Do you even understand what you said in your thread post above?

• No, top 5 EMEA vs. top 5 Americas would never be a completely even outcome!

• No, Levitan and c9 would not easily compete with any EMEA team. We need to consider all time up to today... Levitan has not shown such competitive advantage as, with all due respect, THEY HAVE LOST to Navi (old FPX) on all previous occasions, as well as part of Americas-LATAM has never won a map from that Navi (old FPX) which...

= Not an easy competition vs. any EMEA team. Navi - EMEA is also in your "ANY" group.... Like HOLY F**K, You're hardly the brightest of the bunch, are you?

Why are you rushing with conclusions?

Also, given that LATAM has never before defeated Navi (old FPX), how can you claim that Levitan can compete with any EMEA team other than Fnatic?

Bro, gaps in your take... it takes a couple of minutes to check. Seriously why rushing... let it play out as KanyeAsada suggested in post #3.

Agree, in terms of STREAMING : PRAC hours per day... Fnatic would have been no match for SEN!!

Ranking is irrelevant atm.

Outstanding payer!

In losing duels, Ange1 has never reached 95%... In his most recent game, he won around 40% of his duels while losing the other 60%.

Where do you get those numbers?

I'd say he's frequently out call himself as in overcomplicating things rather than being plainly out called by someone.

Below is a very limited, by its nature, table... Because we have yet to reach a significant number of rounds played throughout the event, none of their data can be deemed DESCRIPTIVE at this time - I believe it's self explanatory. We can only refer to it as a quick glance. - and a pretty naive one.

Name          R     ACS  ADR  K:D  KAST KPR   APR   FKPR  FDPR  HS%
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Aspas         1.19  257  174  1.2  76%  0.9   0.31  0.21  0.12  24%
Derke         1.11  229  154  1.27 65%  0.89  0.08  0.19  0.24  27%
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Event's AVG   1     200  130  1    70%  0.69  0.29  0.01  0.1   26%

So, despite the fact that Aspas has played twice as many rounds as Derke, both are outperforming the event's average (also quite unreliable stats atm, but...) Aspas has been performing marginally better than Derke - not considered a conclusive observation ofc... simply a brief assessment within the quick glance.

What else can we attempt at this point? We may monitor a couple of things, including their FKPR to see how it compares to their overall averages, per each event, or both - be it stacked with other ratios or not. FKPR is always worth looking at as both players in question are playing duellist agents as their mains. In the very least, for example, we might compare how they started the event on average to their past events stats and try to establish their +/- (which would also require assessing the strength of their past and current opponents first).

Quite a lot and a lot of work, I'd say... which would also require a good familiarity with their style of play, including watching their VODS ofc etc <-- this could be skipped as we all watch live casts ... cough ... cough... aren't we?

We could more or less say: if one wants to determine who is a better player, from where both stand today, given their previous data, the TROPHY will be a fair deciding factor (at least to me), as without wasting our time on counting hair, it's unreasonable to tell them MUCH apart - IMHO. And then even a winning trophy would not put them much apart IMHO... Both are great players!

P.S. ALSO, things can be viewed differently depending on our point of view (methods)

Aye, good examples... pretty much being creative > brain dead in TRASH talk is always amusing - not vice versa.

Nah, it's all good... I too like to see some teasing in-game similar to what Rokun said in #6 - and with some end to it... but, I'm seeing more of an EGO drag, than some real trash talk, as if folks can't control their trash talk game and seem fairly desperate to pop out or something.

BEFORE YOU WERE EVEN BORN

Spot on about attention deprivation, insecurities, and weird entertainment preferences of viewers... These are most likely the main causes of such urges - to be seen as a "rebel" or something when, in reality, are nothing more than laughable and pathetic behaviour, though problematic in the long run.

Holyyy

You massively undervalue the concept - RIVALRY. TRASH TALK, if not managed or prevented at the right time, can develop into brutal violence in the blink of an eye --- not that we've seen any yet in or outside the game... and the effect would typically snowball over a time... but, someone/somewhere could be seriously injured one day.
That's why there's sportsmanship-like behaviour in place, as game creators-league organisers, teams carry some responsibility of their fans (in a way), as they too must to comply with certain regulations - they strive to avoid any unnecessary confrontations (in preventive measures way), since such escalations might lead rather far, I'd say.

QUIT IT --> you're not fun 🦄

"you doesn't have to brain to dead kid" - that your best come back ... why you even trying, at this point?

YOU F-UP, kid even without realising it... no bueno, cabrón <-- Please pardon me for my terrible language, as it appears you still don't get it ... ffs, kiddo.

