top 30-40 player of all time already

WTFFFFFFFFF

no debate. GOAT should not be discussed anymore for a while

and Chronicle still has many years to come

the GOAT is gonna beat TenZ's dino era record LMAO

1. EMEA KICKOFF 2024 - 2nd
2. KICKOFF MASTERS BANGKOK 2024 - 7th-8th
3. EMEA STAGE 1 2024 - 2nd
4. MASTERS SHANGHAI 2024 - 2nd
5. EMEA STAGE 2 2024 - 3rd
6. CHAMPIONS SEOUL 2024 - 2nd
7. EMEA KICKOFF 2025 - 3rd
8. EMEA STAGE 1 2025 - 2nd
9. ESPORTS WORLD CUP RIYADH 2025 - 2nd

kickoff masters:

• has less than half the prize pool of EWC
• has a way shorter qualifier than EWC (small playoff kickoff for each region)
• has less teams and less matches

EWC

• had the whole of VCT Stage 1 (1st/2nd) + the EWC qualifiers (which gave advantages to 3rd/4th in VCT Stage 1) to qualify teams to their event
• way bigger prizepool
• more teams
• fair playoffs with no map advantages even for higher seeded teams in the group stage of EWC
• and for the bo1s in groups, they dont matter since groups had a double-elim bracket with bo3s

these people dont understand that

they think the viewer experience decides if an event is mickey or not rather than prize pool/how teams qualified to the event/what teams are at the event

the only valid ranking:
S+: Champs
S: Masters, Esports World Cup (2025-2027)
A: LOCK//IN, Kickoff Masters (Madrid, Bangkok)
D: SOOP, Redbull, Invitationals, etc

not all teams tried their hardest to qualify

what actual evidence for this do you have?

teams would be trying harder for EWC than Masters in Stage 1 since EWC has a bigger prize pool. That is how orgs work. Wdym????

this is the same meta as another tournament

exactly why the 2-3 weeks break time between masters and this event is completely fine. These teams are being paid to play the game and shouldnt be tired from a masters event 2-3 weeks later (which is using the same meta btw)

ikr

no lmao

i have champs in S. also that list is the most logical list. argue against it instead of going after my flair (GOAT team of Valorant btw) LMFAO

• has a champions final (GMB vs ACEND)
• 6/15 International finals
• 4 Trophies soon (after winning EWC)
• gonna win Champs Paris
• still very young and has many years to come

ye ikr
TS beating TL was a fluke and TL >>>>>>> TS

S+: Champs
S: Masters, Esports World Cup
S-: LOCK//IN, Kickoff Masters (Madrid, Bangkok)
D: SOOP, Redbull, etc

there is no more GOAt conversatiion anymore

les stop talking about GOAT conversation until some player can start touching Chron's feet

this complaining happened during Tokyo 23, Shanghai 24, and Seoul 24. Wdym???

were u just not there???

no

TH should become 2nd. 2nd should be renamed "Team Heretics nd"

500k > 350k

EWC > Toronto, but EWC = Masters in general

toronto had more issues than EWC

Riyadh, Toronto, Bangkok, Seoul, Shanghai (last 5)

yes. but we still dont know.

no internationals, no win (no navi for now)

hijack:
2025 TOP TEAMS (trophies are valued the most, the rest is placements. Event value is Toronto = Riyadh > Bangkok):

1. Paper Rex (N/A, 1st, 3rd/4th) - PAC
2. T1 (1st, N/A, N/A) - PAC
3. Fnatic (N/A, 2nd, 1st/2nd) - EMEA
4. G2 (2nd, 4th, 13th-16th) - AMER
5. Gen.G (N/A, 5th-6th, 3rd/4th) - PAC
6. Team Heretics (N/A, 11th-12th, 1st/2nd) - EMEA
7. Sentinels (7th-8th, 5th-6th, 5th-8th) - AMER
8. Team Liquid (5th-6th, 9th-10th, N/A) - EMEA
9. Wolves Esports (N/A, 3rd, N/A) - CN
10. EDward Gaming (3rd, N/A, 9th-12th) - CN

FNATIC can move to #1. TH can end up between #2-#6

11-22:

liquid??? unknown so ucant rank em

tarik?
Fns?
mixwell?
kamet0?

not big enough for u????

s0m

as long as there is not a full wipeout of the roster, imma just count them together
an all time team ranking is too hard otherwise if i have to consider the different roster variations of each org

yeah they bumped up 4 spots after Toronto (having a decent trophy (Masters/Champs) matters in this and so getting that trophy significantly bumps them up with the good results they had before)

