TSM vs IMT... i dont know how TSM always pick the wrong end of the stick in challengers
April 3, 2021
8:05 PM EDT
Patch 2.05
IMT ban Ascent; TSM ban Icebox; TSM pick Haven; IMT pick Bind; Split remains
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1.67 1.07 1.77 | 340 128 376 | 17 2 15 | / 7 2 5 / | 2 1 1 | +10 0 +10 | 93% 100% 92% | 207 91 227 | 46% 67% 44% | 4 0 4 | 1 0 1 | +3 0 +3 | |
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1.64 1.08 1.74 | 267 13 310 | 15 2 13 | / 3 1 2 / | 3 0 3 | +12 +1 +11 | 86% 50% 92% | 166 13 191 | 35% 0% 36% | 1 0 1 | 0 0 0 | +1 0 +1 | |
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1.63 0.57 1.81 | 279 46 318 | 15 1 14 | / 5 1 4 / | 5 0 5 | +10 0 +10 | 93% 50% 100% | 153 13 176 | 20% 0% 20% | 2 0 2 | 1 1 0 | +1 -1 +2 | |
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1.19 1.47 1.14 | 177 131 185 | 10 1 9 | / 4 0 4 / | 5 1 4 | +6 +1 +5 | 93% 100% 92% | 123 78 130 | 26% 25% 27% | 1 0 1 | 0 0 0 | +1 0 +1 | |
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1.07 2.37 0.86 | 206 245 200 | 10 4 6 | / 7 1 6 / | 2 1 1 | +3 +3 0 | 71% 100% 67% | 86 111 82 | 0% 0% 0% | 4 1 3 | 0 0 0 | +4 +1 +3 |
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0.75 0.88 0.03 | 163 185 39 | 6 6 0 | / 14 12 2 / | 6 6 0 | -8 -6 -2 | 64% 75% | 112 124 39 | 47% 44% 100% | 0 0 0 | 2 2 0 | -2 -2 0 | |
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0.72 0.87 0.01 | 165 184 52 | 7 7 0 | / 13 11 2 / | 2 2 0 | -6 -4 -2 | 57% 67% | 117 134 15 | 53% 56% 0% | 0 0 0 | 4 3 1 | -4 -3 -1 | |
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0.39 0.39 0.38 | 76 63 156 | 3 2 1 | / 13 11 2 / | 2 2 0 | -10 -9 -1 | 36% 33% 50% | 62 58 83 | 33% 33% 33% | 0 0 0 | 1 1 0 | -1 -1 0 | |
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0.36 0.19 1.39 | 135 87 427 | 6 3 3 | / 14 12 2 / | 1 0 1 | -8 -9 +1 | 36% 25% 100% | 60 51 113 | 40% 40% 40% | 2 1 1 | 4 4 0 | -2 -3 +1 | |
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0.21 0.22 0.08 | 82 84 74 | 4 3 1 | / 13 11 2 / | 2 2 0 | -9 -8 -1 | 50% 50% 50% | 47 54 | 25% 25% | 0 0 0 | 1 1 0 | -1 -1 0 |
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1.38 1.70 1.56 | 334 282 371 | 39 15 24 | / 21 10 11 / | 8 2 6 | +18 +5 +13 | 88% 79% 95% | 198 184 209 | 27% 24% 29% | 7 3 4 | 5 2 3 | +2 +1 +1 | |
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1.22 1.75 1.53 | 249 195 281 | 30 11 19 | / 12 5 7 / | 11 3 8 | +18 +6 +12 | 88% 79% 95% | 138 133 142 | 24% 32% 20% | 4 0 4 | 1 1 0 | +3 -1 +4 | |
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1.29 0.93 1.08 | 239 280 218 | 29 17 12 | / 21 10 11 / | 7 2 5 | +8 +7 +1 | 73% 71% 74% | 127 161 101 | 24% 19% 32% | 5 2 3 | 2 0 2 | +3 +2 +1 | |
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1.08 1.03 1.05 | 167 175 159 | 22 9 13 | / 15 7 8 / | 7 2 5 | +7 +2 +5 | 82% 79% 84% | 107 117 100 | 25% 26% 24% | 2 1 1 | 1 1 0 | +1 0 +1 | |
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0.44 1.41 1.00 | 185 77 243 | 21 5 16 | / 17 11 6 / | 8 4 4 | +4 -6 +10 | 82% 71% 89% | 106 49 148 | 31% 36% 29% | 4 2 2 | 2 2 0 | +2 0 +2 |
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1.07 0.91 0.99 | 206 206 221 | 24 15 9 | / 26 16 10 / | 7 3 4 | -2 -1 -1 | 64% 68% 57% | 136 141 130 | 40% 50% 28% | 1 0 1 | 5 3 2 | -4 -3 -1 | |
