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does kr have the talent?

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#1
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Does kr have a deep enough and diverse enough talent pool for 3 kr teams?
i dont think so. (atleast not right now)

maybe its too early to say but the likes of geng/t1 have not looked great so far.
Or is the issue something else?

  • bad management?
  • wrong players wrong roles?
  • bad coaching/strats
  • just too early to say?
#2
andrewdamf
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bad management
could have way better korean players but instead got carpe shit ass

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Ullyr
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That's what I don't understand they have valorant players that's been playing this game since start and decide to sign carpe from OW like 2 months ago ? Carpe looks so lost atm. This team atm looks worse than tier 2.

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andrewdamf
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yeah i really dont know what the fuck they are doing
they really pulled a reverse sentinels signing him for hype or something

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capital_d_colon
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also t1 why the fuck is saya and xeta playing 1 champ across all the maps so far.
its not even like the champs are broken
like why are we playing neon on ascent?!? stop trying to reinvent the wheel just use it ffs.

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pitchfork
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2 & 3

#5
reycac
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nope they suck

#6
archetype
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2/3/4

geng still not bad imo, took a map off drx

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andrewdamf
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ts and meteor needed to destroy in that map to win. ts also won them multiple clutchs, stop using this one map as an excuse lol. just accept that they have a long way to go.

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archetype
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yeah it wasn't clean but it showed it can be done. it's not a non-sign. even being somewhat competitive with drx with only a few months is just good growing indicators. plus secret shit the bed and it still happened.

I'm not saying geng is top 3 pacific league, just that they have potential.

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andrewdamf
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"but it showed it can be done" do you think ts and meteor will always have this performance to carry them? and also rely on rb, stax and mako playing bad? like literally, mako playing badly is literally one of the most rare sights of pro valorant (he literally played insane the next map :skull:) stax too.
i agree they have great potential but saying they arent bad because of 1 map is stupid. if they played like that against any other franchising team in the world except the worst ones like bbl or fut they would lose.

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TS and Meteor probably could pull off these performances ngl.

Obviously it's not like DRX was playing at peak form, and I'm not basing my entire judgment on Gen.G because of 1 map lmfao, I'm just saying they aren't bad and they also took a map off DRX - it's not justification for my judgment.

lol.

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andrewdamf
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saying they arent bad because of 1 map is literally a justification.
ignoring the other 2 maps where they got destroyed is just a plus, ts probably could but meteor def not, atleast on any other agent except jett.

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Show me where I specifically said because in my original statement.

#21
andrewdamf
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?
you dont need to specifically say because, you literally said yourself:
"geng still not bad imo, took a map of drx"
which is a justification and ignoring the other two performances.

#24
archetype
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Use commas to separate independent clauses when they are joined by any of these seven coordinating conjunctions: and, but, for, or, nor, so, yet.

https://www.brandeis.edu/writing-program/resources/students/academic/style-grammar/comma-rules.html

get off my dick broski, it's not necessarily a substitution for because - you just misinterpreted it that way lol

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andrewdamf
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ye i def misinterpreted!!

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Sprouts
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Yes, it’s just that T1 and Gen.G didn’t sign the best KR players. They didn’t sign t3xture and Bazzi, who went to GE instead, and Suggest, who is stuck on DFM. Dplus also has some good talents like Lakia and Sylvan (Rumored), but they don’t like to give players away to their competition

#29
Djysahkb0i
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Slyvan rly deserved for league instead of Secret
imagine Suggest into some korean team would be better
All korean team need IGL like stax but korean have only 1 stax 🥱

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burritx
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its what happens when you throw 4 duelists on a single team

#15
fourlvalorant
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T1 doesn't even look like they have strats
just saya running it down brainlessly hoping to get a pick
also carpe does not look comfortable on valorant yet.
Gen.G took a map off DRX so we'll see if they get better with time similar to T1 but T1 look really rough right now
why do they have Saya on neon on literally every map, put him on jett
Xeta looks great, ban looks uncomfortable on controller and munchkin has been whiffing

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Ullyr
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Idk who there igl is , munchkin maybe but he's been making terrible calls or just outstratted with pretty much every map so far. Also their fundamentals are so bad around trading and taking space. They give it all up and rely on their aim. They also randomly peek just to win aim duels.

#17
SuckOpinion
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1 team region

#18
ajwinner
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There's 4 good Korean players on other teams in the Pacific league, also, it will take some time, but I truly believe there will be a large number of Korean talents in this game in a few years, especially if the most succesful one, DRX can continue to bring attention to Valorant in Korea, hopefully by winning an event

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cyk
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T1 never be good in Valorant

#22
Djysahkb0i
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Riot is korean dickriders cause of LCK there tons of org that more deserve franchise slot like Crazy Racoon Boom Full sense they were real legacy org have history have money then choose org like DFM GENG T1 instead bruh

#25
capital_d_colon
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pacific franchising was a complete shit show with alot of undeserving orgs getting slots, especially some orgs with almost no presence in valorant.

