The primary concern right now is why some users on here attack all former XSET members, that play for SEN, with their pathetic emotional fraustration over SEN's generally poor performance and ofc, over Sick's antics? Why does it have to be that just ex-XSET members get the pounding, but TenZ, Pancada, and Sacy are never mentioned?

Tell me, why the fuck you pick on certain players, while leaving out others? Do you and others like you have some kind of AGENDA or wtf?

Just to open your cute little eyes on the problem, nobody from SEN's team was able to get past fourth place on the scoring board across both maps in the matchup against winning the tourney team - FNC. Would that be enough of a finding to alarm some of the most inquisitive minds of VLR, who are still to this day, continue to bash former XSET members while also being totally absorbed into Sick's annals? Nevertheless, no one is concerned because it is obvously all XSET's fault - their fraudulent goal, at the end of the day, no?... and who else could fail SEN's already non exsistent system but former XSET members - trust me bro it's all their fault, they say.

P.S. What? You still can't read? ---> GTFO, then!

You guys sound IMMATURELY PATHETIC in your judgments, yet you're not even ashamed of it, maybe thinking - "Oh, not a big deal, as we will get somebody else as a replacement." Well, SQUAT - not going to happen this way... you will not find any better than that, surely not at the time of the active deal between XSET and SEN. There were some prospects but with all due respect, they were less experienced in NA's top tier.

Nice one and good luck! <3

CONGRATULATIONS to Boaster, Derke, Leo, Chronicle, Alfajer, kamyk (6th), Mini, Anderzz, slk, and CoJo, as well as everyone else that contributed to this amazing team winning the trophy

Finally, the cycle has been broken, and with very good reasons: you have shown to be the best team! - WELL DESERVED! 🎉🎉🎉

Additionally,

COMPLIMENTS to Loud for an outstanding performance. ❤️❤️❤️

It was extremely close... Holyyy.... One of... if not THE best game to date!

Thank you! 💐💐💐

GG WP - congrats to Chronicle and the team ... Loud were one tough opponent!

What a game! Jeeeeesus ...

Oh, SADGE 😟

Smarty pants, aren't we? Now, let's see what we've got...

Brimstan's Data (rough estimation)
980 posts in 281 days 
8,987 words or 41,382 symbols excluding spaces in total.
980 post = 9 words or 42 symbols excluding spaces, per one post

And

clocksky888 (rough estimation)
646 posts in 718 days
44,057 words or 214,500 symbols excluding spaces in total.
646 posts = 68 words or 332 symbols excluding spaces,  per one post.

So, if we scale (coefficient would be around 5) down my estimates to yours, you will get 45 words or 210 symbols excluding spaces per each one of your posts. That is, I still spend 1.5 times as much time posting as you do.

HOWEVER #1, If we take into the account my typing speed which is 3-5 times faster than yours on f-ing AVERAGE, and my knowledge base and how efficiently better I operate it than you, then my time spent is even lower than yours on here!

However #2 I still managed to write 44,057 words while you only 8,987 words, which means I provide over 5 times as much information while spending roughly the same amount of time than you, if not less.

You ARE still SUCK, kid!

P.S. Keep sucking, and SIT back. You took 20 minutes of my valuable time to lecture your LAME ass, and now it's over ;)

G2 Mary

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Do you comprehend what I'm implying or are you still somewhat ignorant? Is it necessary for me to be extra specific about who is spending time replying, or is it evident from the above?

Lesson for you: Don''t shove your, already longer than Pinoccio's, nose into conversations that will end with a BIG L for you ;)

Now, take a sit, kiddo!

Oh, really? Talking out of your ass? I see.... But what about the skeletons in the closet down below? - Imma suck those PEDs like they were mother's milk...

And how many were not caught on time? Now, we're talking, aren't we?

