are u dum??? it was t3xture in Shanghai

bro how r ppl suddenly changing their minds and downfragging the truth??? This is insanity

Americas: 0 team region

this is what happens

WWW

nah his reason was valid

his list is more on contributions rather than top performances/success based on mechanics (literally Alfajer, Zmjjkk, Demon1, etc)

are you sped or is the logic of EWC having more prize pool than masters not registering on your brain

bro im dying from laughter in real life lmaoo

im just going to assume you just dont have very good English (which is fine)

otherwise. you might be the dumbest person i've talked to on vlr

bro is crying

KC vs NAVI finals plzzzzzz (Ange1 vs Saadhak cinema)

grass is green?

what are you trying to say lmao??

goat region
gotta win champs paris now

well GEN.G and PRX can make it happen if they both beat TH (the only thing that changes is TH lost to more than 2 teams)

nah im not gonna switchup lol

I actually want GEN.G to win to continue Heretics Law

FNATIC are the GOAT team anyways. They dont need more trophies other than champs

biggidy bump

no i have actually watched his streams instead of judging after seeing what happened in 2 minutes

Sayf Ults.

Sayf might be coming to the team as a roster change (since TH was doing pretty bad recently).
It is a hint.

EMEA: TH
TH are a waste of slot because you know they will not win (0% chance). At least a bum like KOI would have 0.1% chance to win the tournament (better than 0%)

ye OP wont respond either cuz he knows he is wrong and just biased/blind

W

and EMEA had less prep time (fucked schedule). Toronto was mickey

• VCT Stage 1, the tournament that qualified teams to Toronto, is the same tournament that qualified teams to EWC/gave advantages for the 3rd/4th place VCT Stage 1 teams in the EWC qualifer. Teams were trying to qualify to EWC and Toronto when playing in VCT Stage 1 (EWC was a higher priority though since it has a higher prize pool).

all this scuffed schedule stuff is just some biased excuse. the right teams qualified to this event and knew about the event a year ago

also are we gonna forget scheduling messing up EMEA at Toronto? gonna forget the 1st seed teams at Toronto with a warm-up/momentum disadvantage in playoffs

Toronto had a more scuffed schedule.

idk since they only show 1 game there.

Another reason ppl should know: The games before today might be splitting viewership since there were always 2 games going on until today

1. sportswashing boycotts
2. The games might be splitting viewership since there were always 2 games going on until today

no what i mean is that the bangkok teams fell off (which means they fluked during the kickoff qualifiers - which are very short).
T1, VIT, DRX, EDG, TE all didnt even go to the next event.

in 2024:
SEN, KC, LOUD didnt go to the next event with LOUD and KC completely falling off

the two we have watched in 2024 and 2025 are not exceptions though

trust me he has watched Alfa and is one of the smartest analysts (maybe only under Sliggy). For this list though, he wasnt valuing mechanics but contribution to the way to play the game

"ALL LESSER REGIONS" kinda crazy thing to say LMAO.

mickey with higher prize pool than Bangkok and Toronto kkkkk

bro cant do math 0/8

wdym? EMEA is the best region right now. Overall 2025 is pacific thouhg

W guy that looks like he's my alt when he is genuinely not lmao (I dont have alts btw)

vitality isnt my main team lol. I just had them on since they matched the Saudi flair (VIT winning Cs2 EWC)

Because the kickoff qualifers are so short (allowing for flukes) and both times we have had the event, the winners (SEN and T1) fall off in the next stage alongside other teams at the event (KC/LOUD Madrid 2024 -> fall off, VIT/DRX/EDG/TE Bangkok 2025 -> fall off)

he explained FNS too. it makes sense.

something like this (based on what I took from what he said): FNS allowed for Yay to succeed and FNS was the brains behind the Chamber meta. FNS has contributed a lot to the strategy in this game. Without FNS, Yay has been looking dogshit on multiple teams.

wdym?

how r u putting an 8-team event (Madrid/Bangkok) > EWC

I need to understand your logic. Here is my argument btw:

Reasons why EWC is not mickey :