#44
fapcity
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t1 and geng was in valorant for a while just never had success

#68
kapteN
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T1 was the very first org to commit to valorant

#27
ItsMeDio
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💀

And, should had been 3 JP teams imo. Their fans is so huge

smh

#26
DrudaL
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kr only had 1 good team and its always drx
you guys always overrate shit kr teams by saying they can beat this or that, but they can't prove that in lcq 2021&2022

pacific teams secure 26th-30th spot

#28
icutmyhairbecauseyoudontc
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Bruh cmon......

#32
Sprouts
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I agree T1 are bad but you guys seriously are never going to let that 2021 LCQ go lol

#33
icutmyhairbecauseyoudontc
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Agreed past was past

#34
archetype
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they like to talk about 2021 LCQ but 2/3 kr teams made top 4, 2nd place was carried the entire tourney by seoldam, and 1st place got exposed on LAN

it's really not the gotcha they think it is. better to just agree all asian teams are decent but none of them have won trophies, PRX being the closest to bringing glory home to the continent.

#37
Domination
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No they don't but after champs they have delusional fans

#48
Hynix
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Bro's a lil salty that DRX beat Fnatic

#38
Cayub
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Korea doesn't have that much talent and it shows

#39
Blanc_cataloq
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And the whole vlr community saying T1 is top 3 pacific ez 😂😆

#46
TMosura
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In my personal opinion, I think KR has the developing talent pool in becoming a decent top tier region in APAC. However, that time might not be now (if we were to talk about T2-T3 below).

DRX, NU, Damwon (Dplus), F4Q, and ex-ONS were the only ones who had inter-regional and international experiences.

NU became a fossil. ex-ONS has since been gone and some went to Damwon. Damwon alone didn't have the best of times in the EA LCQ. F4Q did decent, but it was clearly not long term. Out of all four, DRX had the management, resources, talent, and experience, to hold the hegemony that is "Korea's Best Team" just because they didn't change out their roster for the majority and they went to the most intl tournaments.

However, reminder that it took even VS until Masters Berlin 2021 to get here. It took a while. Valorant wasn't that rising game thay is currently ranked 3rd in PC-Bangs across South Korea. Just look at the current VCL KR open qualifiers!

New talents and old talents coming in, new ONS got knocked out, mid-T2 players in Rio Company are having a resurgence. New names and new teams are popping up (62 registered for the open quals.)

Besides the hodge-podge teams of Gen.G and T1 (who spent the majority of their time in NA and barely competing in KR maybe except Munchkin), DRX is the only one that maintained their status quo.

I believe before talent, stability will come first into the KR scene. The T2 scene is recovering from losing DRX, but they still have Dplus, NS, CNJ, WGS, Maru, and SPEAR, all local and proven domestic names.

When that T2 stability finally comes, I believe talent will flourish.

#47
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yeah now that valorant is popular in Korea it'll probably be at least a year before some really good kr teams start turning up. it's possible that with the new partnered leagues and VCT format that the development accelerates even within the tier 1 scene, but that's likely just a pipe dream. i figure the pacific league will have to play catch up during 2023 again, the emea/na leagues just look stronger overall.

#49
OzyMeister
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always was and will be a single team region
cosseted by Riot since day1 and overhyped asf among the delusional fans
SEA deserved one more slot and Kr could have 2 instead of 3

#50
fapcity
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korea is capable of building a second great team. Unfortunate because that seem it will take a long time

#55
OzyMeister
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second sure
third thats a stretch (thats why I said SEA could have done better with that slot as they have a huge talent pool compared to KR)

#51
Shownu
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Plastic Surgery is an incredible talent

#52
archetype
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does ur gf have plastic surgery

#65
Shownu
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Thank God, no.

#75
gordonramsay
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She needs it she ugly and fat

#100
Shownu
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Stop describing your family members

#53
wkeyspectre
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me when I forget to bruh my teeth for 20 years(average British)

#56
gordonramsay
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What does that have to do w this you dumb brit

#102
vollizie
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Name doesn't check out

#57
Domination
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This is irrelevant to the topic and other countries have it too🗿

#58
HockeyStick
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British talking ?

#54
souvlaki
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they have a decent talent just that people overhype them

#59
tronunz
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.

#60
my_fav_team_is_M3C
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Korea has the lowest birth rates in the World, soon they won’t have much (enough) talents to compete with other nations in any sports.