Al Oerter ? Alex Badman ? Alicia Brown ? Alvin Harrison ? Angella Taylor-Issajenko ? Antonio Pettigrew ? Art Swarts ? Atalelech Ketema ? Ben Johnson ? Ben Plucknett ? Bernard Williams ? Bill Green ? Bishop Dolegiewicz ? Bonnie Dasse ? Brian Frasure ? Bruce Pirnie ? Butch Reynolds ? C.J. Hunter ? Calvin Harrison ? Carl Lewis ? Cheryl Thibedeau ? Chris Lukezic ? Chris Phillips ? Chryste Gaines ? Cordera Jenkins ? Crystal Cox ? Damu Cherry ? Debbie Dunn ? Delisa Walton-Floyd ? Dennis Mitchell ? Desai Williams ? Diane Williams ? Duane Ross ? Duncan Atwood ? Eddy Hellebuyck ? Eric Thomas ? Erick Walder ? Esther Akinsulie ? Floyd Heard ? Garrett Scantling ? Gary Kinder ? Gea Johnson ? Greg Foster ? Gregg Tafralis ? Gwen Berry ? Harold Connolly ? Hazel Clark ? Inger Miller ? Inika McPherson ? Ivory Williams ? Jake Freeman ? Jeff Laynes ? Jerome Young ? Jessica Cosby ? Jillian Camarena-Williams ? Jim Doehring ? Joan Wenzel ? John Capel ? John McEwen ? Jon Drummond ? Jud Logan ? Julie Baumann ? Justin Gatlin ? Kamy Keshmiri ? Kathy Jager ? Kelli White ? Kenta Bell ? Kevin Braunskill ? Kevin Toth ? Kory Tarpenning ? LaMark Carter ? Larry Myricks ? Larry Wade ? LaShawn Merritt ? LaVonna Martin-Floreal ? Lee Evans ? Lindsey Scherf ? Marion Jones ? Mark Jelks ? Mark McKoy ? Mark Rowe ? Mary Akor Basley ? Mary Decker ? Mary Slaney ? Melissa Myerscough ? Michael Berry ? Michael Sokolowski ? Michelle Collins ? Mickey Grimes ? Mike Gravelle ? Mike Mahovlich ? Mike Rodgers ? Mike Stulce ? Molly Killingbeck ? Monzavous Edwards ? Peter Dajia ? Ramon Clay ? Randolph Ross ? Randy Barnes ? Regina Jacobs ? Rob Gray ? Sandra Farmer-Patrick ? Sandra Glover ? Scott Boothby ? Serene Ross ? Shawn Crawford ? Shawnacy Barber ? Shelby Houlihan ? Tim Montgomery ? Timothy Rusan ? Tony Dees ? Tony Sharpe ? Torri Edwards ? Trevor Graham ? Tyson Gay? Venolyn Clarke ? Wallace Spearmon ? Walter Davis ?

Say what??? Athletes??? ... More like PEDthletes!

Suck it UP, kiddo!

P.S. Keep calm and carry on cheating ;)

Oh, look is he's talking about STICKING TOGETHER?

Yeah, LMAO... Over the southern border and right into your wide ass crack...

What comes next, size queen? Will you also absorb Greenland with your already ginourmus ass crack?

Nothing to sorry about - you are absolutely on point here... Poor and laughable management is the cause for such NOOB like decisions. In reality, the couldn't pull it off.

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In response #5, I listed the five worst teams. The statistics originate from the VLR, with some extra rough group estimates...
Now, we do not assess the teams in absolute terms here. This tournament is merely a series of games that happened during some instance in time, and while it was only one instance, FPX did not look to be the worst team amongst the 32 competing ones, nor did KC appear to be the worst. They just gave us everything they could, and SHIN, for example, was not all that horrible.

At the end of the day, underperforming teams may have been simply unlucky, and we will see them improve the next time - not the end of the world.

Aye, me too... I doubted him before the roster but boy oh boy - he's not bad at all.

In fact, there's another online resource where his name proudly ranked at TOP 2 of the tournament. I know it's a bit of a stretch but nevertheless, am always happy to see new additions that can pull it off ;)

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I see what you mean, and if I misinterpreted you... appologies therein

And absolutely, you are correct as by looking at Furia, mwzera, and dgzin do stand out of the rest as outliers ---> in other words, they were carrying the team. The other three players, Mazin, Quick, and Khalil, were somewhat in their own close domain of low estimates.

Attention here!

