if WOL can beat a non-shit team (Heretics, Blg are free wins and RRQ had 1st seed curse (no experience in the new meta)), then yes they go above TL

https://www.vlr.gg/490313/team-liquid-vs-mibr-valorant-masters-2025-toronto-r2-0-1
MIBR is the 3rd best americas team btw 🤣

https://www.vlr.gg/449003/team-liquid-vs-sentinels-champions-tour-2025-masters-bangkok-r2-0-1
SEN was the 2nd best americas team btw (and still is the 2nd best)🤣

Wolves beat dogheretics and bilibili in groups (both are dogshit and way worse than actual TL with nAts - clearly evidenced if you watch TL vs PRX and TL dominantly beating MIBR)
Wolves then beat RRQ (RRQ has never been at an international other than LOCK//IN in 2023 where all teams attended). RRQ also had 1st seed curse + were only good in Tejo meta + no warmup or experience playing in new meta.

unless Wolves can beat GEN.G or G2 (their possible next matches), Wolves are worse than TL clearly.

I said EMEA is 2 if that scenario happens where G2 and SEN do not beat any non-CN team

also remember that TL is pretty good and if not for the sub situation leading to a unlucky draw against PRX instead of China in 3rd round of groups, TL would place higher

bro cmon. I knew nothing about them except that they beat GEN.G and PRX.

plus new meta changes/etc

he means FNC is less disappointing than G2

FNC is 4 (For the least disappointing)

if G2 (has beat XLG, will beat WOL, loses to FNC) and SEN (SEN loses to PRX and FNC) lose out without beating any non-chinese team, do you agree with:

1. PAC
2. EMEA
3. AMER
4. CN
   ?

remember that TL is pretty good but didnt have nAts in the first game which led to an unlucky draw in 3rd round of groups

yoooo
that copypasta is 100% real LMFAOOOO

it used to not be before franchising though

I remember his first game with FNATIC. He was insane

He is still a top 9-10 player of all time

just slightly fell off in 2025 though

I fully agree

However, if he did play for another year or 2, he would be the GOAT without a convo needed unlike now (with Derke Chron Aspas being in the convo)

WOL are not beating GEN.G even once if 100 matches were played between the 2

SEN got to hide their strats/save strats since they played easy teams

meanwhile FNATIC had to reveal a lot playing against the tournament winners (GEN.G)

no way ur saying that G2 wont beat Wolves lmfaooo

also Wolves havent even done anything good (beat washed up heretics, beat BLG (BLG was only not 11th-12th since TL did not have nAts in the first game), beat RRQ (1st seed curse)

MIBR lost to GEN.G and TL
SEN losing to PRX and FNC (SEN can only beat CN teams - WOL, BLG, XLG)
G2 lost to PRX and will lose to FNC (G2 can only beat CN teams - XLG, WOL)

CN 0 team region
AMER 0 team region
EMEA 1 team region
PAC 2 team region

speak the truth

Boaster drops more than 21 kills combined

same thing ppl thought last year

"no way fnatic loses to fut right? after looking so good against GEN.G"

shanghai: have a close banger game against GEN.G (best team at event). then get embarrassingly eliminated by some mid team (FUT -> RRQ)

or will FNC get top 4 at least

no momentum/experience in sudden new meta

yup^

real Toronto ranking (not placements)

1. GEN.G
2. PRX/FNC
3. PRX/FNC
4. G2
5. TL
6. SEN
7. WOL
8. RRQ
9. XLG
10. BLG
11. TH
12. MIBR

FNC 2-0

AMER will go out of this tournament without beating a non-CN team.

SEN will lose to PRX and FNC.
G2 will beat XLG (China), beat WOL (WOL loses to GEN.G and faces G2) (China), and then lose to FNATIC in lower semi-final

WOL still havent done anything notable.

