this is straight cope and a dogshit false narrative. optic form isnt way worse than last masters. their mistakes got exposed by better competition and higher level of play this masters.
maybe they play a little worse, but not nearly enough to justify "bad form" arguments. the team that actually played wayyy worse is fnatic who barely played 15% to their standard level and if they played their normal level would smoke every team other than prx and fpx who could both take maps
moatz [#6]Nah. It's just that optic was like 3 tiers ahead of everyone else so everybody focused on studying their strats
is what a delusional NA fan would say
luckypleb [#9]is what a delusional NA fan would say
i'm not a na fan. i'm from uzbekistan and my favorite team is m3c.
valulrantefanboy [#7]nah, don't let hatred blinded you. THis Optic is 5/10 compared with Iceland Optic
not even close
moatz [#11]i'm not a na fan. i'm from uzbekistan and my favorite team is m3c.
most respectable EMEA fan
Faraday [#10]I mean I still think fnatic and optic are top 3 with prx but both were in bad form this tourney. imagine saying fnatic would smoke optic when optic atleast took a map off prx and didn't go ot on 3 maps against leviatan
can you read? of course fnatic this tournament would lose to optic, they were underperforming. i said if fnatic play like to their standard level then they are way better.
no_noise_979 [#14]can you read? of course fnatic this tournament would lose to optic, they were underperforming. i said if fnatic play like to their standard level then they are way better.
Oh I see, yeah misread, your take is even more retarded
valulrantefanboy [#13]most respectable EMEA fan
yea. at least i admit that my region is tier 3 and will nvr accomplish anything in val
Faraday [#15]Oh I see, yeah misread, your take is even more retarded
you never watched a fnatic game during challengers 2
Stop having double standards. If Optic did not have poor form, then Fnatic also did not have poor form. This is their normal form, we have seen countless times now that they add a new player, honeymoon for a couple of months, and then return to their normal level. The way they played in qualifiers was insane form, if they replicate in at Champions, I'll eat my words, but every time they make a roster change the same thing happens.
In my opinion, Optic played slightly worse than at Masters 1. Individually, Victor played worse and Optic threw many rounds through poor trades / 5v4s that I don't see M1 Optic losing. I don't think they changed their game plans that much, and Neon is kind of a one-trick agent that teams that are very experienced with can easily shut down; this is why Optic's Fracture looked worse and worse. People are just more used to playing against Neon now since so many teams run the Neon comps, and Optic just didn't adapt. I think M1 Optic without changing their gameplans would still lose to PRX and FPX right now, they just improved faster. Hopefully they can rebound for champs.
EU_quiet [#18]GodOptic 3-0s everyone
we saw that against fpx and guild and basically every emea team ever
item [#19]Stop having double standards. If Optic did not have poor form, then Fnatic also did not have poor form. This is their normal form, we have seen countless times now that they add a new player, honeymoon for a couple of months, and then return to their normal level. The way they played in qualifiers was insane form, if they replicate in at Champions, I'll eat my words, but every time they make a roster change the same thing happens.
In my opinion, Optic played slightly worse than at Masters 1. Individually, Victor played worse and Optic threw many rounds through poor trades / 5v4s that I don't see M1 Optic losing. I don't think they changed their game plans that much, and Neon is kind of a one-trick agent that teams that are very experienced with can easily shut down; this is why Optic's Fracture looked worse and worse. People are just more used to playing against Neon now since so many teams run the Neon comps, and Optic just didn't adapt. I think M1 Optic without changing their gameplans would still lose to PRX and FPX right now, they just improved faster. Hopefully they can rebound for champs.
ok so we agree on similar thing just worded differently.
fnatic depend on honeymoon, but also their qualifiers form was insane. doesnt really matter though as fnatic didnt perform at masters.
optic slightly worse but not enough to say it would make a huge impact either.
they just did not adapt. obviously as the game moves forward teams that don't change get left behind and optic did not change much from first masters so obviously they were figured out rather quickly as their neon comp just does not work anymore. If they come back at champs with new comps and strats they have the ceiling to win it champs in my mind
senna11 [#20]anyone who isn't biased knows that Optic are a champions level team and they performed at their best.
It's just that FPX and PRX are better, so praise them instead of bashing Optic <3
this
moatz [#16]yea. at least i admit that my region is tier 3 and will nvr accomplish anything in val
didnt you support xset 💀
Abydaby [#26]didnt you support xset 💀
i nvr supported xset as a team. just the best initiator itw, bcj.
senna11 [#20]anyone who isn't biased knows that Optic are a champions level team and they performed at their best.
It's just that FPX and PRX are better, so praise them instead of bashing Optic <3
true optic still a top team
mrGoudas [#21]we saw that against fpx and guild and basically every emea team ever
Chamber meta boosts slow teams like guild and FPX so much lol
EU_quiet [#29]Chamber meta boosts slow teams like guild and FPX so much lol
yep the chamber meta is what made fpx DEMOLISH prx on first map
mrGoudas [#30]yep the chamber meta is what made fpx DEMOLISH prx on first map
And then they get destroyed on their map
EU_quiet [#32]And then they get destroyed on their map
what does that have to do with what u said about the chamber meta? lmao
mrGoudas [#34]what does that have to do with what u said about the chamber meta? lmao
Exactly what does the first map have to do with the chamber meta?
Elcatsu [#31]3rd place poor form
Yeah I've been trying to figure this out for pretty much most of the teams that made the playoffs... Everyone shits on teams for losing after making top like 4 or 5 in the world like they didn't have to win a bunch to get there in the first place
EU_quiet [#35]Exactly what does the first map have to do with the chamber meta?
the fact that u said guild and fpx are getting boosted by the chamber meta yet FPX demolished the "best" team on this tour without playing chamber
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