because both have suffered from extraordinarily long gaps in between tournaments meaning they fall behind and therefore they both lost their essence

Yeah, but anyway, the game has changed since then and Chet is right that of course they would give them a run for their money. He said they were the best EU but isn't really right, being proven by our current game and this once again backs up my point that after tournaments like masters entire metas are changed and M3C clearly haven't kept up with that.

you said the "best teams" and m3c didn't even qualify so I assumed you were referring to FPX

That's not what ravicool said though lmao, he's suggesting you only value champions because Acend won it. What makes champions qualifiable for the best in the world and masters not?

I don't think he did but OPTIC did indeed say EU is the best region, which I agree with. That still doesn't mean that OPTIC can't call themselves the best team.

None of the teams you mention have played at an international level, so how can you call them the "the best teams", unless you're talking about EMEA challengers?

That's what I meant by had been on form, I was using it to describe both FNC and FPX. Yes I did follow the tournament, LMAO. I'm not on hard copium, I literally wanted fnatic to win LOL. Look at my flag, do I look like an NA fan to you? The only difference is I think that you're so biased to your region by essentially suggesting this masters doesn't count in terms of ranking, which it absolutely does.

Again, I don't doubt that FPX and FNC would have won the tournament, as I already stated had it worked out in their favour, but they didn't and didn't play many games, meaning they've now fallen behind on the world stage.

Your argument is pure speculation really, FPX haven't even played at an inter-regional level yet.

well it depends, but my point is I don't think you can blame the coach for that?

there's far more layers to valorant but I don't think CS is a game of "repetition" in the slightest, and is especially a game of adaptation. I would actually argue that Valorant is really a game of planning, rather than adaptation.

yes you are lol, that's literally the entire point of masters. it doesn't mean they're going to be best in the world permanently, but they are right now. there's no other way you could prove this, so are you saying no one is the best? what? champions isn't on right now? how is that fair? there's very little difference between masters and champions, it's just champions is at the end of the year with bigger prize pools (and slightly more players perhaps?).

I agree that FPX and fnatic are both really good teams and I too believe that they would've rolled the competition had they been on form, but they didn't, and now FNC roster has changed (plus baddyg no longer on FPX) and the game has progressed, so there's no way you can even claim this.

no but instances of where they were sliggy's fault? as mentioned those were the player's choice

yet you're unable to cite any examples of how it caused losses when it was Sliggy's fault, as I am?

are you going to reply to my argument?

You can't not have an argument, then call me stupid for responding to what your argument might be lmao.

"tactical part and group dynamics" ???. It worked perfectly on Liquid as it was the players who were actually always innovating, and if you watched the interviews with him, especially after that one on bind you would know this. Many of the meta comps you see today are typically from Liquid - they created the icebox double smoke comp which everyone laughed at, then won, and M3C used it.

Every team has a play style lol, he wasn't different. "Literally anyone can do that" ???, evidently you can't as you seem to understand little.

There's a small amount of agents in this game that really allow you to use most of your fire power, and many of them aren't in the meta right now for a reason, it makes no sense. "Comfort peaks", what? You mean picks? Those were the players comfort picks. Jampii isn't a duelist player and has never wanted to be and Nivera is a sentinel player, if that's what you're referring to.

and you don't play jett on split and chamber is extremely out of the meta on it... split was one of liquid's best maps. what people play shouldn't be entirely dictated by whether they are an "op"er or not, this isn't csgo. yes it has an impact, but it shouldn't override what is definitely the meta on maps right now, which is not jett or chamber on split.

Hmm, I don't know why, maybe because he was really the only major source of tactics in Liquid and without him they simply wouldn't work?

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but he's a good initiator player? I know you said initiator but Sick's role was also Raze on bind, but since they've made this change their bind defense has arguably been weakened, as he's been moved to smokes.

it's not that he doesn't bring any value to the team lol, it's that his role made no sense as a pick up. he's a decent player, but it makes no sense why they didn't go after a proficient controller player who's familiar with the meta in the same league as kanpeki such as pho etc

yeah totally trying to gain relevancy by literally answering questions he's asked. 100%

what did he say lol? He doesn't reply with a "hi ego", he literally just tells people they don't know what they're talking about because for the most part it's true... every criticism he gets is "replace tenz with sinatraa instant w!!!!!11!!!!". he never said there was nothing wrong. how's he "ruining your fav team", he literally built it?

make a map with some sites that actually have a cool design and alternative dynamic

no, what you're writing is what a 14 year old alt right fanboy would write. "nerdish" LMAO

bind is defense sided because of chamber and raze, literally the two agents they didn't play lol. only way to defend well with this comp is to have tenz going crazy w/ OP

you said the reason why they dominated was because they were good aimers, which simply isn't true. you're right they haven't improved but that isn't what they said lol, they aren't "aimers" at all, I think quite the opposite.