• VCT Stage 1, the tournament that qualified teams to Toronto (which you guys do not say is Mickey despite some momentum/warm-up disadvantages for 1st seed teams in Toronto playoffs), is the same tournament that qualified teams to EWC/gave advantages for the 3rd/4th place VCT Stage 1 teams in the EWC qualifer. Teams were trying to qualify to EWC and Toronto when playing in VCT Stage 1 (EWC was a higher priority though since it has a higher prize pool).
• The higher prize pool (1.25mil > 1mil. 500k for the winner at EWC > 350k for the winner at Toronto)
• No byes for any teams (no teams are instantly in playoffs). This makes it so that all teams are equally warmed-up when in playoffs and Single-Elim is valid (the real best team wins).

i put > now

W

nah he gave a valid reason to not put Alfajer. his list isnt based on top performances/success

you can see his twitter

EU is the best right now yes

If this continues into champs, they will overtake PACIFIC as the best region of 2025 and AMERICAS will be 3rd for the first time ever (which they already are so far in 2025)

buddy thinks kickoff masters madrid (8-team event) is somehow less mickey than LOCK//IN. I cant with this delulu

edit: 8-team event with short qualifiers

updated

international placement?
Alfajer: 4th, 5th-6th, 1st, 1st, 4th, 7th-8th, 5th-6th, 2nd, 1st/2nd EWC
Aspas: 2nd, 11th-12th, 1st, 2nd, 7th-8th, 3rd, 9th-10th, 3rd, 11th-12th
Derke: 2nd, 5th-8th, - (covid), 4th, 5th-6th, 1st, 1st, 4th, 7th-8th, 5th-6th, 4th
Chronicle: 1st, 2nd, 1st, 1st, 4th, 7th-8th, 5th-6th, 2nd, 1st/2nd EWC

no

Alfa is not top 3 even after this

Chron, Derke, Aspas top 3 will still remain after this. Boaster is 4. Alfajer is like 5-9 since Alfa is mostly mechanics (Chamber, Iso, etc)

FNC surely dont lose to TH/GEN.G and become 3x chokers right? (we would have more 2nd places than PRX and TH)

exactly

People are just biased against EMEA insanely hard and so now they are calling EWC mickey lmao.

look at the downfrags. they are all silent since they know I am right

1. Chronicle is the GOAT. no discussion needed. 6/15 International Finals.

2. PACIFIC has been the best region since the start of 2025. Not since the middle of 2024 lol (EMEA and AMER had better average placements at Shanghai than PAC, and PAC in Champs 2024 was 💀).

3. Event Tier Ranking:

   • S+: Champs
   • S: Masters, Esports World Cup
   • A: Kickoff Masters (Madrid, Bangkok), LOCK//IN
   • D: Redbull, other random offseason

4. Reasons why EWC is not mickey (give your arguments against this if you can use logic):

   • VCT Stage 1, the tournament that qualified teams to Toronto (which you guys do not say is Mickey despite some momentum/warm-up disadvantages for 1st seed teams in Toronto playoffs), is the same tournament that qualified teams to EWC/gave advantages for the 3rd/4th place VCT Stage 1 teams in the EWC qualifer. Teams were trying to qualify to EWC and Toronto when playing in VCT Stage 1 (EWC was a higher priority though since it has a higher prize pool).
   • The higher prize pool (1.25mil > 1mil. 500k for the winner at EWC > 350k for the winner at Toronto)
   • No byes for any teams (no teams are instantly in playoffs). This makes it so that all teams are equally warmed-up when in playoffs and Single-Elim is valid (the real best team wins).

5. REGION RANKING EVERY YEAR (not based on trophies but actual region performance as a whole):

   • 2021: EMEA >>> AMER >>>>>>> PAC
   • 2022: AMER > EMEA > PAC >>> CN
   • 2023: AMER > EMEA >> PAC >>> CN
   • 2024: AMER > EMEA > PAC >> CN
   • 2025: PAC > EMEA >> AMER >> CN

again. its the viewer experience. not player experience.

you clearly dont understand what "mickey mouse tournament" means

he doesnt insta-mute unless he had a game where people were toxic before that (which makes sense. people can get tired of toxic people).
otherwise, he only mutes teammates if they are complaining/toxic instead of trying to focus on the game lol

You are acting as if tech pauses (Sayf Ults) havent happened at every event. It isnt some unique issue bro.

1 game btw. and TH had already almost won that

Stop trying to distract from reality. If there were actual issues, the players would have talked about it.

This event only had a few issues for the VIEWERS. NOT THE PLAYERS