v1 without postplant?

same or tier 2?

They are playing with a sub

v1 is definitely tier 1 they just not top 2 conversation anymore

their sub top fragged in a lot of their maps Lmao, better than zaddy vanity

Playing with a sub, Chill

blicey [#4]

their sub top fragged in a lot of their maps Lmao, better than zaddy vanity

Top fragging isnt everything. Team chemistry should also be a factor. Zellsis fits on the team better than thief :)

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Demi [#6]

Top fragging isnt everything. Team chemistry should also be a factor. Zellsis fits on the team better than thief :)

put some respect on thief tho he was constantly doing good

I always thought V1 without post plants isn't that good.
Also unlucky that they could never play with their full roster

plas [#8]

put some respect on thief tho he was constantly doing good

i agree thief is a wonderful player, just saying that zellsis might fit better into the team since they have been playing for a long time. V1 kinda unlucky. They are playing with a sub almost everytime lol

Demi [#10]

i agree thief is a wonderful player, just saying that zellsis might fit better into the team since they have been playing for a long time. V1 kinda unlucky. They are playing with a sub almost everytime lol

Zellsis has that bursts of brilliance and aggression on Feenix that thief doesn't rlly have. He plays rlly passive

plas [#8]

put some respect on thief tho he was constantly doing good

He is good. But you are replacing Zellsis, one of their best players and a vocal dude in the team. Honestly it’s hard to know where V1 is at. It’s feels like forever since we have seen the full squad together. It’s not like thief is bad, but give me Zellsis on the team anyway of the week.

couldnt play with full roaster, thief is a great player, but zellsis is a massive part of V1. post plant is still around. i feel like theyll rebound

definetly tier 1 NA maybe like tier 3 EU

DasiusWL [#14]

definetly tier 1 NA maybe like tier 3 EU

they beat Liquid (but lost to FNC) so they're middle of tier 1 EU

they need their racist dude back asap

Shanty [#12]

He is good. But you are replacing Zellsis, one of their best players and a vocal dude in the team. Honestly it’s hard to know where V1 is at. It’s feels like forever since we have seen the full squad together. It’s not like thief is bad, but give me Zellsis on the team anyway of the week.

Thief is still an upgrade though

dumb take 100T got lucky and playing with a sub

Psion [#17]

Thief is still an upgrade though

Even if we pretend this is true. Little time with the team.

Shanty [#19]

Even if we pretend this is true. Little time with the team.

He has a better player rating than zellsis in the past 3 months. And is insane on Reyna

Psion [#20]

He has a better player rating than zellsis in the past 3 months. And is insane on Reyna

Look at the agents selected. He should be getting a better ACS with Reyna, if he isn't fragging out more than a KJ, Astra and support characters there is an issue. The last 3 months Zellsis had to fill in partially for Whippie with support characters when in Masters. I am not debating thief isn't a good player. But he's adjusting to a new team that is partially built around Zellsis. I don't really understand how people can believe a thief having to adjust and find a place on a new system on a new team is better than Zellsis who literally helped build the system and knows the team in and out.

Shanty [#21]

Look at the agents selected. He should be getting a better ACS with Reyna, if he isn't fragging out more than a KJ, Astra and support characters there is an issue. The last 3 months Zellsis had to fill in partially for Whippie with support characters when in Masters. I am not debating thief isn't a good player. But he's adjusting to a new team that is partially built around Zellsis. I don't really understand how people can believe a thief having to adjust and find a place on a new system on a new team is better than Zellsis who literally helped build the system and knows the team in and out.

wippie my dude

ilikerubikscubes [#22]

wippie my dude

thank you

anothervlruser [#18]

dumb take 100T got lucky and playing with a sub

saying 100t got lucky is a stretch.

turkey [#3]

v1 is definitely tier 1 they just not top 2 conversation anymore

Why? They are still head to head with 100t envy and c9 probably, we will have to see

anothervlruser [#18]

dumb take 100T got lucky and playing with a sub

Cringe

Shanty [#21]

Look at the agents selected. He should be getting a better ACS with Reyna, if he isn't fragging out more than a KJ, Astra and support characters there is an issue. The last 3 months Zellsis had to fill in partially for Whippie with support characters when in Masters. I am not debating thief isn't a good player. But he's adjusting to a new team that is partially built around Zellsis. I don't really understand how people can believe a thief having to adjust and find a place on a new system on a new team is better than Zellsis who literally helped build the system and knows the team in and out.

Thief played cypher against lg and top fragged??? Thief is 1-1 a better player. V1 just aren’t as good after meta changes. Vanity judge, lineups, viper- astra all got nerfed. And they had a sub at Iceland so they have proven they can beat teams like liquid with a sub, so why can’t they beat 100t? I would rather have - zellsis + thief than -Wippie +jammyz.

blicey [#4]

their sub top fragged in a lot of their maps Lmao, better than zaddy vanity

yup Zellsis' insane lurks are the reason they did good on haven

Making masters was a fluke but they're not bad by any means. Also note they're playing with a sub

anothervlruser [#18]

dumb take 100T got lucky and playing with a sub

13-5 is luck kekw

V1 is really good at abusing the current meta. Currently the post plant meta is broken so that's why they're using it. I think if post plant didn't exist they would abuse something else. Of course this is just speculation though.