blud thinks GX is gonna do anything 😭😭😭
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| Registered: | April 3, 2022 |
| Last post: | August 8, 2025 at 10:33 PM |
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https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/2498/vct-2025-emea-stage-2?exclude=&min_rounds=0&agent=killjoy (worst one btw). also on the 2nd place team btw.
NAVI will be taking the 4th spot. just gotta hope FNC and TH make top 2
i really dont want BBL and KC at champs anymore. FNC TL NAVI TH/FUT will do
both of them look so fraudulent
surprised DRX and S0N lost to BBL (PAC and AMER are so ass)
its GEN.G. then based on if u make trophies matter or not, the following rankings work:
trophies matter top 10 of 2024:
trophies don't matter top 10 of 2024:
EMEA was better for the first 2 stages and would be better overall in 2022, but they are lower since FPX couldnt attend and FNC had 2 subs. due to that, instead of "AMER > EMEA", i put "AMER >= EMEA"
now that i think about it, i could put "AMER>=<EMEA" ???
think about it though
Imagine you are a team in VCT stage 1. You are trying to qualify for both Toronto and EWC (EWC auto-quals 1st and 2nd from VCT Stage 1 in each region and gives advantages in the EWC qualifier to the 3rd and 4th in VCT stage 1 for each region).
When you see that EWC has more prize pool, would you not be trying more for EWC????????
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irrelevant point. PAC is #1 in 2025. and this isnt a 2023-2025 ranking
2025 not FNC yet. PRX
ik. i didnt even reply becuz it is so funny
1st then actually since Champs slightly better than Masters and Kickoff Masters
overall region ranking (not just the top 2 teams of the region at the event)
why r u all forgetting t1 now???? too funny how biased PAC fans can be
we forgetting t1 11-12 now????
lev at 9-10 (lost to FUT 13-1)??
botnatic still won EMEA and almost beat GEN.G dont forget. 7th-8th for fnatic is very fair
EMEA is closer to AMERICAS in 2023 than most ppl think but not higher. trophy count doesnt matter
AMER 3 finals > EMEA 2 finals
AMER 1 Champs < EMEA 2 Masters/Kickoff Masters=LOCK//IN
AMER 5 Top 4s > EMEA 4 Top 4s
AMER > EMEA in H2h Series/Maps
etc
etc
no cuz of champs 2024 pacific performance
Madrid: PAC >= AMER > EMEA > CN - trophy: AMER
Shanghai: EMEA > AMER > PAC > CN - trophy: PAC
Champs 24: AMER > EMEA > CN > PAC - trophy: CN
overall 2024: AMER > EMEA > PAC > CN
more detail:
Madrid 2024 Best Average Placement: PAC/AMER Tie ✔️
PAC: 2nd, 3rd (2.5th)
AMER: 1st, 4th (2.5th)
EMEA: 5.5th, 7.5th (6.5th)
CN: 5.5th, 7.5th (6.5th)
Shanghai 2024 Best Average Placement: EMEA wins ✔️
EMEA: 2nd, 5.5th, 7.5th (5th)
AMER: 3rd, 4th, 9.5th (5.5th)
PAC: 1st, 5.5th, 11.5th (6th)
CN: 7.5th, 9.5th, 11.5th (9.5th)
Champs 2024 Best Average Placement: AMER wins ✔️
AMER: 3rd, 4th, 7.5th, 10.5th
EMEA: 2nd, 5.5th, 10.5th, 14.5th
CN: 1st, 7.5th, 14.5th, 14.5th
PAC: 5.5th, 10.5th, 10.5th, 14.5th
Finals Appearances: EMEA wins✔️
EMEA: 2 (Champs, Masters) ✔️
PAC: 2 (Masters, Masters)
AMER: 1
CN: 1
Top 4 Appearances: AMER wins ✔️
AMER: 6
PAC: 3
EMEA: 2
CN: 1
Top 8 Appearances: EMEA/AMER tie ✔️
EMEA: 7
AMER: 7
PAC: 5
CN: 5
2021: EMEA >>> AMER >>>>>> PAC
2022: AMER >= EMEA >>> PAC >>>>>>>>>>>> CN
2023: AMER > EMEA > PAC >>>> CN
2024: AMER > EMEA > PAC > CN
2025: PAC > EMEA > AMER > CN
they were. Ive already said this before.
Madrid: AMER = PAC > EMEA > CN - trophy: AMER
Shanghai: EMEA > AMER > PAC > CN - trophy: PAC
Champs 24: AMER > EMEA > CN > PAC - trophy: CN
overall 2024: AMER > EMEA > PAC > CN
who didnt know this???