However, this sort of setup might still be regarded acceptable by Furia, and neither Mazin, Quick, or Khalil are guilty of underperformance. Therefore, It would be entirely unfair to criticize those three players without first learning the circumstances surrounding their team's game strategy. Indeed, we may say that raising the performance bar is required of them, but it must be done with caution so as not to dismoralize them for some wrongdoing. Therefore we ought to be always careful in judging them, since the lads may have been simply nervous on the stage which led them to perform poorly.

I'd say Twitch chat banter is one thing, but dragging a bashing of players on forums is quite another.

Edited: Typos.

Team    RD      RT      ACS     ADR     K:D     KAST    HS%
KC      103     1.0     205     130     1.04    72.8%   33.4%
T1      20      0.8     178     115     0.75    67.0%   28.6%

It is a mistaken assumption. For the sake of an argument, disregard T1's only 20 rounds. KC appears superior on paper despite playing five times as many rounds as T1 - we can expect decreased skewness as more rounds are played. IMHO 100 rounds are still insufficient to provide a thorough picture of said teams, however we may somehow offer general estimates for the sake of a comparison.

Having said that, the average ACS across all teams in the tournament is 194, implying that after 20 rounds, all T1 could have achieved is a below-average ACS performance. Long term, this perfomance will flatten out, and they may not even reach the average of 194 ACS, indicating that T1 is pretty much a low to mid-level team, at the moment. And there isn't much to say except that they need to improve. But it is enough clear from what they have shown us that they are ranked below KC.

Again, things are not always set in stone and should be approached with caution.

Okay, we can always discuss the value of HS% in the game, but let me tell you about Furia's recent performance ;)

KD, Furia is ranked 12th, slightly below EG, who is ranked 11th. ACS ---> Furia is in the top 17... and ADR? Furia ranks 19th in ADR.

Unfourtunately, All of the rankings are lower than their HS% rank.

Things can definitely be improved, as also can be seen by their live matches.

Edited: Change of the initial tone <3

Although playing twice as many rounds which *leads to less skewness, DRX' fagging power is somewhat higher than Furia's --> :

Team    RD      RT      ACS     ADR     K:D     KPR     KAST    HS%
DRX     176     1.11    213.8   138.6   1.16    0.74    76.6%   0.260
FUR     76      1.00    199.0   125.5   1.02    0.70    70.6%   0.286

Wait but DRX is/was a better team, in general, anyways.

What --------->>> ? ------------>>> What are you on about?
Do you actually see mwzera in those tables... NO, because THOSE are the tables for the teams!

NO, because they or any of the pro-players, for that matter, have their own will to do what ever F they want to do... at any times. We were initially supposed to evaluate them purely on their game performance, leaving personal decisions to them to decide.... But very and very UNFORTUNATE, this is not the case here.

Unluchcko:

    Team    RD  RT      ACS     ADR     KAST    K:D     KPR
1.  DFM     37  0.69    166.33  107.45  60.00%  0.71    0.56
2.  PRX     38  0.76    176.20  123.20  69.40%  0.70    0.58
3.  SEN     39  0.76    160.70  108.58  65.80%  0.73    0.56
4.  T1      20  0.77    178.20  115.32  67.00%  0.75    0.60
5.  KRÜ     41  0.77    153.60  104.90  63.40%  0.65    0.52

17-32 teams ranked from top to bottom based on rough HS%_avg - a fair indicator of AIM capability:

    Team    HS%
17. VIT     25.60%
18. KOI     25.6%*
19. TL      25.6%*
20. EDG     25.4%*
21. TLN     25.00%
22. LOUD    24.00%
23. FUT     23.40%
24. FNC     23.20%
25. LEV     23.00%
26. TS      23.0%*
27. Cloud9  21.6%*
28. PRX     21.6%*
29. NRG     21.60%
30. GES     21.4%*
31. GEN     20.2%*
32. EG      17.2%*

(*) - Played fewer than 100 rounds in the tournament (Data may possibly be skewed.)

