aleksander (btw i dont think aleksander is overrated at all, i just did this to piss nsg)
Rizvi [#3]Pro's are already top 1% at least amongst all the valorant players. So I don't think there can be an overrated pro though few could be underrated like Aleksander's compatriot Temperature.
What? That's not how it works. You rate pros compared to other pros, not the general populace. With that logic they are all insane and we should stop talking about them.
ihsazal [#8]dicey and brax,,,literally everywhere this team needs to sign dicey,,this team needs to sign brax. They are so good bla bla bla.. Yet no team want them
exactly
Sunot [#15]TenZ and Shazam
TENZ and ShahZaM just won the Masters and hes overrated u are on some shit my guy LMAO
i feel like marved is a tad ovverated. I dont see him making lots of plays in their last few matches, and when they were carrried by babybay. Yet when he gets a 2k or 3k everyone says "THAT BOY COLD" when he can get consistent impact. I LOVE subroza but same with him when he is on duelist, not lots of impact and he gets a kill chat spams lets go yassine. Roza's lurk though is the best ive seen
feeks [#20]zombs. he has a good team and does his job well in the team. but he usually gets kills with free trades and smoke sprays. of course he has some good shots as well, but I think he's overroasted because he's in the best team in the world.
hes not ovverated. nobody says hes a fragger or an insane player, but he does what is needed for the team. he plays what agent they need, he is trusted in certain positions, and he legit even gets a spectre from his teammates who cant get full armor so they can get a rifle with full armor
feeks [#20]zombs. he has a good team and does his job well in the team. but he usually gets kills with free trades and smoke sprays. of course he has some good shots as well, but I think he's overroasted because he's in the best team in the world.
he is not overrated. He is cocky
Cred [#14]tenz
actually TenZ is underrated by vlr, 2 masters MVPs in a row and yall dont give him respect meanwhile scream and Derke couldnt handle the pressure of LAN.
Netero [#25]actually TenZ is underrated by vlr, 2 masters MVPs in a row and yall dont give him respect meanwhile scream and Derke couldnt handle the pressure of LAN.
i thought shahzam was mvp of lan.
Netero [#25]actually TenZ is underrated by vlr, 2 masters MVPs in a row and yall dont give him respect meanwhile scream and Derke couldnt handle the pressure of LAN.
How did Derke not handle the pressure? He did super good in all the games and even in the grand finals he did fine
Netero [#24]Derke, Scream, and Wardell are the most overrated players on this website. Derke and Scream in particular are huge chokers in the spotlight unlike TenZ.
How is derke a choker?
feeks [#20]zombs. he has a good team and does his job well in the team. but he usually gets kills with free trades and smoke sprays. of course he has some good shots as well, but I think he's overroasted because he's in the best team in the world.
Zombs isn’t overrated no one thinks he is the best player but no one thinks he is a bad player
cloud9bluefan [#27]How did Derke not handle the pressure? He did super good in all the games and even in the grand finals he did fine
He got jett diffed is all
Netero [#24]Derke, Scream, and Wardell are the most overrated players on this website. Derke and Scream in particular are huge chokers in the spotlight unlike TenZ.
lol u call #2 and #3 in the valorants 1st major overrated lmfao
kindereggmodel [#19]i feel like marved is a tad ovverated. I dont see him making lots of plays in their last few matches, and when they were carrried by babybay. Yet when he gets a 2k or 3k everyone says "THAT BOY COLD" when he can get consistent impact. I LOVE subroza but same with him when he is on duelist, not lots of impact and he gets a kill chat spams lets go yassine. Roza's lurk though is the best ive seen
its not that marved is overrated, he is doing some crazy stuff and he isn't even playing duelist, its just naturally gifted
Netero [#24]Derke, Scream, and Wardell are the most overrated players on this website. Derke and Scream in particular are huge chokers in the spotlight unlike TenZ.