2021: EMEA >>> AMER >>>>>> PAC
2022: AMER > EMEA >>> PAC >>>>>>>>>>>> CN
2023: AMER > EMEA > PAC >>>> CN
2024: AMER > EMEA > PAC > CN
2025: PAC > EMEA > AMER > CN (unless u dont consider TL having a sub in Toronto and/or the Esports World Cup) -> PAC > AMER > EMEA > CN
hijack:
winning when FPX was the best team is fraudulent:
they admitted it themselves (Vic & Chet): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBOI6WjHVKM&t=2295s
🔴🔴🔴reply below what you think is the best clutch of all time 🔴🔴🔴
most successful (international appearances & placements-wise) team of all time by the end of each year:
end of 2021 (2021-2021): GAMBIT
end of 2022 (2021-2022): ENVY21/OPTIC22
end of 2023 (2021-2023): LOUD or FNATIC
end of 2024 (2021-2024): FNATIC
end of 2025 (2021-2025): FNATIC (probably)
best team of each year:
2021: GAMBIT
2022: OPTIC
2023: FNATIC
2024: GEN.G
2025: PRX currently
ok i meant envy21/optic22/nrg23 (it was exact same or nearly the same roster for 3 years with the core of Crashies Vic FNS Chet always there)
envy21/optic22/nrg23 maybe nrg 23-25 is still a top 4 team all time wym?
btw envy/optic is the exact same team (roster). 2nd, 9th-12th, 1st, 3rd, 2nd, 5th-8th, 4th, 9th-12th is insane btw
ofc. what do you expect from their clueless/brainwashed bums?
2022 aspas wasnt even close to the best player of the year (probably like 6-10)
OPTIC Yay
DRX MaKo
LOUD Sacy
LOUD pAncada
FPX(EMEA) Shao
FNATIC Derke
the above cleared aspas in 2022 for sure and Suygetsu, Marved, Less is debatable.
demon1 was 3rd in 2023 (after Leo & Alfajer). however, both are equal or aspas > demon1 in results for their respective years
top 1 overrated team:
top 3 underrated teams:
just becuz ewc didnt exist back then doesnt invalidate it now. Lmao ur a hypocritical amer/apac fan for sure.
neon and yoru are just niche characters.
you think i watch china lmao???
i just randomly select each game
eu flash.................... (fnatic)
d00mbr0s leaving (navi)
#1 pickems on vlr gamble gamble gamble:
AMER: https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/4d31084f
EMEA: https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/64efbf37
PAC: https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/2c69f8e1
CN: https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/b0b7dcfe
hijack:
EMEA: https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/64efbf37
AMER: https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/4d31084f
PAC: https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/2c69f8e1
CN: https://www.vlr.gg/pickem/b0b7dcfe
EWC exists.
also FNATIC are at least winning maps when getting 2nd place. EG went 0-3 in tokyo
Valorant success/GOAT: Chronicle >>>> f0rsaken no discussion needed.
Flex debate:
here is what i think on who's better at which agents:
Chron: Sova, Breach, KAY/O, Viper, Brimstone, Cypher, Killjoy, Sage, Vyse
F0rsaken: Fade, Skye, Omen, Harbor, Chamber, Jett, Phoenix, Raze, Yoru, Neon
Neither: Gekko, Tejo, Deadlock, Iso, Waylay
negligible: Reyna
Chron clears though. F0rsaken only has 1 more agent since there are just a lot of duelists to play.
both of them are flexible enough where the discussion shouldnt be about who is more flexible. Chron just has way better stats internationally than f0rsaken (like WAYYYYYYYYY better stats).
its Chron. but deluded PAC fans who need to hold onto one of their few good players will tell u f0rsaken even though Chronicle clears him by miles on most agents in every category except duelists (where Chron does have experience tho btw)
f0rsaken plays a few more agents
but the ones Chronicle plays are at a way higher level. making Chronicle a better flex.
disgusting amer/apac propaganda being spread in ur region's community lmaooooo.
ur region's community must be depressed after 3-11 and 5-12 from Chronicle
Chron has been better in way more events. looks like i gotta bring this back up:::
Chronicle:
Trophies: 3, Finals: 5, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 8
International Appearances: 8/14
Best performances (general objective opinion of everyone):
Berlin 2021: 2nd MVP (VERY VERY closely after nAts)
Champs 2021: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)
Toronto 2025: 2nd MVP on runner-ups (3rd/4th MVP of the tournament overall)
Riyadh 2025: real MVP of the tournament statistically (but on runner-up team)
International Ratings:
1.26(#3), 1.19(#4), 1.10(#14 min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 1.19(#3), 0.94(#53), N/A(China), 1.21(#4), 1.13 (#8), 1.30 (#1)
6 Tournaments of being a minimum top 8 rated player.
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F0rsaken:
Trophies: 1, Finals: 3, Top 4s: 6, Top 6s: 7, Top 8s: 7
International Appearances: 11/14
Best performances:
Toronto 2025: MVP of Toronto 2025's winning team (realistic: 2nd MVP)
International Ratings:
0.93 (#45), 1.12 (#12), 0.98 (#35), 0.91 (#57), N/A (min. 125 rounds LOCK//IN), 0.96 (#39), 1.01 (#33), 1.01 (#16), N/A(China), 0.95 (#49), 1.12 (#10), 1.16 (#15)
1 tournament of being a top 10 player.
u havent seen his stats lmao
Chronicle's international stats clear f0rsaken by a lot
f0rsaken has average or below average stats (other than Toronto)
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