Except you won't talk about the fact they literally created the pro-play meta on haven for so long. People knew how to aim in valorant back then lol, clearly you don't remember watching any other game except for them. They won a few clutches that you remember because they were big clips....
This makes no sense, in your eyes either they forgot how to aim or everyone else figured out... like what?

I hate this narrative... no they aren't lol

you're thick and bulky

Knights shouldn't be B, more like C I think, I don't really think I agree with xset either...

if valo had harder recoil patterns, less precise it would take away from what it's supposed to be....

They weren't lucky but yeah it's like literally a country, not even a region lmao

against t3 but 13-1 is nothing to complain about. they had some cool smokes on ascent that I'm surprised they showed but hopefully this means SEN return???? :0

Sentinels. Not about who is better now (def M3C) but Sentinels were just so far ahead at the time. Not only did they win the tournament, no maps dropped but they carried this after tournament to qualify for berlin once again in dominant fashion. At Berlin, the commentators were constantly bigging up SEN. At champions it was the case for M3C, but not to the degree as this. Sentinels was basically the NIP of Valorant, I doubt a run like this will happen again. (GMB faced pretty good opposition in EU I would argue)

sciences po w

FNS and chronicle don't play the same roles though?

"Hazed > FNS" :skull:

Best entry player def tenz. In terms of opping I think both of them actually whiff a similar amount, but if they're feeling it I would argue tenz's op playstyle is far better. Tenz is also better rifler I think but is just not very consistent so yeah.

IGL... yeah FNS wins in terms of the role its supposed to have but shahz is a better player overall (though you could argue its not necessarily a good thing)

Best smokes fs marved at the moment though this def was not the case always. Have never even seen sick play them properly as an actual defined role (other than being flex) so marved has to win it.

I don't think sova is game breaking though? I don't know anyone who complains about him the way people did about jett knives etc. It's good to have a character like this to set a meta and to give direction to matches. Doesn't seem broken, but yes busted is true.

"if it ain't broke don't fix it"

mvp: most valuable player

would optic be optic without FNS? no. I would argue with any other player they could still be optic.

no they were very good ecos from optic. if they rotated how could he take a fight? seems like you aren't giving the full picture lmao. aspas didn't go nuclear one round, i literally said four rounds in a row. clearly you don't remember the first 4 rounds of attack for optic.

just because you have hukah control doesn't mean anything lmao, if the defenders were limited with their challenge for it which optic likely were for them to have it, then they have the same utility available to counter any execute they may try to do.

I don't think they are? Props to OPTIC, they thoroughly improved on ascent and have made far fewer mistakes this time (icebox and breeze yet to come though...). The best aimers of brazil are winning fights, have you not been watching aspas in showers? The guy just sat there taking aimfights and destroyed optics A default for like 4 rounds in a row lol.

LOUD did really well on the attack on Bind considering its optic's best map, definitely a lot of work done there

who downvoted this lmao

I think so... bind is literally optic's best map and it's barely been played so there's little data to work with compared to other maps for LOUD. I think optic can take icebox also as last time they lost due to some crucial mistakes and well its a rematch so yeah

it's a rematch from OPTIC vs LOUD though in a very short space of time, optic played terribly on icebox and will have no doubt learnt from their mistakes. I don't think LOUD will win.

no, optic really played terrible on icebox. they indeed had some good preparation but in terms of mistakes... ugh.

remember how FNS pushed down B long for an agressive info play, kills one then DOESN'T GET OUT? yeah....

And you know this how? Because Zander gets more kills in different games with different teammates playing different agents on an entirely different team with a different playstyle and strategy?

So NIP don't exist?

APAC Haven isn't really up to speed yet. They're still playing Astra, Cypher and Skye for comps for starters. (Not saying that APAC is behind on other maps etc)

I was supporting OPTIC but they certainly did not deserve to win this one... GG

Loud have been so good at Ascent for all of this tournament its crazy

You don't remember the FURIA drama? Even famous Brazil people (FalleN, Gustav Melao or something?) were being pretty irritating... You can say a region isn't good at the game and thats ok (even if its not true) but at this point its gotten hella racist and its getting really annoying.