G2 I think slightly ahead of 100T but otherwise it’s good

Na 100T is not tier 2 and I say this as SEN fan, you gotta show more respect. C9 on another hand is a different story…

Saying you are more confident with a 100T 2-0 than vice versa is madness but I agree with all your other points. SEN don’t usually blow teams out and it will be a close match, people are underrating the strength of Americas teams. I genuinely think multiple APAC and Americas teams that didn’t make Shanghai clear most if not all EMEA teams for example.

Calm down I don’t think he meant it in a bad way, glad SEN won but ggs to all the other good teams at the tournament

This is what happens when a clown CEO decides he knows how to reshape a team, with a bunch of XSET dudes who never achieved anything

I know Tanzanians of Indian descent, they definitely consider themselves Indian.

Remember when folks on here said SEN are finished after Furia took a map off them? Maybe its just that BR are really good now.

Gambit isn't really EU anyways, they are CIS. It's mainly the EU fans that we will go after and for good reason. Much respect for GMB and their players.

Umm what just happened?

It was more than stomped, VKS were annihilated. BR fans had to resort to threatening to knife dapr IRL on Twitter lol

Great to see the Turks win

It was not winnable as they didn't have Hiko's recon bolt. No way with minimal util they could have taken site.

People like Plat Chat counting SEN out for no reason other than "a hunch". Smh

I would put Gen. G and Faze above C9 as the latter seems to have massively fallen off over the last month, especially from a mid rounding perspective. Faze have clearly worked some stuff out so will be interesting to see how they play next weekend.

Wardell is top 10 but 2 is too high atm. This isn't 2020.

This is honestly the most accurate list. TenZ, Shahz, and SicK are all top 5 and Asuna is second best after TenZ. Made by someone who actually watches the games.

Top 25 is way too broad, that's an insane take. I only consider the top 8 teams tier 1 and 9-12 tier 1.5. Everyone else is a clear step below.

He's the best, Nitro is the better fragger but is not a great controller, Vanity is a slightly worse controller and less clutch but may have more overall mechanical skill.

There's not a better controller in NA, Vanity is the only one who comes close imo. He's also one of the most clutch players around at the moment and has done it at the highest levels. Are there better players in terms of pure skill, probably, but not many who have a better understanding of the game.

Ya but most of DZ's games have been against tier 2 and 3 while zombs is a proven quality at a global LAN, you can't compare the two.

Who else wants to see cNed vs. TenZ? Two best players in the world for me.

They at least got more rounds against SEN over two maps than last time IIRC

You're a clown 🤡

I would say SEN's attack on Haven is well studied by now, they have to spend the next few weeks retooling their T sided strats.

You can call him food or Victor but NV has always had the exact same issues.

Haven is usually T sided what are you smoking? Lol

These stupid EU takes don't matter anymore after Reykjavik, no one cares

It's because SEN broke them on Bind and showed others the formula.

C9 fans deserved it with all the incessant down voting they do. In all seriousness though I'm disappointed because C9 have so much firepower.

Stupid SQ fans, didn't learn your lesson from last time. You now know your place.

On a serious note, it's funny how months have passed yet SQs map pool hasn't changed at all. Tier 1 on Icebox, tier scrub on everything else.

You're a clown, no one asked for the trash to post here.

Didn't you people learn your lesson last time.

Zekken is the next Asuna

There were people here claiming that G2 would steamroll Berlin.

You're smoking something if you think this. Derke is better than nukkye and honestly I would rate players like Wardell more than him after seeing him go up twice against SEN. Asuna is the #1 ranked NA player and he's often been a problem for SEN and other NA teams to handle, not to mention how good Ethan is also.

EU fans have seriously underestimated NA this entire time and continue to do so. I personally believe that the margin between EU and NA is quite small. You have a team above every team in either region in SEN, and then a blob of teams from both regions that land in the same tier (in a top 9 I would put 5 NA teams [SEN, C9, 100T, V1, NV] and 4 EMEA teams [FNC, FPX, Gambit, G2 with rumored new roster or Acend with current roster] in no particular order apart from SEN #1). I think any of the EMEA teams can beat the NA teams on a given day and vice-versa. So we can't say one region is far and above the other and can't say the new G2 will dominate anything at this time.

I can't say teams like XSET or Gen.G can match up with the top EU teams but definitely 100T, NV, C9, V1, and Faze can. All of those teams maybe with the exception of V1 have more firepower than any EU team (V1 have better adaptations and IGL atm though).

I mean, SEN have made far more history than 100T at this point, don't think they are rivals in that sense.

Those points don't mean anything right now, very subjective.

After this I'm not sure I buy the EU depth argument anymore. I would argue teams like C9 may be even better mechanically than SEN and outside of SEN, the best trio on a team is Asuna, Ethan, Nitro on 100T.

Good to see FNC keep all of the maps close but SEN went 5-0 despite all of the strats and utility FNC threw at them.

To be fair I thought they definitely would take Bind being 9-4 up and defending second half, was a collapse of sorts, need to work on their mental.

SEN best map? You know they recently lost this map 13-1 to C9 right?

Most creative team I've come across, am really impressed.

Na it's just that NU have a good Ascent, FNC is gonna ram them on Haven.

Nuturn are so bad mechanically, they had the best aim of their lives against V1. Lakia is the only half decent player and he's erratic too.

Hah that's just like the cold war

NU still in it, will get a shot against 1 of the 2 EU teams.

Haha I can't believe this guy said ScreaM was respectful to everyone. This clown at the pre-tournament press conference said 1) he didn't know who was in his side of the bracket, 2) didn't matter anyways as they would destroy everyone, and 3) SEN are so predictable. He had to get some humility after the V1 loss to save face.

I'm speechless, what a masterpiece by SEN.

I think fnatic are definitely a team that will have tactics to counter SEN next time. The issue is that SEN are as good, if not better, at anti-stratting and they definitely will clean up mistakes. The thing that stood out to me is that Fnatic were always one or two steps behind and had to use a lot of energy to come back in maps.

V1 was masterful on all 3 maps really, but especially on the 3rd.