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0.84 1.13 0.96 | 182 165 213 | 19 10 9 | / 26 17 9 / | 9 7 2 | -7 -7 0 | 76% 79% 71% | 118 112 126 | 24% 39% 16% | 0 0 0 | 2 2 0 | -2 -2 0 | |
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0.36 0.92 0.60 | 166 136 218 | 18 8 10 | / 30 18 12 / | 6 1 5 | -12 -10 -2 | 45% 37% 57% | 95 82 113 | 33% 19% 45% | 7 4 3 | 9 6 3 | -2 -2 0 | |
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0.51 0.55 0.53 | 122 102 166 | 13 6 7 | / 28 16 12 / | 4 3 1 | -15 -10 -5 | 48% 42% 57% | 90 79 105 | 28% 25% 32% | 3 1 2 | 5 2 3 | -2 -1 -1 | |
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0.16 0.67 0.37 | 115 73 183 | 12 4 8 | / 31 18 13 / | 7 4 3 | -19 -14 -5 | 48% 47% 50% | 73 45 112 | 21% 17% 24% | 0 0 0 | 1 1 0 | -1 -1 0 |
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1.49 1.43 1.58 | 328 308 363 | 22 13 9 | / 14 8 6 / | 6 1 5 | +8 +5 +3 | 84% 75% 100% | 192 199 179 | 17% 21% 11% | 3 3 0 | 4 2 2 | -1 +1 -2 | |
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1.45 1.33 1.66 | 218 219 217 | 15 10 5 | / 7 4 3 / | 6 3 3 | +8 +6 +2 | 84% 83% 86% | 128 153 85 | 31% 33% 20% | 2 0 2 | 0 0 0 | +2 0 +2 | |
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1.08 1.11 1.04 | 272 286 249 | 19 13 6 | / 14 9 5 / | 5 1 4 | +5 +4 +1 | 74% 67% 86% | 157 170 135 | 31% 24% 47% | 1 1 0 | 2 0 2 | -1 +1 -2 | |
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0.95 1.01 0.83 | 157 183 116 | 12 8 4 | / 11 7 4 / | 2 1 1 | +1 +1 0 | 74% 75% 71% | 95 123 48 | 23% 26% 17% | 1 1 0 | 1 1 0 | 0 0 0 | |
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0.52 0.33 0.84 | 102 87 128 | 6 3 3 | / 14 10 4 / | 5 4 1 | -8 -7 -1 | 79% 75% 86% | 62 55 74 | 25% 38% 13% | 3 2 1 | 2 2 0 | +1 0 +1 |
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1.18 1.40 1.06 | 246 243 249 | 17 8 9 | / 13 5 8 / | 5 1 4 | +4 +3 +1 | 68% 71% 67% | 151 153 149 | 34% 43% 29% | 1 0 1 | 1 0 1 | 0 0 0 | |
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1.12 0.78 1.32 | 201 132 242 | 13 4 9 | / 12 5 7 / | 3 1 2 | +1 -1 +2 | 84% 86% 83% | 122 91 140 | 17% 30% 14% | 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | |
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0.77 0.66 0.84 | 196 221 183 | 12 5 7 | / 16 6 10 / | 5 1 4 | -4 -1 -3 | 53% 57% 50% | 121 136 113 | 30% 13% 47% | 5 3 2 | 5 2 3 | 0 +1 -1 | |
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0.63 0.72 0.58 | 167 168 168 | 10 4 6 | / 15 5 10 / | 2 1 1 | -5 -1 -4 | 58% 57% 58% | 111 114 109 | 26% 20% 32% | 3 1 2 | 4 1 3 | -1 0 -1 | |
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0.49 0.04 0.77 | 147 54 202 | 8 1 7 | / 18 7 11 / | 5 2 3 | -10 -6 -4 | 47% 43% 50% | 93 30 130 | 19% 0% 24% | 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 | 0 0 0 |
Head-to-head
Past Matches
kinda weird how out of most of the tier one teams in the brackets TSM happens to be against IMT. Unlucky
If they can't beat IMT than they don't deserve to qualify anyways. IMT is a great team but if TSM can't beat IMT, then they aren't going to beat Sen, Envy, FaZe, GenG and probably teams like 100T, LG and XSET
So you say that Envy, FaZe, Sen, Gen G, 100T, LG and XSET are better than IMT ?