1-16 teams, ranked from top to bottom based on rough HS%_avg - a fair indicator of AIM capability:

    Team    HS%
1.  KC      33.40%
2.  NAVI    33.00%
3.  DFM     33.0%*
4.  MIBR    29.2%*
5.  SEN     28.8%*
6.  GIA     28.6%*
7.  FUR     28.6%*
8.  T1      28.6%*
9.  BBL     28.4%*
10. ZETA    28.2%*
11. RRQ     28.2%*
12. TH      27.8%*
13. FPX     27.6%*
14. 100T    26.40%
15. KRÜ     26.4%*
16. DRX     26.00%

(*) - Played fewer than 100 rounds in the tournament (Data may possibly be skewed.)

I'll break it down for you below, so stick with me:

"All players that you listed plays way better than Depph my brother. I'm saying that he is old and can't do IGL, can't AIM"

Forgive me for disagreeing with you, as I beleive your statement to be entirely your uninformed opinion (with all due respect) on the topic to which you've been committed… However, if we were to look at it realistically, we would discover a great deal of contradiction in your statement. What it looks to me, you clearly have not compared his performance to those guys, instead basing your opinion on your emotional reaction to watching his games live. This is not entirely wrong or a bad approach, but it is insufficient in its core for such а strong statement!

"Depph has no growth potential at all anymore; where does he fit? Nowhere?"

In the case of Depph, the initial goal, I beleive, was to adapt previously capable players/coach from another team - XSET to allow them to construct suitable disciplinal framework in SEN, because prior players/stuff were out of touch with structural framework. This sort of foundation is required in any organisation to enable the type of GROWTH (that you propose) for present players as well as emerging prospects. SEN require a functional framework in place, and XSET has demonstrated competence in such matters in the past, when they effectively constructed the roster from the ground up to become the top NA contender - they were on the F-ing rise back then!

"Even Jessie is way better AIM than Depph, Depph was never good at AIM and never good at IGL too he is just being pay check stealer now. He doesn't have any positive point to stay in SEN in this moment."

It's not just a matter of AIM, but also of IGL skills, and Dephh had demonstrated excellent IGL skills in the past. In general, I disagree with your AIM remark because Dephh scored HS 28% amongst the best of aimers (see below list) during previous Champions 2022 in Istanbul. It's up to you whether you agree or disagree, but HS% is the only indicator in the game that suggests the most efficient outcome for the player during duels - the faster the enemy falls, the better chances you have to store your health and the health of your teammates, hence HS% is one of the most crucial indicators, also to assess one's aim capability.

Positive points are also subjective since, despite the fact that we are all BALLS DEEP in the current drama, we have no f-ing realistic picture of the situation - only simply he said, she said.

Head Shot % From Valorant Champions 2022 in Istanbul:

Shao;30%    f0rsakeN;30%    ScreaM;29%      Mazino;29%      Marved;29%      dephh;28%       Zyppan;27%  
T-lilla;27% keznit;27%      Mazin;27%       yay;26%         crashies;26%    crashies;26%    BuZz;26%    
Melser;26%  Victor;25%      Sacy;25%        Less;25%        Alfajer;25%     Shyy;25%        aspas;24%       
Cryo;24%    zekken;24%      kiNgg;23%       Asuna;22%       Klaus;22%       sScary;22%      FNS;21%         
saadhak;21% ardiis;21%      Sushiboys;21%

To wrap it up, direct age discrimination, as I see it extremely often on here, leads to very unpleasant harassment, which is inherently unacceptable, whether in Valorant or any organization. Therefore, please, stop believing nonsense and start thinking with your head!

https://www.vlr.gg/event/stats/1188/champions-tour-2023-lock-in-s-o-paulo?exclude=&min_rounds=100&agent=all

^^^ I've already filtered "Min 100 Rounds" for you... By following that link above, all you have to do is click on the R (RATING) column and sort it from Z-A, or HIGH to LOW down.

And this is the reason why I said "no brainer";) Good day!

PS. I am also surprised to see Shin as high up in the chart; but I honestly don't see any contradictions in any of his columns. He had done exceptionally well and deserved to be recognised.

