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WinterZ20

Im just at a loss. What the fuck were we doing. That was just shit play after shit play after shit play. It pains me to see our year end like this, regressing back to our LOCK//IN form, perhaps even worse than that.

Something really needs to change for next year. Fans of other teams, feel free to clown on us in the comments, we deserve it :(

I still support them tho and I still have faith in the core of Sayf, nAts and Jamppi. Praying for a better 2024.

Man does this suck to see.

#LetsGoLiquid :(

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nothing new here, first match champion told everything
https://www.vlr.gg/185553/sorry-but-tl-is 4 month ago
vlr user was right

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This was way worse than lock in bruh. it looked like they were 5 stacking ranked. It literally looked like they gave up.
NGL ive been defending jamppi and redgar this whole time but fuck me get them all out. Build a team around sayf, nats and try to get trexx, thats a solid core to build around but damn man it was pain

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sentinelmain377

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W CHANGES. NO NEED TO BUYOUT FROM OTHER ORGS IF THEY HAVE CONTRACTS/ARE EXPENSIVE

SAYF (FLEX DUELIST/AWP/SENTINEL/FLASH)
SCREAM (FLEX DUELIST/FLASH)
NIVERA (FLEX RECON/FLASH/SMOKES)
REDGAR (FLEX RECON/FLASH/PRIMARY SMOKES)
NATS (FLEX SENTINEL/SMOKES)
ENGHH (COACH)

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I would say that because they have sayf adding scream and Nivea is a unnecessary change. Adding trexx like he said would be better and getting a different player instead of soulcas would be the best

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trexx is not good
as an emea watcher (not baiting btw). everyone on vlr knows

TREXX makes too many mistakes and is probably equal to soulcas rn (maybe a tad better, but not worth cuz TL aint winnin with him either)

TREXX had godly tier aim but makes shit ingame decisions and mistakes. This was said by Barbarr.

TREXX is not the solution at all.

as soon as Trexx gets a little more good experience and improves his decision-making

he will be top 3 initiator

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Csusi

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I have realised that and I think the solution may be cloud. Cloud is a good player and can play in similar roles that they would need

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WinterZ20

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ah hell nah there is no way u said trexx = soulcas 🤣🤣

also when will vlr get it in their heads that ENGHH and Redgar probably dont want to work with each other again

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yeah bad champs run but liquid still has the potential with time.
I'm a believer.
Pain having only FNATIC to cheer on now..

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WinterZ20

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agreed

lets hope for a great 2024

#LetsGoLiquid

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Honestly this roster needs change. At least soulcas has to go. maybe more. Only Sayf and nats are safe

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Trust me, time is not the problem. They have a good amount of time from tokyo to champs for prepare and their performance in champs even worse than tokyo. They definitely need roster changes. I give jamppi another chance, but soulcas & redgar must go

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You still have fsith in jaampi🤣🤣. Go watch his score in map2

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WinterZ20

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cant judge a player based off 2 matches

go watch his score in VCT EMEA

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youre gonna get response like "VCT EMEA farmers league 🤣🤣🤣 jamppi farming bot league 🤣"

its meaningless

if liquid wanna do shit they have to fucking buyout trexx for millions

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WinterZ20

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my original point still stands

judging someone off 2 matches is simply illogical

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yeah youre right but im not talking about jamppi at this point

soulcas this mf has been playing pro valorant for 3 years and it looks like he hasnt improved a little bit. ok he might be a good support player but how does this guy never have any impact? team issue? ok i understand

but this guy has one of the best aim in the world if you watch his montages and then on pro play he doesnt hit shots even fucking FNS would hit

i just dont understand its a mystery bro

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WinterZ20

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agreed

it must be a confidence issue or something right? TL hire a new mental coach maybe? Idek what to do with soulcas anymore. He has sm potential and raw talent but is just lacking something crucial needed for a tier 1 player.

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yeah hes playing for so long still doing the same mistake

problem is i just cannot identify what the problem is

maybe just drop him at this point

trexx is worlds better than him

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WinterZ20

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agreed

hell even a cracked ascension player could probably do a better job than soulcas atp

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get mistic im not joking

even enzo even magnum

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WinterZ20

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yep those guys are all options to fix TL I agree

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Don't worry bro, Liquid is a good team, maybe a couple of team changes can put them on top! Remember they're still the only team to have beaten FNC, they can definitely pull their weight. Unfortunate to get placed in hard group, if they were in any other group they probably qualify

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WinterZ20

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thanks for the support man, much appreciated

im still confident that one day we can lift that international trophy. One day all these rough spots and embarrassing losses will be worth it

#LetsGoLiquid :’)

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Nice try, loud looked really good today but yeah liquid def did not do their best

Was a great season, you guys were the first to beat fnc.

o7

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WinterZ20

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thx g much appreciated

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BREQKERRRRRRR

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Liquid played so disjointed, they didn't play as a team, they played like 5 random soloq players.

What is this shit? very low quality play, I expected much more from them, they were better in EMEA and even at Tokyo (even though they shit the bed too)

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WinterZ20

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agreed

we need to be much better for 2024

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keep supporting...TL players are very good on paper...they will do good next yr 😊

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WinterZ20

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i really do hope so, ive still got faith in the lads

#LetsGoLiquid

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Liquid is such a confusing case. in theory they should be such a solid team because every player (maybe bar Soulcas) is amazing in their own right, but when you combine them they kind of just shit the bed. Maybe they need to reconsider their win conditions or something.

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WinterZ20

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yeah

the synergy was just not there today, we played it like it was ranked

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well jamppi and soulcas had many red flags.

Map 2 :(

W CHANGES. NO NEED TO BUYOUT FROM OTHER ORGS IF THEY HAVE CONTRACTS/ARE EXPENSIVE

TREXX makes too many mistakes and is probably equal to soulcas rn (maybe a tad better, but not worth cuz TL aint winnin with him either)