thanks

no duelist is so much better on icebox im ngl
waiting for a team to run triple initiator lowkey i think itd cook

why is this comp such an insane cook im in love icl
has anyone else run this comp outside of geng here and furia against kru? would love to vod review

vods for anyone else interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLGzvQQDXH0&t=580s FURvKRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN8w-VjGxYE&t=450s G2vEG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16YywhYrHho&t=457s M80vTSM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csqHlkuc5EA&t=808s M80vSAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny8yc9ukE3o&t=956s M80vTG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTXBu3IKlng&t=374s BBLvKOI(lmfaooo)
not counting giantx from kickoff because 1. that team is horrendous and 2. they ran a duelist

my face has been like that one screenshot of cauanzin for the past 20 minutes straight

liquid at least belong in t1 even if they're still ass
gx are one of the worst things ive ever had the displeasure of watching

aMSa clears i fear

no bc wtf is their plan there?? like did they not comm breach ult or does mistic not know that playing the highest ground possible on the site when theres an ult that sends you Very High is not a good idea?
never seen a less coordinated defense side in general icl

im losing my mind at mistic playing on top of friggin TV while ardiis has breach ult(you'll never guess what happens to him!)

won first map, up 10-1 on the second map, and had a 5v3 on the 10-2 pistol, and not only still lost the map, but got a total of 6 rounds after first half of split in the entire match
cannot be understated how disastrous that is... these players should be fined for losing a game like that honestly

think you're overvaluing their masters' performances
and they didnt get "shitted on" lol
KC went 35-33 against PRX in rounds in their match and TH ran PRX close in their 1-2 loss as well
and if you think either of those teams are "mid" you've completely lost the plot

depends on how you define 'top-heavy'
there's definitely a massive divide between the good teams and the bad ones but imo theres also a lot of good teams

if apac is behind emea in your opinion, what do you think the breakdown looks like in that way to make them worse? ik the numbers are arbitrary in some sense but curious how you think the concept applies

koi are an unserious team

tbh KC played so poorly on Lotus
i think they're better than fut but this match going close is not a shocker considering kc beat fut to qual for playins through a n4rrate 40 bomb septuple overtime on lotus
FUT will be competitive tho yetujey is so much better than mojj its wild to me

one of these is not like the others

GiantX surely are not good enough to win this theres no way

buddy said that and then keznit got as many kills in the following round as havoc did in furias first map

the way you cope you surely have to be a leafs fan no?
u cant get 3-0d and call the series "close" for a series to be close you need to have a serious chance of winning it
cant have a serious chance of winning a series you lose all the maps in
doesnt matter if they're all sextuple overtime

bros coping about a 3-0 being close and im the dumbass LMAO i cant bro

here i'll give you a list of every 3-0 you can correctly label as "close":

....

bragging about "shitting on" 3 teams that went combined 9-18 in league play LMAOOO are all n0vi fans delusional or?

0/8

top 1 gekko players for sure

fr that guy is nasty as fuckkk

shocked they picked him up over aproto tbh, but ig i didnt see the tryouts so ill wait and see before i judge too harshly

do you think i was implying people said NRG were washed because they hated NRG
they said NRG was washed because they thought the team was washed dawg lets call a spade a spade ya?

so you're saying people that were calling NRG washed were all not serious?

sounds good bud

saadhaks wet dream

how did we feel? W or no? im at a hockey game so didnt watch

lowkey its still winnable for loud purely based off the raw skill they have but if nrg are to be as good as theyre expected to this shouldnt be difficult for them

W article

idk, i think a serious part of the reason th and kc beat fnatic is because they both play much more disciplined and have extremely good fundamentals
fut and navi don't really have that kind of focus on fundies that heretics and kcorp do
i could see it happening for sure but those wins kind of rely more on a Guy Diff which doesnt really have the same effect on fnc like it did on vitality the other day

think they tweeted like yesterday or the day before that they arrived

"no teams that were at madrid ran a duelist on icebox" heretics played icebox two days ago and did not run a duelist
i know they werent there for long(neither were kc sadly) but heretics were in fact also at madrid!

exactly two good teams can run the comp and it can still be bad or not optimal
i beg to just see one more team run harbor gekko so they can actually plant top site instead of blindly sending lil bro to his death on the regular

? in what way is my comment bait lmao the comp is designed to fight aggressively in pre-plant situations because their only plant util is wingman, but zeta used their util really poorly and took a ton of dry fights and struggled to get bomb down cleanly on A site, and did not have number advantage postplants, which should be the goal of the gekko/kayo/jett comp
i also think that the goal of the comp does not flow well with how icebox is structured - fighting aggressively in that way is risky and when you are zeta and seemingly can't use your util, the comp is even worse
i would so much rather see a harbor or a sova or a sage over one of kayo/jett both in general and based on how zeta played
icebox is the simplest map in the game theres honestly not that much room to fuck this up imo

someone needs to come tell this heretics fan team heretics was at madrid

ok, evil geniuses run deadlock
tons of tier 2 teams are also playing no duelist
no duelist was even something teams such as nrg were playing before icebox got taken out(still an identical map with an added window btw)
it also doesnt matter what little qualifiers you put on it dawg you said "every good team" when YOUR VERY TEAM doesnt follow your dumbass statement and beat fnatic with it, by the way
like you're just wrong and still replying

imagine they drop a new comp and 2-0 tho

did i argue for double senti specifically?? please attempt reading sometime this year

the very team you are repping does not run a duelist
https://www.vlr.gg/318915/fnatic-vs-team-heretics-champions-tour-2024-emea-stage-1-w1/?game=164100&tab=overview

wtf are you talking about my guy

ya maybe im judging too harshly, but i still think the comp has some pretty significant deficiencies that zeta clearly do not know how to compensate for
i also generally dislike duelist on icebox

i zoned out watching how long did hiroronn end up holding ult for

ehhh not really lol teams that run double initiator are often taking out the duelist in exchange, harbor also has like a 40-50% pickrate?
the comp just lacks direct plant assistance that requires the team to compensate by fighting with the flash util and zeta havent used a flash in their entire lives it seems

ya and it sucks
the plant util is weak as fuck and even still hiroronn is severely underusing his util
yuran also shit wingman usage

wtf is this? gekko+kayo and jett?? you're picking a duelist but no sova, your ONLY plant agent is the gekko, and where tf is yuran sending lil bro on the A hits because bomb keeps going down in fuckass nowhere, and can't get the plant down because no harbor, no sage, just a wingman with legit zero assistance
sugarzero creating zero mid pressure too

also someone update me when hiroronn binds his util

did we watch the same match man GE look horrible
Thinking Men would 26-0 this team this is not a serious franchising team

what does this team even do in scrims? what do they do in vod review? what do their coaches do? what does their igl do?

this GE team looks like they're discovering through the game how to play it, absolutely directionless
zero purpose to any of their util, no intensity, just completely lost

this is just truly lost... GE look like silvers with this "strategy"
completely and totally lost, they dont seem to understand the point of their agents even
never seen a more comfortable A site hold in my entire life

and thats ignoring the whole thing of polvi having seemingly never played raze before, what is that satchel entry off the a box???? truly horrible scenes
also ignoring this team has never traded properly before
dryest util ever with absolutely no ideas at all, absolutely shocking

tbf i expected a close game too lol

7 kills across two maps...