You have a lot to learn!!! and I mean --> A LOT, my poor child 😂😂😂😂😂

GOT YOU!!! 😂

https://www.vlr.gg/post/2663244/derke

What is the matter --> already experience shaking hands syndrome or brain short circuit?

ADMIT or zip it up!

hahahaha... my poor child, you have a lot to learn!!!

I mean --> A LOT, my poor child 😂😂😂😂😂

P.S. At least edit the message as you contradict yourself --> YOU REPLIED TO OP here!

fanboi of your MUM 😘😂

OR rather he's clapping you 😘 ... tell me them feels later, piho

Already touched your dead brain --- enough for the day

Back to my pocket, kid - don't be shy 🦄

Ohh, forgot to ANOUNCE you that your DAD is applauding me ;-) Keep sucking, kid

And what is your point? Is that an official FNC statement or your malnourished brain's fantasy?

No you didn't BISHHHH

And by the way, YOUR mom over my meds any day... any day, kiddo 😘

No, you haven't, if you're willing to comment low on one of Valorant's best players EVER and influence to other pro players! What, you don't agree? Then go ask any pro in the game... Please save me some laughter, kid. -------> You must give DERKE CREDIT for what he deserves and for his hard work. PERIOD!

Besides, it's not cool to dismiss any player without supporting evidence! I believe you've seen FNC games, but I don't see it in your words --> brain dead takes, and with all due respect... I haven't seen you around since FNC acquired SUMN FC. I have doubts!

If only your poor brain could keep up with your mouth sprinting all over the place... How long have you been watching DERKE play, and where were you during FNATIC acquired him? Have you watched CrowCrowd vs. Forze final, or for that matter any of his pre-Fnatic games? LMAO

KID, GTFO ... seriously, even if bait --> not good enough for 0/8

Come on, you've been here for a while.

That "whzy: You're goddamn right" response reminded me of the closure line of Limp Bizkit's "Love The Hate."

ME: Mom, they claim FNS is the best IGL in the game history, and CHET is the greatest coach in the game history...

They were meant to, at least, counter the JUDGE, but they were nowhere to be found with their so "brilliant" mid-game-round calls, like OMG!

MOM: Son, don't listen to everything they have to say as they are *BIASED as FCK**!

ME: But I trusted them, and thought everyone knew what they were talking about 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

MOM: Son, welcome to VLR! 🦄

Can't see that far, but I'm still waiting for those FNS's MID-game and MID-round calls that everyone have SO talked about ... they're not getting through for some reason. I wonder....

Aye, exactly as one of those r/SoyOnlyWay evangelists who'd typically jump out of the nowhere in front of those filthy soy sceptics and nicotine addicts. Soy is too damn STRONG in their veins... toooo holyyy strong, I mean.

Speaking of addicts ... cough ... cough <-- I won't go there as too brutal, kid... but

LMAO did I hear "nicotine addiction" 😂 ... pls tell us more about your SOY ADDICTION struggles! Humour me, kid....

Fentanyl

Actually, your dad's alt ;-)

Watching you, kid 😘

Here, my brainDeaD child, reveal your beautifully huge ass forehead, so I could tattoo the below. What a poor kid LMAO

I (Zerphyr1) profoundly repent for my inappropriate behaviour on VLR, which was triggered by the constant inundation of BASED claims. My emotions became overwhelming, and I now seek to convey my utterly genuine admiration for all VLR members. You all have been my true mentors in life, and I genuinely regret the L posts I have shared in the past.

It's ok... you don't have to be sorry - you've done nothing to be sorry imho

And what is this SIR shit? Drop it, geee... kinda cringe ... like no troll here

What, brain damaged? I can fix that 👌🚛

buzz off, kid 🦄

Nah, It almost equal for any fans and their teams on here... fans do have wrong takes all the time.

What's not an apology, however, is that by SHITTING on NAVI, no one actually has gone above their way on mentioning how good DRX really played... and I mean it, as DRX have managed to bring the all time score vs OLDFPX-NAVI to 4-1 in their favour. So, why everyone underestimate DRX and talks about NAVI?

Instead of discussing the amazing DRX's performance today, instead many chose to shit talk NAVI, which tells me that all those "fans" ARE NOT ANY BETTER, and in many cases are FAR WORSE than those who you seek to judge in this thread.... yes yes, think about it ;-)

🍿🍿🍿🍿🍿

Ange1 has a 13% chance of dying first.