ScreaM didn't choke, he did amazing on LAN. Derke literally was carrying FNC on their back but still lost, kinda like how MJ scored 63 points in a playoff game but still lost. and idfk why you think Wardell is overrated when he is legit the sole duelist main, and he is pretty good on the op.
bigpeensheen [#34]its not that marved is overrated, he is doing some crazy stuff and he isn't even playing duelist, its just naturally gifted
not really, any 2 frag combo he gets they say that. I do it as well LOL
Netero [#24]Derke, Scream, and Wardell are the most overrated players on this website. Derke and Scream in particular are huge chokers in the spotlight unlike TenZ.
always tenz getting jett diffed by wardell in the days of c9.. even in ranked wardell dropps 10-2 on tenz
Rimuru_T [#31]Hiko and Shahzam both most overrated
Shahzam isnt overrated and everyone shits on Hiko on here and reddit lol
iNstiN [#39]Hiko is super overrated he'll be washed soon you'll see.
NA has so much more to offer than hiko ffs
he is the pride and soul of Sova mains in NA.
and i doubt he'll be washed soon, since he is still performing at his peak rn
bigpeensheen [#41]boi XD
im not wrong though.. i know hes a good rifler but i feel somehow he lacks impact. maybe because of who he plays and how the team uses him.
bigpeensheen [#40]he is the pride and soul of Sova mains in NA.
and i doubt he'll be washed soon, since he is still performing at his peak rn
not the pride and soul. sinatraa is
ihsazal [#8]dicey and brax,,,literally everywhere this team needs to sign dicey,,this team needs to sign brax. They are so good bla bla bla.. Yet no team want them
this is cuz they are high profile players who played for high profile teams, making them highly sought after.
Mrityunjay [#32]lol u call #2 and #3 in the valorants 1st major overrated lmfao
Actually, Team Liquid placed 4th. But you are right about Scream not being overrated.
cloud9bluefan [#27]How did Derke not handle the pressure? He did super good in all the games and even in the grand finals he did fine
he was bottom of the leaderboard ??
Netero [#25]actually TenZ is underrated by vlr, 2 masters MVPs in a row and yall dont give him respect meanwhile scream and Derke couldnt handle the pressure of LAN.
Scream can't handle pressure of lan...?! Bro just look the first game on split against V1 where he was just to good. The entire 3 games against V1 he played well even when Liquid got destroyed by V1 on haven. Then against Kru Vikings and Fnatic he played good as well. Second best player of Reykjavik i don't call that "can't handle the pressure of lan".
Aris [#16]TENZ and ShahZaM just won the Masters and hes overrated u are on some shit my guy LMAO
He's just and idiot bro let him stay dumb.
Netero [#24]Derke, Scream, and Wardell are the most overrated players on this website. Derke and Scream in particular are huge chokers in the spotlight unlike TenZ.
You’re the kind of na guy that makes the world think na’s stupid. I don’t understand the na or the eu that are deluded and keep saying that such a player or team sucks just because it is eu or na. It’s boring and disgusting and takes away the flavor of the exciting rivalry between na and eu. but i'm glad to see that even na people react to your comment who is rly fucked up. It shows the real na community who is not deluded like you just bcs you're a fan of sentinels and tenz.
bigpeensheen [#17]Marved, no. Shanks, debatable.
teammate gets shot from the smoke, looks the other way while going for the bomb
definitely not overrated
Gurggu [#13]all UK pros
maybe TL but if you're talking about boaster, you're about to catch deez teef bitch
CesarSalad [#50]I am really unbiased, but why theres so much hate against Hiko? haha
people hate slightly older people in this community idk why. but in terms of this question, yes he is overrated
bigpeensheen [#17]Marved, no. Shanks, debatable.
marved gets some pretty solid stats for being a support player.
RIPEVIL [#37]always tenz getting jett diffed by wardell in the days of c9.. even in ranked wardell dropps 10-2 on tenz
wait what? tenz and wardell have played 3 b03s against eachother and tenz won all 3 and outfragged him. are you new to the scene? and literally no one cares about ranked lol, if ranked meant anything than Poiz would be the best player in NA but in actual pro play he is a below average duelist.
