They clearly acted emotionally here. I think most people would feel wronged if they were in same situation. Obviously they shouldn't have gone as hard without info.
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They clearly acted emotionally here. I think most people would feel wronged if they were in same situation. Obviously they shouldn't have gone as hard without info.
I mean they don't always have the info so maybe they just assume because Riot hasn't done anything like this before
this has the be the worst best thing ever happened in Valorant Esport especially after FPX won so it kind of got justice. Ardiis not fist pumping opponents and Zyppan looked so mad when he was doing it how he first pumped sykkoo looked so aggressive and doing cry thing with finger the drama and after drama will be crazy
Yeah I feel like it should be played from something like 12-9 or something like that aka 11 minus 2 OT rounds taken into consideration and even still it would feel wrong. Should be played tomorrow tho so people can mentally reset.
Imagine the mental as well. FPX has everything to lose while XSET has nothing to lose. That effects mental so much and we have seen it already multiple times.
this is so fucking terrible decision by riot
It just sucks because they have just kept it in the game while planning on franchising leagues for next year lol
on top of that this has taken like 1 hour to fix 2AM in Turkey when the game official ended already. Should have taken action instantly, but I guess it wasn't as simple.
No reasonable person would call this hollow victory. Multiple pro players and personalities have said that this shouldn't be replayed.
there are so many bugs and shit happening almost every game that soon every game will be replayed
Such weird decision tbh. It fucked XSET over, but at the same time this decision fucks FPX over as well. False sense of relief after the victory that might effect them mentally. Going to be hard af to get back into same mindset when there's been like 1 hours break and uncertainty.
yeah for sure I don't know why it still exist I guess its just hard to fix because of how the turret works with bursting and lock on
This is so fucked if it actually happens IMO these players already resetted their game mindset and now have to jump back into high intensity round.
But that is just how it works. ANGE1 peaks quick and instantly retreats that triggers turret's burst and then it resets back to old position that is looking towards haven. Its how the turret has always worked and bad/good timing.
I mean that is just how KJ turret works. Obviously maybe in that specific situation it bugged or something, but similar has happened in pro games before and even my own games. Turret just shoots to opposite direction from where the enemy is because it starts the burst but then resets position when player disappears from pov
But that is how KJ turret works it really isn't a bug. Its just fault in the game and FPX didn't abuse it.
True, but if replay happens it almost certainly was because FPX agreed to out of sportsmanship. I don't think Riot could just force them to replay it after winning and FPX not abusing any bug. They won fair. If Riot forces it then its just huge bullshit from Riot's side no matter what happens.
Only reason why they would replay is if FPX agreed to so respect to them if it happens. But as I said that is just how KJ turret works and has always worked. Remember something similar happening not that long time ago can't remember was it in Copenhagen or EMEA Stage 2 and if I'm not wrong it happened vs EMEA team because I got bit mad but it is what it is.
True but that is just how it goes
His mechanics are really nice for such IGL. Its really snappy and crisp at times.
Doesn't really count because FPX couldn't attend and Fnatic had 2 subs. Liquid looked pretty bad in EMEA and G2 peaked at right time to make it as 2nd seed but returned back to worse form in Reykjavik (Fnatic choked seeding games). I personally think Liquid making it out of group was good for EMEA and showed its power, because I thought they would get shit on.
That's just how KJ turret works and has always worked.
100T and XSET both eliminated by EMEA teams so who got the last laugh? Don't know about FPX and OpTic yet.
"playing home" like if every player was from Turkey
its 11PM in Turkey and its Tuesday
CSGO doesn't need updates so that isn't a problem. Its one of the most perfect games in that regard.
cope only reason no one in NA plays it is because they suck at it
that's why its so dumb especially on Pearl
Yeah what was he thinking but I think that just also shows how broken Chamber is as agent. Imagine peaking like that with sniper because you trust it can scope in quick enough.
They should just delete Chamber or nerf it to ground. Its just crazy how good that agent is. Even pre nerf Jett wasn't as busted. You can just play with teleport in tens of different locations and just get kills if the enemy guesses wrong. Like what can you do on Pearl B long? You can play so many locations and enemy team can't do anything unless they get insane shot.
