GenG vs TSM/Soniqs?
even if TSM defeats soniqs can they defeat GenG?
Viper and Yoru buffs
HRTF Audio
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koosta
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Round 12
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Round 10
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MkaeL
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Round 11
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Round 18
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hazed
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Round 9
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Round 4
Subroza
reltuC
Round 8
Subroza
Drone
Round 13
hazed
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Round 14
hazed
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gMd
Round 16
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4
Round 4
WARDELL
hazed
Round 6
hazed
Subroza
Round 11
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Round 15
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Round 14
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Round 13
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40
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2
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Round 4
HUYNH
gMd
Round 10
koosta
gMd
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1
Round 19
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koosta
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Round 4
gMd
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47
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6
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0
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WARDELL
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2
Round 7
koosta
gMd
Round 9
gMd
MkaeL
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3
Round 2
HUYNH
koosta
Shawn12590
Round 3
HUYNH
MkaeL
gMd
Round 12
gMd
MkaeL
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Round 1
Shawn12590
gMd
MkaeL
HUYNH
Round 6
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HUYNH
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Round 9
MkaeL
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1
Round 18
koosta
MkaeL
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107
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1
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1
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reltuC
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3
Round 4
MkaeL
Shawn12590
Round 8
HUYNH
koosta
Round 17
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34
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1
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hazed
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Round 3
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Round 8
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Round 9
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41
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Round 2
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Round 7
MkaeL
Shawn12590
Round 12
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koosta
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Round 16
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koosta
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60
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koosta
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Round 16
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Round 6
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Round 1
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Round 1
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Round 3
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Round 9
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Round 14
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Round 18
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Round 20
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Round 9
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Round 9
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Round 4
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Round 6
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Round 3
gMd
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Round 4
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Round 8
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gMd
Round 10
gMd
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Round 7
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Round 3
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Round 1
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Round 7
gMd
MkaeL
Round 8
koosta
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Round 11
MkaeL
Shawn12590
gMd
Round 12
HUYNH
gMd
MkaeL
Round 13
gMd
koosta
MkaeL
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Round 22
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Round 5
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Honestly... I'm not a TSM fan, so don't call me out... But I think TSM take this one 2-1. I think TSM, for a while, have had a good read on GenG as a team. If GenG doesn't come up with come crazy shit, I think TSM could pull out an upset here. Both teams look shaky as of late, but the pressure is definitely on GenG. I think it's close either way.
Nah, Soniqs on Icebox is a different breed. Even SEN almost got shit on CT side. Soniqs got to 9-3 half. But SEN managed to pull the comeback cuz the players are just individually better and they won the gun fights on T side. I think most teams would lose to Soniqs with their Viper/Killjoy post plants comp.
I was one of the first TSM fans to vocally call for Cutler's removal, but now I'm reluctant. The team should probably keep him to play Astra in some games. Let's take full advantage of the 6-man roster. Play Brax unless Cutler is required. TSM can switch them out per map.
I think TSM needs to bring in another player before they can fully drop Cutler. Brax isn't the same type of player as Cutler. He's like Wardell in that I only realistically see him on sentinel agents. If he can expand his agent pool, I'd love to be surprised.
It shows that you are not familiar with TSM. Brax mains duelists like Jett/Reyna, not sentinels. He was put in the sentinel position cuz the team needed it more to replace Hazed on the first qualifier. I really don't think Brax can do any good with TSM's comp cuz no way TSM gets rid of Wardell/Drone/Broza, which means that only Hazed and Cutler can be cut. But Hazed is sentinel and Cutler is IGL which Brax is not known to be good at those roles.
Eh, you can check comment history if you want. I'm a pretty big fan lol, I'd say I'm familiar with the team and the comps they like to run. Until he mains duelists in pro play against legitimate teams, I'm not buying it. Comp is one thing, pro play is another.
Like I've said a few times before, he doesn't really fit TSM's roster. It's hard to replace Cutler since I don't think Brax can IGL or play Astra. I'd rather keep Hazed.
Brax or Hazed both can play Astra, it's not a big thing. And really if TSM is looking for long term benefits, they should replace Cutler with Brax or else everyone have seen in past months that now Cutler is not a player who can win you match on his own performance. And if people say he's playing controller, I'd give example of Gmd, s0m, Nirto and many more who play support but still frag for team very well.