEN FNS, I was just pointing out some key concerns that people have to pay attention to before it gets overhyped and people start getting disappointed if the results don’t come

also, coherent rosters take time and another IGL shakeup will probably set back all the progress they made as a cohesive team towards the end of the season

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pugboy
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they didn't have a real IGL what are you going to do keep the roster the same Marved is going to NRG doubt he stays with SEN so you are changing IGLS may as well get the best they also played shit against c9 and they didn't even play good against 100t should have destroyed them on pearl but there pearl was so one dimensional they would do the same thing every round if you don't believe me go watch the vod they didn't have enough ideas because they didn't have a good igl good luck with backing your take up again because it makes no sense

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tomato211222
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Exactly what i stated i do analysis did it a one month ago with kru and navi and a lot of people liked my work.
Dephh isnt a micromanaging igl he mainly relied on ayrin's help with the calling ayrin micomanages but dephh give straight up calls like split b at this time after this player does this or smth like that

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tomato211222
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no it woudnt as firstly they didnt have a deep strat book like a fnatic or nrg they had few strats and mainly picked one for one round and used it.
Secondly They had role issues even with marved this would benefit them as well as FNS being a micromanaging caller would help as sacy could be the 2nd caller as initiator like LOUD.
And Yes TenZ has stated he dosent like micromanaging igls he is not a stable holding type of pplayer he has stated he struggles holding angles and has ADHD and a micromanaging igl would benefit him

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Breloof
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an issue FNS is not going to fix

That's a bold statement. Marved was the best player mechanically on Optic next to yay and fragged like crazy. Of course it's harder to consistently win those duels when you're IGLing and have to focus on the macro a lot more.

Saying Marved is not good enough mechanically and no change in team structure could remedy that is wild.

#105
extan
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I was not saying that at all. On the contrary, if Marved, an excellent and mechanically gifted player, could have off days with his IGL duties aim wise that resulted in duels lost that arguably cost Sentinels their chances in LCQ, FNS the worse aimer (who is rumoured to be his replacement) is not going to be an improvement in that stead.

You can speculate that the better structure will improve the fragging ability of everybody, that’s another story

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Yo pugboy, I posted this: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1857720/fun-facts-about-dephh for people like you back then!

And this regarding your "mechanical skill" argument: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1878804/fun-facts-about-dephh - if you want we can talk about how HS% reflects on one's mechanical skill. But, hopefully, you can see it yourself.
Though, I still see no arguments in your replies, and not that I ever asked from you to define or elaborate on what you are saying, right? - -

P.S. YOU NEED TO BASE your nonsense on something reasonable, since dumping rubbish from other shitshows on here doesn't seem convincing or original -seriously.

#36
pugboy
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and yet one player is still in valorant and the other is coaching a cs2 team get over it you did nothing here

#37
clocksky888
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Elaborate on your BULLCRAP or GTFO together with your SHITSHOW-CLOWNFEST-like takes!

And yet you have no idea what you are talking about, not even trying to engage in rational discourse - bringing irrelevant BULLSHIT

Yeah, what a bright boi, please keep down fragging me. It is clear to me that you are incapable of doing anything else at this moment .

#38
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I didn't even downfrag you moron you sound really mad for no reason right now and why do you bold and italic your writing like your thread has meaning or something your delusional wasn't even that serious and this guys mad that Idgaf about his post for "guys like me" you sound stupid

Elaborate on your BULLCRAP or GTFO together with your SHITSHOW-CLOWNFEST-like takes!

like who writes like this bro especially on vlr you sound 50 LMAOOO

#39
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Don't lie, you weasel... If anything, we both know what I'm talking about; it's just that one of us doesn't want to confess it. Instead of regularly backing your ridiculous claims, you behave like a pitiful weasel... and this is not even for the first time.

I'll say it again, especially for you, ENGAGE in the TOPIC or GTFO! I don't care what you have to say on anything but the F-ING topic. SHOW me your knowledge, please, as I have doubts

Here, I'll help you to engage:

  • You: "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills even FNS is better mechanically" - GTFO! Reread my post #35 and elaborate on those claim you made.

  • You: "plus FNS is a way better caller - There is no proof to that, so I will let you out on this one.

  • You: "ya this guys onto nothing only reason that roster wasn't good because they didn't have a micromanaging igl thats it Again, define micromanaging, so hopefully I and others could understand what do you mean and how to approach it from your point of you and how it affect team playstyle which essentially should lead to some success, I guess, right?

  • You: "I did read and dephh isn't a good micromanaging IGL so im not surprised thats the case why do you think they played so shit in lcq use your brain" Well, use your own brain and time - SHOW your workings --> as claims are too BIG, I'd say.