No Brainer:

1. NAVI Shao
2. FNC Leo
3. NAVI Zyppan
4. FNC Derke
5. NAVI cNed
   ------------------------
6. DRX MaKo
7. FNC Chronicle
8. KC SHIN
9. LEV Shyy
10. KC Nivera
11. LOUD Less
12. NAVI ANGE1
13. NRG crashies
14. FNC Alfajer
15. VIT Twisten
16. NRG s0m

A typical day in the office ;)

BTW, why not include Subroza on your list? Didn't you know he's an excellent smoker main?

No, they are not... They are all equally (more or less) competent, but the skill gap is quite narrow, whilst many people still rate gMd higher - for deserved reasons...
Yet, for the purpose of sportsmanship, we may classify them as controllers who should be given the opportunity to develop on higher tier teams!

(0+7) + (1+8) + (2+9) + (5+17) = ;)

A little more pedantic than necessary since such problems can get far more complex than given above.

This

Team    Name    Agent           R       ACS     ADR     K   D   A   +/–     KAST    FK  FD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
LEV     Shyy    Killjoy         0.86    180     126     24  26  7   -2      74%     5   2
LEV     kiNgg   Kay0/Viper      0.68    189     133     22  35  12  -13     61%     5   6
LEV     Mazino  Omen/Brim       0.65    134     81      17  28  9   -11     58%     1   5
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
NAVI    ANGE1   Omen/Cypher     0.95    207     124     30  24  6   +6      71%     2   7

pancada49: "...those braindead flanks ange1 did against KRU won't work against LEV."

Flanks or Not ---> ANGE1 OWNED LEV! Yet, no matter what they say, you're beautiful and bright - it's just not this time ;)

        Name    Agent       R       ACS     ADR     K   D   A   +/–     KAST    FK  FD
FNC     Boaster Brim/Viper  1.1     187     110     24  24  18   0      81%     5   3
100T    Bang    Omen/Viper  0.55    131     89      18  30  7   -12     54%     2   2

Apologies for the below... I didn't mean to write a wall... it's just am venting out on this disgusting topic <3

There is a considerable difference between designating a certain player to play a role and then believing that this same player to be the best in this role across the whole region... the latter is referred to as OVERRATING which NA region is so good at. Good luck to 100T and Bang.... and please disregard comparing Bang to a superstar player such as Boaster - just wanted to make a point.

Nevertheless, any organisation that decides to abandon such a top-tier talent/player as MarveD is dubbed CLUELESS and BRAINDEAD... I don't care what anyone believes - <<insert here the name of anyone in the industry>> - I will prove them wrong. You don't even have to look too deep into the data to find MarveD's excellence in the role, not even scratching the f-ing surface - the fact has been known since long time. LET THE KID PLAY, god damn!

And surprise surpise.... YAY too found himself on the bench (which is literally a crime) - bunch of premature - aka "Imma choke you with my urgent goal projections" - noobs of a region, nothing else - in terms of ORGANISATIONAL efficiency and estimation of their talent pool. Who on F-ing earth would put YAY and Leaf on the same team??? <--- rhetorical question ofc. If you do so, then for love of a god, assign them accordingly! But no....

If anything, the whole region should be ashamed of how their orgs treat pro players! Though, respect to sgares on doing it the right way....

PS, don't believe I'm speaking from a place of hatred or jealousy... but of pure and factual truth and fairness to hardworking players!

MarveD...
Moreover, I disagree with the idea that Bang is the second greatest smoker in North America.

moatzART and his COPIUM symphonies

OPUS moatzIUMs

I think she's too DOM for the poor boi... and he'd need to file for a restraining order or the HUNTER becomes the HUNTED - fetish scenario is likely to occur at some point in time.
Jokes aside, at least nobody got hurt in the whole spin off, which typically is the case in such seemingly toxic relationships.

... the gf is having an affair with another dude, but SICK is fine with it though apparently ...

H.O.L.Y F.C.U.C.K - I wish I hadn't read that detail.

Yet, appreciate your input, since I did my utter best to stay away from this drama for the sake of my sanity....

