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#1
TS_ChedZ

wtf

#2
Klause
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Btw what time is it in Australia

#5
Luck_
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10:12 am for me
different timezones in the country though
i know its 8:12 in perth

#6
TS_ChedZ
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9:43 for me

#9
Klause
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Ohh.. Its 5.40 am in here

#11
TS_ChedZ
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the article came out at 11pm last night.

maybe VLR could think about timezones. and release articles at convenient times for the regions affected most by the article

#3
TS_ChedZ
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rito has made a habit out of screwing our region over.

Cancelling OPL, Fucking us over in the entirety of 2021 VOT, Fucking us over in NA LCQ 2021.

and now refusing to put an OCE team into franchising. There are so many good options and you just decided to put 5 Korean Teams in contention instead.

The ONLY good thing that Riot has done for us in the past 7 years is giving us seeding into APAC, and that's it. there has been NOTHING else that Riot games has done to support our region.

The Chiefs
REIGN
Renegades
PGG
PEACE

all amazing orgs.

The LEAST that riot games could do is address the hate toward OCE. not asking them to fix it, not asking them to remedy it.
Just asking for recognition. That's All

#4
Skyss
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Sad bro we know whats u feel

OCE, TH and ID deserved to get 1 slot each other

#7
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5 kr is ridiculous. so many great regions fucked bc of that shit decision. really hoping its not confirmed yet and there is still hope. imo it should have been 3kr 2jp 3sea 1oce and 1 sa. by sea i mean a variety, like bleed, xerxia and boom or something! it would have left something looking like

DRX
another kr team that idk (maybe dwg? idk)
another kr team that idk
ZETA
CR/REJECT
XERXIA
BLEED
BOOM
GE
PWR/RENEGADES/PEACE/REIGN/WHOEVER ELSE

i think this would have satisfied everyone and gave every region a solid chance!

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TS_ChedZ
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Renegades and REIGN are HQ'd in America. :/

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ohhh yeah forgot about reign. what about mindfreak? what happened to them?

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TS_ChedZ
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never really been a strong org.

#19
MantapMas
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BOOM is already out :(

#22
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sucks.

#29
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BLEED didn’t apply for partnership because of a M&A apparently which ALOT of people have linked to PRX so I guess you could say in a way BLEED could still make it??

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TS_ChedZ
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It's 100% linked to PRX

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yeah. strange for them and they also said in their tweet that they are still involved with valorant, 'one way or another' no idea what this means but maybe they will merge with an org like prx, there has been talk for a while that they could pick up their roster. idk, ig we will find out

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Yeah, well from my understanding PRX financially weren’t looking too great in terms of partnership but BLEED were and the fan base for PRX is huge, in terms of viewership PRX is surely pulling insane numbers. I think they knew regardless of what happened the fans would follow but if you don’t have to make them go anywhere why bother? Idk that’s just thought of mine.

#38
Luck_
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yeah that is true. kinda no point if there is no particualr reason to

#58
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nah, it two kr, because the 4 seas can be

Indonesia
Singapore/Malaysia
Thailand
Philippines

not sure about Vietnamese and Hong Kong tho. Maybe go with China in the later year.

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If it’s true that KR is getting 5 slots that just seems fucking dumb no? Surely there is a better way to do slot distribution rather than saying “well, looks like KR is the only financial ones”

If they gave 1 slot to OCE it would boost the fuck outta the scene and people would actually start to take the game a lot more seriously than they do, there would be more of a path and more of a reason for these pros to continue. Too many OCE pros have given up hope of our region because it’s not sustainable long term because Riot doesn’t want to take a punt.

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TS_ChedZ
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I dont know why this surprised me.

oh well, back to watching OCE get fucked id CS, atleast they get a chance to play.

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ORDER used to be very good in cs didnt they? i dont know a lot about cs but didnt they qual for a major at some point?

#17
TS_ChedZ
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ORDER sucked at CS until the Renegade M&A.