PRX are tied with FNATIC for most top 4s (6).
PRX are tied with FNATIC for most international appearances (11/14).
PRX are tied with ENVY/OPTC/NRG and LOUD for the 2nd most top 2s (3), FNATIC has 4 top 2s.

with EWC, Paper Rex's lead on NV/OPTC/NRG and LOUD gets stronger

tom and mitch 💀. worst analysis and definitely the most cringe

Sideshow/Bren and Pansy/Hypoc tied for #1

boaster.

you forgot the goat of the weapon - operator: cNed
and you forgot the goat of the weapon: phantom: nAts

ALL TIME SUCCESS (2020-2025)

do not reply and let this disappear pls.

hijack:
2021: GMB, ACE, SEN
2022: OPTC, LOUD, FPX(EMEA)
2023: FNC, EG, PRX
2024: GEN.G, EDG, SEN
2025: PRX, T1, FNC
overall: FNC, PRX, ENVY/OPTC/NRG, LOUD, SEN

people genuinely are just forgetting Acend was good throughout 2021, won masters 1 EU, and champs > masters of SEN. Literally everyone ranked Acend > Sen in the good old days. Suddenly, now that we are all fed the Americas and anti-EMEA propaganda, SEN > ACEND?????

also EDG > SEN in 2024. Champs > Masters and EDG were at least attending Shanghai (SEN didnt even go). its a fact:
EDG: 5th-6th, 7th-8th, 1st (Champs)
SEN: 1st (Masters), grouped in Americas/Not Applicable, 4th

GMB, ACE, SEN
please stop forgetting Acend was good throughout 2021 and not only Champs 2021

PLEASE STOP FALLING FOR AMER/PAC PROPAGANDA

Acend's champions win was not a fluke. They contributed to the game with their absurd Bind and Split comps. Please stop forgetting this.

also 2024: GEN.G, EDG, SEN
also 2025: PRX, T1, FNC (we will see how this changes tomorrow)

FINALS APPEARANCES:
EMEA: 1.8
AMER: 0.2
PAC: 0.0

PACIFIC 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

EMEA is NOT the best region of 2025 overall yet

but right now, they are

bc they did worse earlier btw (no 1st seed disadvantage)

3-0 for a reason. unlike

• GENG 3-2
• EDG 3-2
• PRX 3-1 (close maps)

but obviously you don’t care.

omg im gonna use this in the next copypasta. tysm

Miniboo????????????????????????????

👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻👻

bro i cant stop laughing help me bro

6th GF loss 🫵😂😂🫵😂🫵🤣🫵🤣2nd place merchants🫵😂🫵😂🫵😂🫵😂🫵😂🫵😂🫵😂🫵😂

based on results tomorrow

dont do it

nah Id put Gen.G above

just waiting for the final results of ewc

drx actually getting another 5th-6th in big 2025 (bangkok) is depressing

2025 TOP TEAMS (trophies are valued the most, the rest is placements. Event value is Toronto = Riyadh > Bangkok):

1. Paper Rex (N/A, 1st, 3rd/4th) - PAC
2. T1 (1st, N/A, N/A) - PAC
3. Fnatic (N/A, 2nd, 1st/2nd) - EMEA
4. G2 (2nd, 4th, 13th-16th) - AMER
5. Gen.G (N/A, 5th-6th, 3rd/4th) - PAC
6. Team Heretics (N/A, 11th-12th, 1st/2nd) - EMEA
7. Sentinels (7th-8th, 5th-6th, 5th-8th) - AMER
8. Team Liquid (5th-6th, 9th-10th, N/A) - EMEA
9. Wolves Esports (N/A, 3rd, N/A) - CN
10. EDward Gaming (3rd, N/A, 9th-12th) - CN

FNATIC can move to #1. TH can end up between #2-#6

11-22:

already know what happens when heretics get to grands

W. they cant even win so whas the point of watching bumeretics

gonna also watch the PRX GEN.G game

Bo1s are irrelvant though There is a bo3 double-elimination in the groups (where the bo1 is).

Furthermore, the EWC playoffs doesnt give an advantage to the higher seeding teams in EWC groups and rather does a coin toss to decide who gets to choose which team is team A and team B.

no. they played in the same qualifiers so they were the same region

dumass?
they reached 3/4 of the last finals that matter, amer only 1, cn only 1, pac also 3

you were supposed to write "no trophies that matter". fixed it for u

crazy fact (-1 days) lol

W

MaKo with a trophy or 2 becomes a top 3 player all time in Valorant btw

PACIFIC? CHAMPIONS?? 0 🤣🤣🤣