Well, jokes and trash talk aside, they are still a decently competitive region... IMO, establishing a dynasty today is pretty difficult to achieve and all that is expected of top region teams is to remain competitive, etc.
On the other hand, maintaining that competitive equilibrium is better for us spectators in terms of overall game interest... more competitiveness, fewer boring games <3

Following on my reply: #22

I would like to ask, if there any LAW or bordering - jurisprudence students or professionals in the forum who can explain the meaning of the terms DE FACTO/DE JURO to some "clever" kids on here, and how they may shape legislations in the real world, once and for all? It appears that WIKIPEDIA, which is completely insufficient as a source for any form of academic work, has grown prevalent in those completely deluded minds on which they claim to build their so called BASED arguments --> Nothing f-ing BASED here!

Like, Jeeeee ... will there be an end to all of this ... IJUSTcan't

"ex USSR countries are CIS": FALSE

"Ukraine is part of CIS": FALSE

Discussing the above quotes further down...

There's this @UvuvwevwevweOnyetenyevwe person who also argues UA is not CIS... but there's a reasonable answer for those young and immature minds that can't even wipe their own ass, let alone discuss international affairs —> https://www.vlr.gg/post/1751458/navi

A country is not automatically disqualified from discussion of CIS status, if it does not sign the ratification. De facto, Ukraine has consistently participated in all of CIS summits, and for this same reason, BACK DATED OR NOT, it is regarded as belonging to the CIS, even if the ratification has not yet been signed... To be more precise, an observer status of Ukraine ties it to CIS ;)

Ukraine is just another CIS country like any others... similar to Latvia, Lithuania, Georgia and Estonia ... PERIOD

So I have to f-ing wonder here... why on f-ing earth do we have to dig into international affairs without taking into account RIOT's own method of defining regions...

WE'RE PLAYING A RIOT's GAME! CHILL DA-EF DOWN, KID!

You just stated Furia's failure to make mid-round decisions and respond to their opponents' couner-plays... WHAT DO YOU MEAN WHEN YOU DRAW THE VICTIM-BIASED CARD????

Don't you understand how the game is supposed to be played? —>> GG, kiddo!

No pre-match trash talks ... no pathetic coping ... no premature deadbrainization ... no f-ing bs ---> JUST FACTS!

FNC 2 - 0 ---> Let it sink deep ;)

At the very least, could you maybe STFU already... LOL talking out of your ass like it's some kind of celebration.

HERE dumbo, especially for your slow brain and those who think 31 is almost 40, print the below dates on your forehead so that every morning you will recall the correct age of said IGLs in the game:

• Dephh: Dec-23-91 (age 31)
• FNS: Mar-19-92 (age 30)
• Ange1: Sep-10-89 (age 33)
• JessieVash: Feb-21-90 (age 33)

inb4: Oh, what... you're not happy with such suggestion???

THEN get LOST, kid!

Nah, that would be a bit too extreme... Healthy or not, discussions are beneficial and they do give rise to new ideas, etc... it's only that there are times when we could be more mature and suggest options in accordance with reality rather than otherwise.

Bruvvv...

Never mind, you just touched a highly delicate subject... all that could be stated is that while judging a player, maybe try to be a bit more objective. If you had not included the phrase "please drop," all questions would have been dropped. I mean, Dephh just played his first official game with the team, but some severely criticising him already... yet still and without any doubt, everyone is entitled to their opinion, no matter how absurd or insightful they may sound.

In terms of your question, Shahz will never return to SEN owing to a conflict with CEO Bob Moore... Valyn was in contract with the Guard at the time...Zander and Rossy also were taken.

And please don't forget about the original SEN-XSET deal that brought in Dephh, Zekken, and SyykoNT from the ex-XSET roster to SEN. Perhaps the conditions of this deal were agreed upon and weighted according to favourable feedback from the industry – no surprise here, as XSET received a lot of great praise at the time for very much deserved reasons.

Aye, who cars ... also it's only $500k prize pool money ... not e.v.e...n ... wait, whaaaat???**

$500,000 USD = mickey mouse status???

People who call this MICKEY MOUSE TOURNAMENT must be seriously SICK (pun intended) and completely NUTS on their heads!

or

Absolutely, and this is the exact message I'm trying to express here. Too many dimensions were being neglected in the analysis by the OP, yet they appeal to such harsh meassures based on not even the half-assed anlysis to decide the impact of the said player... PERIOD.

Though, please disregard my double meaning and "being a dick" approach. All is done in a good cause <3