Netero [#60]wait what? tenz and wardell have played 3 b03s against eachother and tenz won all 3 and outfragged him. are you new to the scene? and literally no one cares about ranked lol, if ranked meant anything than Poiz would be the best player in NA but in actual pro play he is a below average duelist.
https://www.vlr.gg/535/team-solomid-vs-cloud9-immortals-first-light-gf
imagine wardell outfragged tenz with sova
Danny [#62]Xeta
he's good but for some reason I've seen multiple people say he's a top 3 player in NA
Maybe they meant top 3 sovas in NA
Uhh. RB maybe? I've seen him be overrated a ton by people who don't even watch korean games. I think he's good though.
TenZ does do really well although he's still very overrated.
Wardell just isn't being favored by the meta so I do think he's overrated is a player in a team even though he's a funny dude.
Scream is most definitely overrated because even though he does carry the team. He just doesn't bring much unique value. Like his util usage is ok but not the best. With the new nerfs to util. He will become better but over time im guessing that util will keep being buffed as that's probably riot's plan to counter power creep by nerfing everything to make sure that util doesn't become to powerful over time. But I think that players will become better with util so Scream is gonna be less valuable and people think he's the god of eu when he really isn't. There are many players which are pretty close to his level in eu and bring even more value.
Also even though im a c9 simp. I think Leaf is overrated af. And the other players on the team don't get enough love. Like wtf how does no one care about mitch and think he's getting carried. Leaf is a really strong player but he isn't as good as c9 worship him as.
Shahzam is a good igl. I won't lie. But his style of counterstratting. Requires his team to be simply better than the other team. If they aren't. Then you could run into some problems. I do think he's still slightly underrated overall. But the people that think he's the best igl. Are probably wrong. Because Shahzam's true value is his versatility. He can do so many different things. He can frag and he can play multiple roles. I do think he's still probably top 10 players in the world but he's not as good at certain roles as people think.
Dr4goNN [#64]mixwell
I meannnn. ur not wrong but no one actually cares abt mixwell anymore bc he's been doing ehh for a while by this point.
Danny [#62]Xeta
he's good but for some reason I've seen multiple people say he's a top 3 player in NA
Really??? Ive seen more people just not know about xeta lmao. Xeta is a very good player and I don't think he's underrated. But I don't really think he's overrated. His stats are pretty good with the sova considering it's NA. Where most sovas just hide in their hole and bait the whole team to shoot their shock dart lineups and their recon darts.
CesarSalad [#50]I am really unbiased, but why theres so much hate against Hiko? haha
It's probably because his value in pro play is just not as much as other sova's. I do think he's an integral part of 100t though. People who say he should be kicked off the team are simply wrong. But he just doesn't have as much skill as his brand built on him being a pro player shows him as. Like people follow him because they think he is one of the best pro players or at least that's what I think but that's just strange but i guess it makes a little sense because he's a csgo player so people recognize his name.
idkmate99 [#49]
- jjamppi was boom or bust, which is terrible for consistency in a pro team, and it had nothing to do with him being relatively new to the TL squad
- wardell is good, but definitely overrated and I think that's due to him being entertaining on stream
- nitr0 is just washed and needs to go. Not rated highly, and yet he's still overrated as a boom or bust player, mostly bust. Just look at his stats and you'll see
- Every BR team
- EU flashes
Interesting take. One of your takes are good and the rest of them are dipshit. I never knew someone could have a take that could probably piss off everyone simultaneously.
The_IroN_xD [#46]Actually, Team Liquid placed 4th. But you are right about Scream not being overrated.
Not about team rankings , ScreaM and Derke were #2 and #3 in the mvp race
cloud9bluefan [#63]Maybe they meant top 3 sovas in NA
Check the bottom comment in his video: https://youtu.be/ciLo-EfYcbc
Ik it’s youtube comments but wtf
Asphyxia [#65]Uhh. RB maybe? I've seen him be overrated a ton by people who don't even watch korean games. I think he's good though.
TenZ does do really well although he's still very overrated.
Wardell just isn't being favored by the meta so I do think he's overrated is a player in a team even though he's a funny dude.