  • You: no game plan when they played especially against Leviatan you don't just get out aimed especially when you have like a top 3 mechanically roster in the world - You contradict to yourself here --> Yes, you get STOMPED landing deep in negative, if OUTPLAYED - again, you're with your BS here... HolyyyF

  • You: "and yet one player is still in Valorant and the other is coaching a cs2 team get over it you did nothing here" - How can you draw such parallel to conclude on the matter... ARE YOU BRAINDEAD? Are you saying that all those players who don't play S-TIER Valorant tourneys DESERVE it because they are bad? I don't see any rational behind your argument --> ELABORATE!

I can go forever like that... All you need is to explain yourself, which is frankly should not be a big of a deal. But for unknown reasons, it seems that it is a big deal for you. I mean, don't you have some data or simply some rational behind your takes?

I called you out on your BS, "I mean bro was consistently dropping like 5 kills. Even FNS outperforms Dephh mechanically" by linking to my old post, https://www.vlr.gg/post/1857720/fun-facts-about-dephh - where Dephh was questioned about his capacity to perform, especially FNS vs. Dephh, and where you could clearly see that such accusations were always wrong and void of any appropriate evidence... from the below table ...

        Name            RD   Rating  ACS    K/D   ADR     KPR    APR    DPR     HS
Rory "Dephh" Jackson  5683   1       197.9  1.02  129.8   0.7    0.27   0.68   24.60%
Pujan "FNS"  Mehta    7190   0.86    179    0.9   117.5   0.62   0.26   0.68   20.60%

As well as this: https://www.vlr.gg/post/1224492/controversial-opinion - where I already asked you to do the same damn thing as I'm asking you right now - A F-ING year+ later. Like WTF, kid? How many more times I should point out to your BS? Seriously, are you that incapable or what?

YET, your façade pathétique has the audacity of calling me a 50 year old or something? ... Are you that desperate in having a father like figure in your life? Fine, you can call me DADDY --> now, back to your homework, son

P.S. What a CRINE af son - you are.

Edit: Added --> "What a CRINE af son - you are"

#40
pugboy
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LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO this guy might actually be special

#42
clocksky888
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I am CALLING you OUT on your BULLSHIT - seriously!

You got my attention, son 😘

#55
tomato211222
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You asked: define micromanaging :Micro Managing is a term used in esports to define a caller/igl who give specific callouts such as : crashies flash b for info me and yay will walk up a and then lets split a after making noise b.
Now do you understand what the basic term of micromanaging means. Even in your daily life sometimes mothers have to micromanage their children instead of telling their children to get ready for school they will make them ready for school.
And i dont think i have to prove that FNS is a better caller than Dephh and the proof your asking has only 1 case that is
SEN vs NRG Regular Season map 1 Dephh way of calling and their general adaptation(which comes from eitehr igl or coach) was not good.
The rest of the matches like Optic Vs XSET ayrin was also calling for XSET so i cant give you exact proof but Ayrin did most of the IGL work

#60
clocksky888
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WTF, bro?

Are you pugboy?

Please, just let things get back where they should be.

#53
tomato211222
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First of all no one is specifically saying that fns is better dephh at fragging or mechanical skill its the fact that fns is a better micromanaging caller is what would suite sen and also the roles would make sense for once.
As even before lock-in i had mentioned that dephh isnt really a good site anchor and is a better smoke player but pancada was playing smokes. The Team with dephh according to me was never built for success

#58
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"The Team with dephh according to me was never built for success" - and that's OK as it's your opinion - however, there were many who still think that it was good enough. Let's not discuss that as it has nothing to do with the matter.

That was one thing.... another thing - pugboy knows very well what I am asking from him, but he's playing dumb... and I was basing my conversation strictly on his BS - not what said or anything regarding your takes, which make me wonder: "why do you bother?"

Oh, just in case, I am also CANADIAN,... please, don't let my SCOTTISH flag to mislead you --> I am not originally from the place/s I reside or will reside in the future.

#62
pugboy
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this guys a moron don't bother embarrassing that he is canadian

#65
clocksky888
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I am CANADIAN too, you BISHHH 🙃😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🪵🪚

Let's have some ORGY, right here ... get down already LMAO .... HolyF, what a CRINGE show 🙃

#67
pugboy
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... i didn't say u weren't just read

#68
tomato211222
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i know pugboy he is mad that i stated pure facts and i dont know why he is mad i cleared answered all his points i defined micromanaging with a real life example of a mother and her children which i think is pretty clear no? and i also stated that dephh isnt main igl so we cant compare them instead take their induviduval igl experience where FNS outcalled Dephh in the Regular season game

#70
pugboy
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its just a dumb argument impossible to talk to idiots because they have no argument even tho they seemingly think they do

#72
clocksky888
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Right pugboy, we know that he is mad from pure facts?