Such trash and boring map. B long is so dumb. Chamber solo hold always going to get 1 kill because of how broken it is. They really need to do something with B.
True, but maybe in the future it will be like LoL where they have bunch of own songs that they can play.
That is true Fnatic were really good on it and it gave them advantage and I've even mentioned it while talking about Pearl. Doesn't change my point tho.
EMEA is bad on Pearl 100%. But my point is that its somewhat understandable why this might have happened and why that might be more about the map being newer than about the teams or region being bad overall. Because if you had bad read or something since the beginning its over and you couldn't even prepare for it.
Yeah I know and that was my point. I just like to take more games and tournaments into consideration when rating players. Not only basing opinion on 1 event. But as I said he had good performance here and I hope he can continue it. Its just bit risky because there's going to be many good players without teams and Fnatic could have the chances of picking up someone who could be even better than him and put up more consistent performances.
You realize that we cannot at this point tell why EMEA teams are weak on Pearl. There are so many factors that might have led to this. For example heard Sliggy saying that Liquid was doing really well on Pearl in scrims, but what happened vs PRX? Maybe their style was just suited vs EMEA teams and shit vs international teams. Or maybe EMEA tier 2 teams etc that they scrim against just aren't good on that map and it gave false confidence. Or maybe they just had an idea and plan, but other regions like NA just had better idea and plan on this map. This is what happens when there isn't much footage on new maps. And because of this Pearl will look completely different when next tournament comes along. Teams will be much better prepared and much better on it on macro level.
and I understand that this is partly coping from my part, but my point is that you can scrim a new map as much as possible and think you are good at it, but it might still be shit vs international teams just because the region isn't good at it or you are not used to different style etc. It isn't coincidence why all 3 EMEA teams suck on it.
He had good tournament outside of last game. But you need to take the past into consideration as well. Mistic performed way above expectations here and the question is that can he continue this form or not. Its same as every person is praising Enzo for his clutches in Copenhagen, but didn't take rest of his performance into consideration.
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Yes. Even if they have Derke and Alfajer I don't think having 3 pretty weak fraggers is enough. Especially when Derke and Alfajer haven't been carrying as hard as they did at one point. Boaster is usually weak on firepower but that is understandable for his role, but having Mistic and Enzo who are both pretty mediocre fraggers or even weak at times isn't enough. Like imagine if they had someone like Leo on initiator or Trexx on flex or whatever it would instantly add so much more firepower on paper. Obviously firepower isn't everything and I'm just random vlr user.
like if you think teams like OpTic they have Yay, Crashies and Marved. FPX has Shao, Suygetsu, Ardiis, Zyppan. etc. not only 2 hard fraggers and 3 mid fraggers.
Just my opinion. EMEA didn't prepare to be bad vs international teams on Pearl so that fucked their map pools. Next event it will be way better because teams improve a lot on maps after international events and now they know how to improve. And IMO EMEA has the most good teams out of any region and the potential for next year is insane.
EMEA best region no matter what happens this event IMO. Most competitive and highest potential. Just got fucked by Pearl this event and inconsistency.
He just kept dying because he wouldn't tp out. Seemed like he wasn't expecting DRX Neon rushes at all. Even if you watch DRX games as random spectator you know that they do super aggro Neon plays all the time. Derke would just stay on site or disk or whatever not expecting Rb to rush him. Obviously there's more into it and reason likely, but he got caught off so many times and feels like he could have avoided them if he didn't try to get openers.
Nah they need to think of possibly replacing Mistic and/or Enzo. Those 2 are clearly the weak links of this roster. Boaster is the IGL and core of this team so they shouldn't and they won't get rid of him.
Classic Fnatic. Never popping off together. Mistic had good tournament so far and then goes -16 last game while Enzo was finally putting up decent performance minus couple of those rounds on Ascent. Always someone is underperforming. Unlucky can't really blame anyone but its just unlucky.
They don't know how to stop DRX rushes so they have to retake all the time. DRX likes to rush sites all the time with heavy util Neon just running in, but Fnatic has no idea how to stop it. At least FPX knows how to counter that. Like how many times was Derke just staying on site not expecting them to rush like even I know this as spectator.
Enzo was so close of getting fucked there
Fnatic thought DRX was holding A main so all good nothing wrong about that ult
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