cNed

nice pickup, no?

he has had really good game so far

He hits his shots that's for sure, but idk, feels like the team has to play more around him than they used to play around ardiis. They rely on him now, which is not necessarily bad but I don't like it

one of the best transfers, even if some things don't come out

his jett is just diff

Mortadelo [#3]

He hits his shots that's for sure, but idk, feels like the team has to play more around him than they used to play around ardiis. They rely on him now, which is not necessarily bad but I don't like it

how ?

his chamber is nice too people just underestimate him because acend didn't do well and cned couldn't 1v9 with chamber that's all

wohe [#6]

how ?

We haven't seen it yet but if cned doesn't pop off,maybe Navi doesn't win. Almost all the times Navi won in this tournament was due to cned going crazy. In fpx,all players were equally cracked. This might turn into an acend situation is what op fears maybe

Gutssz [#4]

one of the best transfers, even if some things don't come out

nvm

wohe [#6]

how ?

Well first of all now they have to try and fit Jett in as many maps as possible, second of all with ardiis I feel like they were more a team, more equilibrated meanwhile now it feels more like them relying on a superstar, which is amazing when he pops off like today but I don't like it long term. Also mixwell said in his stream he can't think of anyone in the scene who talks as much as ardiis does in game, he is very communicative and brings a great mood which now Ange1 has to do all by himself. Overall it's an individual upgrade but a team downgrade imo

Gutssz [#9]

nvm

Değil, 1 milyon kere söyledi

Mortadelo [#10]

Well first of all now they have to try and fit Jett in as many maps as possible, second of all with ardiis I feel like they were more a team, more equilibrated meanwhile now it feels more like them relying on a superstar, which is amazing when he pops off like today but I don't like it long term. Also mixwell said in his stream he can't think of anyone in the scene who talks as much as ardiis does in game, he is very communicative and brings a great mood which now Ange1 has to do all by himself. Overall it's an individual upgrade but a team downgrade imo

hmm only time will tell how he meshes in

Certainly... but to add that though today's matches are not officials, Vitality might and should play better as a team... they urgently need to tighten that up as seeing Molsi hard carry like that is just awful... Hope they'll adjust on this soner or later <3

wohe [#12]

hmm only time will tell how he meshes in

Yup, we'll see

and people were doubting him:)))). see what this man can do with a good and functional roster!

they couldn't have replaced ardiis better. they have replaced him pretty well

People forget the fact quite easily that cNed has been one of the talented and considered to be the greatest VAL player. Even though ardiis was the key player that dragged the team into success, cNed is definitely a great replacement of him even will be better.

Mortadelo [#14]

Yup, we'll see

You are basing your claims on nothing but mixwells words

Also this is a practice tournament pretty sure they won’t just bring all their strats to it

USCK [#18]

You are basing your claims on nothing but mixwells words

Also this is a practice tournament pretty sure they won’t just bring all their strats to it

Did you even read my post?

Mortadelo [#10]

Well first of all now they have to try and fit Jett in as many maps as possible, second of all with ardiis I feel like they were more a team, more equilibrated meanwhile now it feels more like them relying on a superstar, which is amazing when he pops off like today but I don't like it long term. Also mixwell said in his stream he can't think of anyone in the scene who talks as much as ardiis does in game, he is very communicative and brings a great mood which now Ange1 has to do all by himself. Overall it's an individual upgrade but a team downgrade imo

Zyppan said it too in the interview that yes indeed cNed is the best op-er but ardiis is more communicative in-game. They need to work on it as a team. And I feel like they're not heavy-reliant to cNed but instead they 'want' him to show off his skills in-game to build his confidence? I don't know lol but imo NaVi is still testing around.

Mortadelo [#19]

Did you even read my post?

The maps he plays jett someone else plays chamber pretty sure they are still testing stuff out this doesn’t prove your point of Navi relying on him

USCK [#21]

The maps he plays jett someone else plays chamber pretty sure they are still testing stuff out this doesn’t prove your point of Navi relying on him

I'm gonna explain you the three claims again

1. cNed is less flexible than Ardis which makes them have to include Jett or chamber on every map, preferably Jett which might not always be an issue but it definitely can be on some maps, making them re arrange roles and stuff, just less possibilities in general

2. When I used to watch FPX play I felt like they were all a machine, they were all equally as important and worked a lot more together, meanwhile now at least with what we've seen the team relies on cNed's plays more which is not bad cause he is insane but if he has an off day the team is going to struggle a lot more than they used to.

3. Yes Mixwell said ardiis is insanely communicative, he's played with him and he knows, many people have said it too tho. First the mood he brings, ardiis has a lot of personality which is very good for the team atmosphere and make everyone feel more comfortable. And second, now Ange1 has to do a lot more calling and the comms in general are worse cause cNed is also specially not very communicative which I guess it's a part of the language barrier for example. He usually compensates that killing 3 per round but if he doesn't one day then you lose way more than if ardiis doesn't.