Judged from recent results, IMT would beat mist of them and even the Top 3 of your examples (Sen, Envy and LG (MY opinion)), all got beaten by IMT in recent past...
Most important game for TSM, their moral either go up or just get flushed. Really want them to pull this off!
this is honestly a good draw for tsm there are 8 brackets all divided by the 8 teams that made masters if you want to make the main event you have to go through one of the masters teams and immortals in my opinion is the weakest team in the 8 teams that made masters
I do agree XSET is weaker when IMT are complete, but pretty sure IMT are weaker rn since they're missing Nature.
I really dont wanna be toxic because you just said your opinion, which is completely fine, but can you please please tell me: Why should IMT be the weakest of them? Like srsly. Just looking at recent results, they beat most teams that qualified for Masters and just got 1 "unlucky" lose in the beginning of Masters...
They were 7-8 at the first masters, and since NRG, XSET, Version 1, and Cloud 9 all look good, and LG look bad, it’s easy to see why.
If you take a look at IMTs History, I dont see any indicator, why they should be preferably beaten by the other teams (except Masters (as I said, even the best can have a "bad day"))
Their history is more losses than wins, if they can’t beat teams like 100T, SEN, LG, GENG, then they’re not good enough! Also, they have a sub and lost their main IGL
Just seen from January until now, they won much more matches, than they lost...
I do understand your point with Nature, that their chances decreased due to his absence, but they didnt lose him, he just has personal issues and is not playing atm.
I’m still just arguing your first point, IMT are definitely one of the weakest teams out of the top 8 teams in NA
Obviously, SEN and LG got upset, but IMT were the weakest team coming out of masters. XSET, Envy, 100T, GENG are all looking pretty strong right now, and arguably, V1, NRG, and C9B all could’ve made masters against different teams.
TSM win 2-0 especially IMt Nature ( who usually IGLs) Brax looks like he is really changing the team. Anyways thank me later.... IMT stands no chance with Nature out... 13-8 TSM on Haven and 13-11 TSM on bind ( I wish I could delete this post)
I think TSM will win. Normally, I wouldn't say so, but NaturE isn't playing, so oof. However if they lose, with IMT not in full form will just be sad.
Without NaturE and with TSM having Brax, I think TSM win this 2-1 but it still should be close since Rossy is a beast.
So, the schedule said 8:30 April 4th yesterday, and now it says April 3rd (tonight). Can we get a confirmation?
Yeah that’s the safe bet. The bracket had me fucked up because TSM vs IMT was down with the April 4th games lol. Could just be my phone. The website kept changing the time zones, too.
Might be so that there's one really tight/entertaining match-up for each time period. ABX vs. Noble and NV vs. Ghost Gaming are two kinda boring matches relative to the other ones going on.
TSM can either play like high tier 1 or just tier 2 so it's all up to how they are playing tbh
I think this is going to be a TSM 2-0 but it will be close. No Nature for IMT so thats huge.
Where is Nature and who is Rossy? I feel out of place here because there hasn't been any official news about it.
TSM plays like the Org is owned by their fathers lmao! This roster needs to be dropped asap! Wardell doing more gym and tarkov than VAL and i cant find a reason why TSM should keep a trash roster like this! This TSM players doesn't deserve an Org like TSM and there are People out there who deserve an Org like TSM...
TSM has done the before and gone on to destroy immortals in the next two maps... u forget what tourney it was in
That was not the same TSM that did that :((. They should just go back to triple duelist, and hope for the best? They haven't done that since first strike.
This TSM players have 0 synergy and they don't respect the Great Org they play for! Stop looking for solutions for this no-brainers they do not get better, just worse...
comming from a tsm fan. tsm rn are super bad just bad bad BAD.....
but they are still not out lets keep that in mind
They need a better igl . This current igl can not find an answer to the other's team strat.