Scream is most definitely overrated because even though he does carry the team. He just doesn't bring much unique value. Like his util usage is ok but not the best. With the new nerfs to util. He will become better but over time im guessing that util will keep being buffed as that's probably riot's plan to counter power creep by nerfing everything to make sure that util doesn't become to powerful over time. But I think that players will become better with util so Scream is gonna be less valuable and people think he's the god of eu when he really isn't. There are many players which are pretty close to his level in eu and bring even more value.
Also even though im a c9 simp. I think Leaf is overrated af. And the other players on the team don't get enough love. Like wtf how does no one care about mitch and think he's getting carried. Leaf is a really strong player but he isn't as good as c9 worship him as.
Shahzam is a good igl. I won't lie. But his style of counterstratting. Requires his team to be simply better than the other team. If they aren't. Then you could run into some problems. I do think he's still slightly underrated overall. But the people that think he's the best igl. Are probably wrong. Because Shahzam's true value is his versatility. He can do so many different things. He can frag and he can play multiple roles. I do think he's still probably top 10 players in the world but he's not as good at certain roles as people think.
This is wrong
ihsazal [#8]dicey and brax,,,literally everywhere this team needs to sign dicey,,this team needs to sign brax. They are so good bla bla bla.. Yet no team want them
brax has gotten alot of offers and teams actually want him, from what i've heard diceys gotten offers but he makes less $ if he goes with them then just staying on 100t
Asphyxia [#65]Uhh. RB maybe? I've seen him be overrated a ton by people who don't even watch korean games. I think he's good though.
TenZ does do really well although he's still very overrated.
Wardell just isn't being favored by the meta so I do think he's overrated is a player in a team even though he's a funny dude.
Scream is most definitely overrated because even though he does carry the team. He just doesn't bring much unique value. Like his util usage is ok but not the best. With the new nerfs to util. He will become better but over time im guessing that util will keep being buffed as that's probably riot's plan to counter power creep by nerfing everything to make sure that util doesn't become to powerful over time. But I think that players will become better with util so Scream is gonna be less valuable and people think he's the god of eu when he really isn't. There are many players which are pretty close to his level in eu and bring even more value.
Also even though im a c9 simp. I think Leaf is overrated af. And the other players on the team don't get enough love. Like wtf how does no one care about mitch and think he's getting carried. Leaf is a really strong player but he isn't as good as c9 worship him as.
Shahzam is a good igl. I won't lie. But his style of counterstratting. Requires his team to be simply better than the other team. If they aren't. Then you could run into some problems. I do think he's still slightly underrated overall. But the people that think he's the best igl. Are probably wrong. Because Shahzam's true value is his versatility. He can do so many different things. He can frag and he can play multiple roles. I do think he's still probably top 10 players in the world but he's not as good at certain roles as people think.
" Shahzam is a good igl. I won't lie. But his style of counterstratting. Requires his team to be simply better than the other team. If they aren't. Then you could run into some problems. I do think he's still slightly underrated overall. But the people that think he's the best igl. Are probably wrong. Because Shahzam's true value is his versatility. He can do so many different things. He can frag and he can play multiple roles. I do think he's still probably top 10 players in the world but he's not as good at certain roles as people think."
Counterstrating is exploiting weaknesses in your opponents game that's why tier 2 teams use it against tier 1 teams, you don't have to be better you just have to know what your doing and have a decent igl
Swiftmal12 [#78]" Shahzam is a good igl. I won't lie. But his style of counterstratting. Requires his team to be simply better than the other team. If they aren't. Then you could run into some problems. I do think he's still slightly underrated overall. But the people that think he's the best igl. Are probably wrong. Because Shahzam's true value is his versatility. He can do so many different things. He can frag and he can play multiple roles. I do think he's still probably top 10 players in the world but he's not as good at certain roles as people think."