• Beat TH (who are actually washed)
• Beat BLG (lucky draw for WOL due to BLG being in the 1-1 round due to getting a free win against TL w/o nAts)
• Beat RRQ (some mid PAC team who also got the 1st seed curse)

WOL arent gonna do anything and will now lose to GEN.G in the uppers and G2 in the lowers

bro relax. FNATIC is winning Toronto. We are already back. Now that FNATIC got their warm-up against GEN.G, and is about to get 2 free wins (RRQ and SEN), FNC will get to the finals and beat PRX (2nd place cursed)

all time stats

Series/Maps:

1. Head-to-Head Series Score:
   EMEA 45 : AMER 40
2. Head-to-Head Maps Score:
   EMEA 115 : AMER 99

Trophies:
EMEA 5 : AMER 5

NA admitting EU is better clip for lost EMEA trophy due to UKR-RUS war (Reykjavik 2022): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBOI6WjHVKM&t=2295s

Top 8 Appearances:
Playoffs Appearances (with total slots given to region): EMEA 29/51 56.9%: AMER 32/61 52.5%

good ranking
but here is what will actually happen

1: GEN.G
2: PRX (loses to GEN.G)
3: FNC (loses to PRX)
4: G2 (loses to FNC)
5/6: WOL and SEN (WOL loses to G2, SEN loses to FNC)
7/8: XLG and RRQ (XLG loses to G2, RRQ loses to FNC)

You are speaking the truth. W

it isnt official. MVPs were never actually officially announced until LOCK//IN

that liquipedia shit is not official bro. that shit has Marved as the MVP for Reykjavik 2022 (WHEN IT WAS CLEARLY YAY)

2nd best* player of 2021
after nAts

cuz Chronicle has been so good since 2021, very flexable in roles (Initiator in 2021, Chamber+Duelist in 2022, Flex+Sentinel 2023-2025)

just go watch some clips from 2021 Gambit and you'll see why

FNATIC will be the 2nd team to do a complete lower bracket run -> trophy win ever (8-team double-elim).

I mean then u can argue PAC > CN > AMER > EMEA

EMEA: 2 less weeks of prep, TL with a sub (TL actually looked good but then got PRX - who are looking like a top 2 team at the event), then FNATIC gets 4th pick and has to face the best team at the event

MIBR didnt win a game.
SEN:

• SEN has beat BLG, WOL, XLG.
• SEN will now lose to PRX and then lose to FNC (after FNC beats RRQ).

G2:

• G2 has lost to PRX.
• G2 will beat XLG and WOL (WOL will lose to GEN.G). Then, G2 will lose to FNC in the lower semi-final.

what?

realistic 2025 ranking including Bangkok and Toronto results so far:

1. PAC (T1 1st, DRX 5th-6th, PRX&GEN.G both getting top 6, RRQ prob 7th-8th)
2. AMER (G2 2nd & likely top 4, SEN 7th-8th and top 6, MIBR...)
3. EMEA (VIT 4th, TL 5th-6th & 9th-10th, FNC likely top 4, TH...)
4. CN (EDG 3rd, WOL prob 5th-6th, TE 7th-8th, XLG prob 7th-8th, BLG 9th-10th)

there isnt any big gap between emea and PAC, AMER
TL and FNC are actually pretty good, just in unlucky situations

• TL: no nAts in 1st round leading to bad draw in 3rd round. 2 less weeks of practice than other regions.
• FNC: 2 less weeks of practice than other regions, 4th pick in playoffs (unlucky draw).

😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈😈

GONNA EAT UP ANYONE WHO FALLS INTO THE LOWERS

⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡FNATIC ⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡⚡
👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👹G2👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👹👹

PRX vs TL
GEN.G vs FNC

we just gotta wait. very very very patiently

last time it was only cuz Leo was sick

13-10, 10-13, 11-13

all the sunset rounds were pretty close with most going in GEN.G's way (including the 2 ecos they got)

ur just lying

double pistol losses and gen.g clutches brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruh

bro wtf doing

crashies even though crashies is really good too (3rd or 4th GOAT initiator of all time for a reason)

looking as good as Derke in Bangkok

2025:
1st third: Derke
2nd third: T3xture

with these 15 seconds remainings hits

you forgot champs 2022
XSET vs OPTECH. OPTECH tech pause leads to OPTIC win. (XSET complains about it in the post-match interview after)

again Crashies was there

lol

Leo feels more like Arthur (gigachad and just really good at what he does)
Alfajer is like John Marston