It's hard to find an IGL as good as poach or Nitro... they have to get someone from the EU pro CS scene
Fr they need a new team... they should drop and pick up ex-dig... just keep wardell
LMAO they should just drop wardell so he will have more time playing tarkov if they lose and drop subroza and cutler while theyre at it
the way he is playing more tarkov? and when he doesn't stream that he works out???? yikes
Wardell doesn't give a fuck about Valorant anymore, it's an annoying look for sure.
he was my favorite streamer, but i'm not gonna watch his dumbass workout or stream Tarkov. his aim was shit today. he refused to use dash to escape his missed shots. one time he got tagged by a drone and tried to bunny hop across an open site to safety instead of dashing.
Exactly I wanna see him play valorant that's why I follow him. He rarely has any YouTube content anymore either since he doesn't play the game.
Kind of like a star QB who quits on his team when they underperform.
well u cant blame him. practicing for hours everyday plus streaming the same game for another few hours after that? even id get bored of that.
Jesus Fucking Christ what an embarrassment. We have to drop both Cutler and Hazed, replace them with an actual IGL who plays smokes. Then we have to cut Subroza and get another duelist, I've had it with him and his inconsistency.
drone was a good duelist. the most consistent on the team with second being wardell. these two are the best on the team imo. and idk why they switched him to sova and put roza on duelist. i think he was fine on omen but throughout this challengers roza on duelist isnt working plus hes so inconsistent. cutler and hazed are decent but not enough if tsm wants to be top na again.
i saw someone in chat say something along the lines of tsm impersonating sentinels lmfao, coming from a sen fan i found this hilarious
TSM sucks ass, SUBROZA is GOD Tier player, but he has a GOD Tier consistency problem. Weird.
Maybe a better IGL would fix the problem, but I doubt it. I'd be fine if they cut him now or if he got another chance. If they make changes fast enough, TSM could sneak in by qualifying in Challengers 3.
I mean, they also have to AT LEAST go against SEN, NRG, LG, and T1 in those quals so gl to them
this current roster isn't going anywhere against those teams. we can't even beat 100T or LG. TSM needs to experiment with new players, even if it takes them a while to find players that improve the team.
Just to think that one or some of these teams were left out of the big event is a shame.
T1 has a lot of potential :/ FeelsBad
They still can't win a pistol round. It's laughable at this point. You have to be right about coaching and IGL. Also, they're so dependent on momentum. After 5-1 starts, it felt like they didn't have a chance. They even started 5-0 against LG, but once they started losing rounds they "gave up," seemingly.
roza on duelist isnt working. they shouldve just let drone remain as the duelist and roza as omen/lurker.
see, drone wasn't working as duelist, either. he needs to stay on sova (INCREDIBLE sova fwiw), and the team needs to find another duelist. subroza wasn't working on omen, either. he still had consistency problems. his drop is probably coming.
well if drone and subroza wont be on duelist then who will? drone was okay on duelist. hes the most consistent on the team with second being wardell. rozas the most inconsistent. at least on omen they did pretty well in challengers 2 with his lurks.
alot of teams started playing astra and it definitely suits cutler/hazed better. roza cant sova and drone have played sova multiple times so this comp is fine.
yea but roza on duelist just isnt working. his best role is as a lurker/omen. i agree cutler on astra is fine but roza on omen was so much better. as for drone i personally think he was better as a duelist compared to roza at least.
I love Drone, I think he is the most consistent player on the team regardless of agent. His phoenix was top-3 at one point. It dropped off against better teams recently, though. Could be an IGL problem though.
-cutler srsly just add hazed back
idk why people think cutler is better than hazed when he has rly good stats on sentinels and smokes.
cutler has lowest adr out of all tier 1-3 teams he is legit a bot. and his adr is close to 100 because of all the tier 5 teams he versed. He has like 60-70adr when versing top teams. like 60-70adr when character has 150hp and heal abilities is like having 25adr in csgo.....
agreed. dont understand how hazed is the problem. unless cutler is somehow the best ever cypher util player ever in the history of valorant, there is no excuse for his poor performances
I've been saying that for a long time now. Cutler needs to be dropped, hazed on sentinels and IGL, he was a CSGO coach ffs, he can IGL well enough, subroza to smokes and brax as phoenix.
oath thats what i mean...idk why they didnt just use hazed starting from qualifiers lol
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