Counterstrating is exploiting weaknesses in your opponents game that's why tier 2 teams use it against tier 1 teams, you don't have to be better you just have to know what your doing and have a decent igl
I usually don't often see t2 teams upset t1 teams with counterstratting. It's honestly pretty rare now. I guess you could say bbg but that day was more of sentinels doing trash than bbg doing well. The only really good examples are from a while back with maybe like dignitas vs tsm. I do think counterstratting is strong. But I personally think having better strats is usually better than counter stratting. And to be consistent with this style of counterstratting. You need a really strong team in the first place for the teams that you don't have much time to counterstrat. I feel like that prep time is more important to have to innovate. And even if they had a while to do prep work. The other team can also do prep work and create strats that can just straight up win them rounds. Sentinels don't have those rounds really. Which I think doesn't help them. Of course since they already have all the best players in the world I guess they could just roll over people with a few ideas of how to counterstrat. But I just think many other igls are just straight up better as igls and people give too much credit towards shahzams igling when it was mostly just a team effort where everyone just played straight up well. Maybe this is a bad take but honestly I don't know if it's that strong of a way to igl.
or maybe it's just because I don't like to watch this style of igling lmao idk. I just think people don't care enough about his other attributes which I think are much better than just his igling. I still stand by my other points.
Oh yea but an example of a team beating another team with innovation is V1 vs C9 bc like if they didn't innovate on post plant meta. C9 probably could've won. And I think there are just so many more examples of t2 teams beating t1 teams by adapting to the meta and innovating and just going farther than just counter stratting. Counter stratting can only get you so far in a game like valorant. It works in Shahzam's case but I don't think it's optimal.
Asphyxia [#79]I usually don't often see t2 teams upset t1 teams with counterstratting. It's honestly pretty rare now. I guess you could say bbg but that day was more of sentinels doing trash than bbg doing well. The only really good examples are from a while back with maybe like dignitas vs tsm. I do think counterstratting is strong. But I personally think having better strats is usually better than counter stratting. And to be consistent with this style of counterstratting. You need a really strong team in the first place for the teams that you don't have much time to counterstrat. I feel like that prep time is more important to have to innovate. And even if they had a while to do prep work. The other team can also do prep work and create strats that can just straight up win them rounds. Sentinels don't have those rounds really. Which I think doesn't help them. Of course since they already have all the best players in the world I guess they could just roll over people with a few ideas of how to counterstrat. But I just think many other igls are just straight up better as igls and people give too much credit towards shahzams igling when it was mostly just a team effort where everyone just played straight up well. Maybe this is a bad take but honestly I don't know if it's that strong of a way to igl.
or maybe it's just because I don't like to watch this style of igling lmao idk. I just think people don't care enough about his other attributes which I think are much better than just his igling. I still stand by my other points.
Oh yea but an example of a team beating another team with innovation is V1 vs C9 bc like if they didn't innovate on post plant meta. C9 probably could've won. And I think there are just so many more examples of t2 teams beating t1 teams by adapting to the meta and innovating and just going farther than just counter stratting. Counter stratting can only get you so far in a game like valorant. It works in Shahzam's case but I don't think it's optimal.
But also I just want to make some hot takes rather than everyone here who has a boring take like i get it tenZ and scream omg who ever knew.
Asphyxia [#80]But also I just want to make some hot takes rather than everyone here who has a boring take like i get it tenZ and scream omg who ever knew.
Honestly I love your takes. People are worshipping TenZ and Shazam but I feel what you feel. When teams get better we will know what they are truly like in a higher competitive environment. TenZ did it twice in C9, it only takes a couple of loses to rattle his cage.
Bunnyezzz [#76]brax has gotten alot of offers and teams actually want him, from what i've heard diceys gotten offers but he makes less $ if he goes with them then just staying on 100t
Source: trust him bro
HaSanity [#56]maybe TL but if you're talking about boaster, you're about to catch deez teef bitch
what LMAOOOOOOO XD
Capi [#51]Scream can't handle pressure of lan...?! Bro just look the first game on split against V1 where he was just to good. The entire 3 games against V1 he played well even when Liquid got destroyed by V1 on haven. Then against Kru Vikings and Fnatic he played good as well. Second best player of Reykjavik i don't call that "can't handle the pressure of lan".
bro cmon you know you can't use logic against people who don't watch the games