#48
iloveEG
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Although the stats are cool and all, they're not really relevant when the person you're comparing him to has a trophy and way more accomplishments under his belt.

#49
h1gh_fall
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dephh was literally THE WORST player on the season, and messed up all roles just for him to play flex and still lose...

#5
extan
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https://nerdstreet.com/news/2023/5/valorant-tenz-reflects-sentinels-season-and-role-with-players-association

do your research, this is your franchise player talking

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pugboy
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I'm not saying I didn't believe you your logic just wouldn't make sense TenZ would be an infinitely times better player if he had someone micromanage him also Zekken has said he hates the puggy style of valorant multiple times as well as pANcada and Sacy just coming off a team that is very based on micromanaging and than you get arguably the best IGL in the world ya ggs

#16
extan
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“ya this guy is onto nothing”

neither you nor I can judge how Tenz is going to play, other than from what he says. What he says was that he was feeling comfortable under the Marved IGL era from the flexibility it gave the team. You took zekken’s quote out of context, it was about the ranked nonsense and 5 guys running down B main- not AS puggy as what Marved was doing obviously. LOUD was a micromanaging team, sure, but the language barrier there might not allow for the complexity of the calls to work, who knows

#41
pugboy
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why is everyone in this thread so fucking stupid you don't even know what I am referring to when I say zekkens quote

#86
extan
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what’s the quote then

you have no right to call other people “fucking stupid” when you’ve given nothing but inconsistent evidence and paraphrases

#89
pugboy
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not looking through every zekken tweet ever it was about fnatic winning and being dominant and how much he loved it and hated PRX style a lot

#90
extan
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thank you for yet again covering up your lack of evidence by saying you’re “not fucked”

you had time to write paragraphs to the angry dephh supporter but can’t search for a single quote

also, let’s be honest here, half the shit zekken tweets he be pulling out his ass

#92
pugboy
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ya I mean sure wtv I say his bull fuck but if you say its fine "half the shit zekken tweets he be pulling out his ass" okay bud nice argument you can go embarass yourself and look for the tweet but I don't want to or care to argue anymore about such a dumb take

#93
extan
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then dips from the convo when he starts being unable to defend his position, bravo

the good guys win again

#4
Warlordwibz
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If Chet comes along to SEN too, yes it would work. If Kaplan coach, inconsistent fluctuation performance as usual.

#9
extan
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makes sense, I liked kaplan though, he was pretty chill

also his comma was like a dad who was trying to connect with his kids using GenZ lingo and stuff it was quite wholesome

#14
yoboikingkong
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not that kaplan is bad or incompetent, i think its fns who needs chet to work well

#6
acels2
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sen poor af how they gna afford fns 😹

#7
Mikejones69
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It won't Fenis is carried by Victor and crashies.

#11
yoboikingkong
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wont work without chet

#13
vipermommydomme
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it would work since pancada can go back to smokes

#18
extan
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if it was that easy I’m sure they would have done it before, also I’m slightly hesitant to put the player with the largest language barrier on controller

though pancada is a monster at smokes so it’s probably worth it

#21
tomato211222
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um the language barrier isnt as bad as you think it is pancada probably comms the most at sentinel you would know if you watchhed the comm videos plus extras at sen society which im subscirbed to

#26
extan
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chill I’ve seen the channel vids too

bring part of sen society is a whole different beast though 💀💀

#28
tomato211222
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i got thoes keychains too

#29
extan
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the Tenz ones? I thought they lowkey did him dirty but they’re still cute to have I guess

#31
tomato211222
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no the sentinels logo ones

#33
extan
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fire

where did you put them?

#24
axetjj
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The style FNS uses results in wins when his teams are good enough, I doubt tenz would be against it as FNS could perhaps turn tenz into a disciplined player who doesn't overheat.

#54
hawkval
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TenZ also said that they're starting up prac so he's probably staying

#57
Nrg_Finesse_
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Not a good choice cause I might have to change the name real quick.

#73
DDot
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Zekken
FNS
Sacy
Pancada
Aspas
would be a good team ngl

#81
extan
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championship quality no?

#97
brdreamer
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That is kinda scary ngl

#100
NOCAPPPA
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Man this roster looks good

#114
h1gh_fall
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yeah i was considering johnqt before this fns thing, now if sentinels do all this changes it is going to be even better, it will be basically the old loud + zekken (much more potential flex than saadhak) and fns which is not the best mechanically but still goated igl

#102
Dybala21
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Why on earth people having this conversation? Im suprised this thread has not been deleted yet

#106
veyyyyron
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I fear what FNS can do once he gets his hands on sacy and pancada...

#113
Usergay
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It'll be loud fns 100€

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