The best OCE team would have been either 100T or Renegades.

https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/StarLadder/2019/Major
https://liquipedia.net/counterstrike/Intel_Extreme_Masters/Season_XIII/World_Championship

It sucks that we suck :/

#13
Tyzehhxo
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Shouldn’t have surprised any of us to be fair, yet it still surprised us that we’re getting left out again. Guess it’s just LPL Winter/Summer/Spring Cups for all of 2023 we will be watching…

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yeah it really sucks to waste their potential. some of our players can keep up with the world's best. imo rDeeW is one of the best in APAC and wronski is one of the best jett players in APAC. sad to see it go. just have to hope now that it wasn't confirmed yet and it still can change in time.

#21
KoreanOverlord
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even if things change, the only possibility is getting more jp teams

oce just unlucky order blew up financially

#23
TS_ChedZ
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really makes me think about how much the RenegadesCS M&A cost.

#39
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even without buying the roster.
they wouldve gone under.
the plan was to sell merchandise in 2021 and that failed really

#45
TS_ChedZ
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yeah, I heard that. pretty sure it's just excuses, my ORDER source said that It was because of poor choices. I heard the Renegades roster cost them >1mil

#57
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damn thats pricey.
though they are the best oce team
and have a very high chance at making it to the major.
1m is way too much though

#26
Tyzehhxo
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Oh dude rDeeW and WRONSKI are just the tip of the iceberg in OCE man, we’ve got some super talented players who are dedicated as fuck to just be recognised and would easily keep up in APAC. Hopefully better news comes, if Riot really has given 5 slots to KR I think they’ve made a huge mistake, but hey, nothings confirmed yet.

#28
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yeah! good to have some sort of hopium left to cling on!

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Only thing I can see happening is rdeew getting picked up T2 na and then getting promoted

#33
TS_ChedZ
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🐐Has said he doesn't want to move to NA.

#36
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welp promotion to the franchise leagues it is 💪
hopefully an org can come and back the boys

#56
Tyzehhxo
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Yeah but if a team throws a bag at him in sure he will reconsider. Moving away would be super scary but everyone has a price.

#24
Faraday
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how the fuck is global esports in contention but no OCE, man fuck riot. This is so sad bros, just 1 team, is that too much to ask

#25
TS_ChedZ
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yes, apparently it is.

#27
Luck_
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IKR! its so sad for us! the ORDERARMY is falling apart. we have no choice but to move on now. no more OCE flairs or anything. just sadness as we support a new region. fuck riot

#37
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sadly i think order was the only chance..

#40
Luck_
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yeah it all happened at the worst time. unfortunately this time they weren't able to make any magic.

#43
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aussie esports is really on the decline.
i remember seeing you guys do really well in csgo, rocket league.
only thing you got going for you guys right now is apex

#47
TS_ChedZ
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;-; We'll get back up... We always do.

#48
KoreanOverlord
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not this time.

keep some hopium in case Renegades makes it

#50
TS_ChedZ
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Major regions will never understand minor regions. I've learned that today.

#51
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should i even mention what happened in league...
riot literally shut down your league.
they generally hate oce.

#52
TS_ChedZ
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read #3

#53
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its funny cause the only good thing (apac slots)
oce got 1
whereas countries less competitive like vietnam got 3

#54
TS_ChedZ
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how is that funny?

#55
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funny in a sad way.
the only good thing you guys got would be the worst thing for other regions.

Literally no other sub region gets less than 2 slots in apac.

#67
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Global esports had korean teams of fortnite and overwatch,Indian pc team of overwatch and have ready to set up bootcamp in korea, they have recently entered into profit and their mobile teams also did good.So thier financials are strong, plus the audience is decent from SA in regional finals with live watching 20k for yt and and across platform being 500k for the GE vs VLT, they have also continued visiting singapore despite of constant L .As Order is in a turmoil getting franchising to a complete new org in valorant is not better than franchising an already established org with valorant team from 2020 .Basically they know a lot about playing around korea ..

#59
QGG
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Fk that shit dude we will go through ascension and fuck every partnered team

#62
TS_ChedZ
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preach

#65
Marcusgeez
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Gigachad making it to the league thru ascension not privileged partnered bullshit

#66
Stratos
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GIGACHAD MINDSET

#60
Klause
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I dont know about OCE but rito should force the new korean orgs to pick xerxia and boom or some other roster.
Thats what i think should happen... If they have to give 5 slots to kr.

#61
thatpower
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that's what i think will happen if kr does get 5

#63
archetype
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Dude it is so fucking unlucky that ORDER blew up

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