So, yes, individual upgrade, team downgrade imo

Mortadelo [#22]

I'm gonna explain you the three claims again

1. cNed is less flexible than Ardis which makes them have to include Jett or chamber on every map, preferably Jett which might not always be an issue but it definitely can be on some maps, making them re arrange roles and stuff, just less possibilities in general

2. When I used to watch FPX play I felt like they were all a machine, they were all equally as important and worked a lot more together, meanwhile now at least with what we've seen the team relies on cNed's plays more which is not bad cause he is insane but if he has an off day the team is going to struggle a lot more than they used to.

3. Yes Mixwell said ardiis is insanely communicative, he's played with him and he knows, many people have said it too tho. First the mood he brings, ardiis has a lot of personality which is very good for the team atmosphere and make everyone feel more comfortable. And second, now Ange1 has to do a lot more calling and the comms in general are worse cause cNed is also specially not very communicative which I guess it's a part of the language barrier for example. He usually compensates that killing 3 per round but if he doesn't one day then you lose way more than if ardiis doesn't.

So, yes, individual upgrade, team downgrade imo

Ardiis played either jett or chamber over 80% but yes you are right about flexibility but Optic had the same issue with Yay as well and it wasn’t much of a problem for them so we have to wait and see

USCK [#23]

Ardiis played either jett or chamber over 80% but yes you are right about flexibility but Optic had the same issue with Yay as well and it wasn’t much of a problem for them so we have to wait and see

Ardiis did play those agents most maps, but there's a difference between not playing other agents because you don't have to and because you can't yk. Yeah ofc Optic had that issue and they overcame it, but it's better not to have it isn't it

Mortadelo [#24]

Ardiis did play those agents most maps, but there's a difference between not playing other agents because you don't have to and because you can't yk. Yeah ofc Optic had that issue and they overcame it, but it's better not to have it isn't it

cNed can play sage as well but we haven’t seen that utilised yet but yes Ardiis was more flexible

Also the problem isn’t as big as you claim it to be most teams have a strict dualist/chamber player

USCK [#25]

cNed can play sage as well but we haven’t seen that utilised yet but yes Ardiis was more flexible

Also the problem isn’t as big as you claim it to be most teams have a strict dualist/chamber player

Only time will tell. cNed was definitely the best replacement they could have found tho, other than maybe Sayf? Idk but yeah, Navi looks good

Mortadelo [#22]

I'm gonna explain you the three claims again

1. cNed is less flexible than Ardis which makes them have to include Jett or chamber on every map, preferably Jett which might not always be an issue but it definitely can be on some maps, making them re arrange roles and stuff, just less possibilities in general

2. When I used to watch FPX play I felt like they were all a machine, they were all equally as important and worked a lot more together, meanwhile now at least with what we've seen the team relies on cNed's plays more which is not bad cause he is insane but if he has an off day the team is going to struggle a lot more than they used to.

3. Yes Mixwell said ardiis is insanely communicative, he's played with him and he knows, many people have said it too tho. First the mood he brings, ardiis has a lot of personality which is very good for the team atmosphere and make everyone feel more comfortable. And second, now Ange1 has to do a lot more calling and the comms in general are worse cause cNed is also specially not very communicative which I guess it's a part of the language barrier for example. He usually compensates that killing 3 per round but if he doesn't one day then you lose way more than if ardiis doesn't.

So, yes, individual upgrade, team downgrade imo

dude about the first claim, ardis did play different agents but maaaan was he uncomfortable and he played them poorly so idk if that's really flexing u know

2nd is true kinda but i don't mind having a superstar to play around it's done like that in a lot of teams

3rd this part i even thought about, without mixwell's words i can already know that ardiss brings in a lot of good vibes to the team and he's unlike cNed very communicative, but do i think this necessary is an important factor ? no, i think they will be just fine

wohe [#27]

dude about the first claim, ardis did play different agents but maaaan was he uncomfortable and he played them poorly so idk if that's really flexing u know

2nd is true kinda but i don't mind having a superstar to play around it's done like that in a lot of teams

3rd this part i even thought about, without mixwell's words i can already know that ardiss brings in a lot of good vibes to the team and he's unlike cNed very communicative, but do i think this necessary is an important factor ? no, i think they will be just fine

Well yeah ofc Ardiis is not the best flex in the world, pretty much played Jett, Chamber and Kayo, but the simple possibility of playing kayo and not chamber nor Jett on a map is very important, maybe having Zyppan Raze yk. Ardiis kayo was good enough

I do think the communicative factor is huge, hitting shots it's not always the most important thing. But again, only time will tell