#62
OnlyOneStar
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Population has nothing to do with talent pool

#70
my_fav_team_is_M3C
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It has eventually, Korea is dying demographically

#61
JiangLi
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For last 2.5 years they got every help they possibly could , from the highest prize pools to playing their challengers on LAN and getting a direct slot to the highest stage in Valorant and still barely got any decent players in T2.
This is what happens when all of your players regardless they shit or not all go into franchising teams .
Like it tells you all when players like carpe get a direct spot in a partner team
LCQ was the funniest part of the whole 2.5year timeline when their teams got shit on by EDG and KONE lmao

None of that matters but what makes me angry is all these kr users have alw tried to belittle sea fans and acting superior like they did something

#63
R136a1
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didnt sea fans shit talk kr users first? i saw bunch of ppl straight up disrespecting drx and the region itself when prx got 2nd place in masters

#66
pitchfork
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got downvoted cz ppl cant handle the truth

#73
proud_bandwagoners
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Bro you're in VLR. people here shit talk on everything

#78
JiangLi
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you think PRX didn't get disrespected before ? 🤣🤣
Copenhagen is still a recent event , do you know how much APAC teams got shit talked alr

#81
R136a1
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bro i swear there was a moment where SEA fans literally belittled any other asian region. plue there arent many real koreans out here who shit talk other region anyway

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JiangLi is notorious for being a delusional APAC fan to the point where some other APAC fans don't like him too. I just gave up on arguing with him, shit's not worth it bro.

Notice how you talked about DRX getting disrespected by APAC fans first and he starts spewing shit about how PRX got flamed before instead? Crazy strawman.

#94
R136a1
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i thought he as a decent user at first but you right...

#96
JiangLi
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proceeds to call me a "delusional apac fans" when bro dont have any arguments against .
You think DRX is only disrespected by APAC fans ? Everyone makes fun of them and why would they not ?
PRX played so bad at champs and everyone made fun of them but who cares ? They played shit
Like PRX with shiba literally went out with 0 kills and it was so funny and everyone made fun of them
You suddenly get the victim mentality whenever theres anything Korean related . just shut up bro

Also who are these apac users who hate me man ? I didnt come here in vlr to make friends lmao . You needa go out bro if you care about those things . I only say what i see for the time im following esports

#87
JiangLi
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"there was a moment" like what moment you talking about
sea fans literally make fun of each other all the time

#93
R136a1
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its ok, if you are so delusional you can forget things that does not favor you :D Laz owns your team anyway XD

#97
JiangLi
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you didnt answer my question tho

#72
gordonramsay
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Nah you jealous broke sea fans are obsessed with us. In the end we will dominate asia region jn valorant too watch

#77
JiangLi
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you are most braindead person in this site tho
Not even soulstalker or sabbatical can beat you in that competition

#80
gordonramsay
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😂😂😂 “singapore would be easy top 5 in a valorant world cup”? You telling me im braindead?

#82
JiangLi
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lmao guy took me seriously on a fantasy world cup thread 🤣
Also post the whole message bro why did you edit it out ?
who you scared from sia

#83
gordonramsay
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I felt bad for you. Dogshit singapore really top 5 valorant world cup? That was probably one of the most delusional takes ive heard so far.

#85
JiangLi
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Singaporeans and their team have actually achieved the most in APAC internationally
why you feel bad for sgpeans ? also trying to steer away the convo
just post the whole message , let others see you cringe meatrider

#88
gordonramsay
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You right 2 singaporeans 💀💀 its like chinese lpl teams importing koreans and calling it success. You msg me when another asian region has 2 teams that placed top 3 internationally.

#89
JiangLi
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2 sgpeans enough alr for a small region like ours
guy is a LCK frog who would've thought lmao
bringing up other game stories in Valorant .
Also China owns your region in valo tho and funny enough even Indians owned your team

#90
gordonramsay
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😂 😂 ah you keep coming back to china owns our region. Even kang kang knows who owns asia bro. Wake up its drx and will be drx. China cant even own us in their most popular game what you think gonna happen here. Its def gonna be a good rivalry tho we ll win some and lose some

#84
gordonramsay
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We can link up so wya send the addy. Aint nobody scared here I just feel bad for you fat fucks

#64
Valgod
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It took drx 3 years to be decent, these other Korean teams will need 5 years to compete against other regions

#67
supernova
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xD

You know the answer to this question lil bro lol

-Supernova The King of Valorant

#99
fapcity
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hey I like brazil why u dont like us

#101
supernova
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I have no problem with Korea but DRX fans are so delusional and keep overestimating this team
I can't bro...

-Supernova The King of Valorant

#69
BoDork
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Sungmin will carry Korea with the amount of good talent he finds

#91
capital_d_colon
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dont forget pine teaching the new generation his ways.

#71
SigmaMale
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Yeah they do but they are over represented

#74
nuttito
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2 and 4 I think.

#76
gordonramsay
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😂😂 all these bullshit posts. I cant wait for pacific league

#92
jimjam789
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ong bruh just relax I've just learnt to let it go. let our teams do the talking. they will shut up like they did at champs

#79
Blanc_cataloq
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Yes. Riot gave them 3 spot in franchising coz they have huge player base, huge viewership, huge achievements, 30+ great contender teams(but i can only remember 1), best in da world 🔥

#95
HockeyStick
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Am i the only one that can supp any team from Asia in intercontinental matches? I supp zeta drx prx edg xerxia and even boom in all international events

#98
DELUSIONAL_LAKIA_FAN
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yes but i dont think the current korean rosters in franchising reflect the best talents korea has to offer.

i do think the talent pool severely lacks IGL's, which i think is t1's BIGGEST issue, there isnt an experienced and proven igl on the team. the team is lacking direction

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