So far, the likelihood of Buzz dying first is 21% -- current TOP1 ;-)

P.S. If simply hating on Ange1, no probs but people need to stop bringing up AIM or FDPR stuff without defining what is AIM, or how FDPR affects Navi strats and why Ange1 playmaking... Holyyy pundits ... Both aim and FDPR, Ange1 is solid.

There was a good reply that Ange1 lands in risky situations... Well, there is a perfect explanation for that in regards to cNed's pace. nuff said LMAO

HolyF

Absolutely agree... with all due respect and sportsmanship to T1 and Fut teams and their respective regions... FUTBOLIST has never been regarded as the weakest team! Neglecting Turkish teams within EMEA, let alone EMEA itself is nothing more but a disgusting behaviour... yet they will tell you that it was all a "harmless" bait ;)

Dude, really ... just like that you didn't know that?

K🍿

No way you're angry, just like that. Wasn't lecturing you there at all, just going through some points to think about. That's all there is to it. As I previously stated, the topic may get rather intricate, so a little rigour won't hurt - never. Also, someone else may come across it in the future and it may help them with their questions - who knows?

The bit, "Avoid dragging numbers by their ears in your favour, bruh ... not going to get you anywhere" was not meant to slap you off your high horse or anyone in that matter, but raising a major issue - no matter how well educated one is, they will always struggle with the rigour of their research... no matter how deep they delve. GD

"I understand that. I'm not trying to determine the best player, I'm not trying to derive anything other than "why he found success". I understand the factors, I'm not 12 years old. You don't have to explain statistics for me. Get off my dick, respectfully."

Edit --> Probably coming off as a massive dick with the above ... but guilty as charged - kind of low ;)

You verbalise everything you do on the map during the match, but not everything goes into the mic ofc ... You simply speak it as though someone were sitting next to you... This way you will find gaps and solutions... Then you will learn to filter and be perfect at it. It's natural ;) Though the first part is tedious asf, but if you're having trouble with communications, that's what will help you.

It's unreliable to assess a professional based on one game... Extremely untrustworthy! You will not see that, regardless of the sport discipline or anything other than a terrific game of that professional.

Edit: Yes, you can locate an outlier and study it as well as any other outlier occurrences, but not from this single game of 48 rounds because it is not a reliable sample. Yes, there are ways for doing so in practise; but, significant data is required to even begin researching. An acceptable data set is one that adheres to similar conditions, thus consider 10 (the more, the better) GENG vs. LOUD games on same maps with the same players on both teams. That would be somewhat close to the terms! But there's no data on that, isn't there? Therefore we could just conclude that it was just a good game for the player (k1ng). And we're not talking about same strats of k1ng's opponent that also need to adhere as conditions! You can see where this is headed.

And of course, don't forget that a game is, at its heart, a succession of probable events that could be influenced in the favour of one team = a win and vice versa. At times, the game may be as chaotic or as grindy as you like depending on how well the opponent prepared. And here is when luck comes into play. If a team is unstudied or unknown, the opponent will often struggle to interpret their moves until they finally lock them up and begin counterplaying - this monitoring is continual during the game (I'm sure you already knew that). So, during pockets of unknown/unread times, players can improvise and, as a result of their skill in place, obtain some good number of surprise kills = LUCK. This is not a comprehensive explanation and pretty naive imho, but it's an attempt to touch a topic that is quite massive.

Avoid dragging numbers by their ears in your favour, bruh ... not going to get you anywhere.

In a very least, you could make separate groups of rounds played, say, up 50 rounds, up to 100 rounds, and so on... and then fill in players with the highest rating... if you're comparing... and I too agree that in a tournament that went up to 380 rounds, K1ng's 48 rounds is not reliable, though it still paints some picture but very sketchy.

This!

If you've never seen Cl0ud play, his prior 90 days won't help you paint the whole picture... if you have (and you should have), you'd look beyond 90d data. You'd typically divide the data from all tournaments/qualifiers he'd competed in into periods where you'd generally examine overall averages of those events to determine some standards/threshold and then compare them to Cl0ud's numbers.

The task is very simple, either using API or through simple copy/paste. If you choose to copy/paste, then one of Chrome's extensions - Table Capture (I'm not affiliated with them) - would come in very helpful.

Best wishes.

P.S. And please for the love of GOD, don't rush with your conclusions before studying them thoroughly ;) Rushed conclusions are also known as Bullshit.

You're too loose on the check ... I do on occasions check Twitch's top streamers earnings ... but I wanted to separate Twitch and professional Valorant with all the respect to the community - these should not be mixed together. PERIOD