It can matter a lot depending on other results.
Especially the map differential.
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It can matter a lot depending on other results.
Especially the map differential.
Well in 2023, saadhak and less rotated between viper or kj duty depending on the map.
We don't actually know why Saadhak decided to push towards these sentinel-less comps.
You could easily argue that it was in reaction to the map pool and how retake heavy the meta was becoming.
QCK has not been good enough but neither has the rest of Loud.
Also, dgzin? really.
Loud's issues are deeper than just QCK.
Although having aspas would help paper over the cracks.
I wouldn't be surprised if they increased its cost by 1.
Currently it's very easy, especially on attack side, to farm multiple ults per half and a ult for the bonus round.
Gekko's kit literally incentives teams to let gekko plant/defuse (wingman).
An ultimate on the bonus round, if correctly used, can really snowball in a larger lead.
A few teams have already created gameplans around farming orbs + plants to create this ult advantage for the bonus round.
Liquid would be more of a "undercook" , like the roster is just TL + apeks core.
An overcooked roster would be T1.
The calibre and frequency of top talent is still lower than last year, i'm not denying that there isn't talent in turkey.
Ruxic + hiro have been the most interesting ones in my opinion.
Xeus aswell considering it's his debut t2 season.
Sociablee is interesting as a fragging IGL but i'm waiting to see what he can do at ascension.
Definitely the league with the most mechanical players.
It does lack good igls + mental though.
I do think this years "graduates" aren't as good as last year (wo0t/riens/reazy/y2j/elite).
The talent pool for last year for ridiculous.
Sentinels were the best team in the world at the point in time, so no.
yeah probably wo0t or governor.
okay holy shit wo0t
What it does show is how good heretics' trading & spacing is.
3 first deaths from miniboo which were insta traded.
The rest of the rounds miniboo successfully won the first duel.
The heretics firepower is just too much for liquid to handle.
Half the atk rounds have just been a carbon copy with heretics just out trading and out aiming
heretics probably haven't even opened their strat book yet.
Heres a mirror match up of the astra variant of the comp back in September 2021. (astra was strong back then)
https://www.vlr.gg/39200/oddik-vs-galaxy-carrots-chroma-cup-9-main-event-ro16/?map=1
Do you notice anyone familiar in that game?
A lot of the consensus is that Loud (saadhak) pioneered the standard comp especially a lot of the strats behind it.
It's awkward with chamber, in the way that all the duelists players transitioned to the agent in 2022 with most of them now transitioning back.
Its kinda like how viper is often lumped in with sentinel agents because of how her kit is utilised.
Saw someone else post one , so I decided to make one which was ordered.
The year indicates their peak, if no year listed then assume it's their whole career.
Duelist:
HM: Cned (2021) , Cryo (2022), Zekken (2024), Jinggg
Controller:
HM: Sscary (2022) , Tuyz (2024)
Sentinel:
HM: Daveeys (2023) , dapr (2021)
Initiator:
HM: stax (2022)
Flex:
HM: kiNgg
Furia probably have mwzera on that vegan diet
he would've dropped 30 if he had a nice juicy steak before the match
Also something that is positive to note is that when they have been pushed they havent been afraid to change things.
Like on sunset, where they changed compositions after onlyfins pushed them to OT.
Simply dominance from apeks, winning polaris without dropping a map.
The individual level of the roster is remarkable, it feels like every round is somehow winnable regardless of the buy.
Similarly to last year, can't wait to see how this team performs at ascension.
Props to Sns though, they've been a pretty good team throughout the split.
Hopefully a good org picks them up, it would be nice to see how good they could become with some support.
It's been a good split for the region, hopefully things keep going up from here.
He should be happy that he tried to chase his goals/dreams even if he doesn't deem it as a success.
What he had achieved though is still a great achievement, being able to say you've competed at the top level infront of a crowd is no small feat.
Some people live their lives regretting that they never tried.
There is quite the pressure especially at that age to keep making the correct steps forwards, in terms of getting a job/career and progressing in life.
You can feel stagnated especially if the people around you are advancing.
He is still very young though and career paths are not linear.
I hope that he continues to find joy in his new coding adventure.
I've been pretty vocal about how important looking at deeper stats like traded-first deaths and true-first kills can be when looking at the value of duelists players and their entries.
Idk i just made this thread because I saw a lot of people/threads/tweets equating first deaths == bad player.
Zekken normally boasts a positive first kill win rate , so i havent seen his stat lines been brought up as much as this demon1 game.
First death is a good stat line but it requires more context to be useful.
Of course demon1 will have very high first involvements (first kill + first deaths) because he is the duelist player.
His role of nrg has been to go in first and make space.
Now the real question is how the rest of the team is capitalising on the space.
Is his first deaths getting traded? So maybe his first deaths arent as bad.
Or maybe his entry pathing is unsuccessful, perhaps he requires some more util/info to aid him.
In the context of the nrg game, a lot of Demon1's first deaths were pretty negative with Leviatan having very strong defensive reads/setups that negated his ability to make space.
NRG did plant the spike 5x on sunset, but the man advantages being created by Leviatan create extreme advantages especially with sunset being so retake heavy.
All time:
Right now:
This is a mismatch.
Lev shooting harder.
Better util.
Better macro.
better comps.
It's kinda crazy that JDG might be the biggest flop in vct this year.
What was a top 2 roster in china, dropped their igl due to roster restrictions and are now winless.
I don't watch all of the APAC games but whenever I watch TS (normally versus a top team) they always seem well drilled.
Warbirds and co always have good strategic depth, with a nice use of setplays, good macro and a understanding of what the opponent wants to do.
Invy has always stood out to me as a top initiator in the region.
So.. how come Team Secret always has a middling (still above 50%) win record.
Last year, I felt the same (except the firepower was slightly lower) and they were still the 5th best team in the region.
What is preventing TS from playing at international events?
yeah for sure. Development isn't linear though, playing T2 at the age is still a good achievement.
The czech duo in GoNext is super strong, GoNext have yet to lose a game with Alexiiik.
EMEA next generation is looking stacked:
This is just a few of the players, 18 or younger, playing in t2 rn.
Hello.
could i get an update. please.
thanks.
Dplus ... in ascension they were playing so slow that it made emea valorant look fast.
Chronicle.
He's peaked way higher.
For some reason people think he's not that flexible just because fnatic had very structured/fixed compositions last year.
Gamechangers event where each team is required to play 3 duelist....
It's being held in London from the 20th to the 21st.
Surprised barbarr hadn't broken a desk yet watching that defense side.
I haven't seen Koi shoot this hard since that Navi game in 2023.
its a #swerlyworld
Kaajak or Akai for me.
Really hope a T1 org picks up Akai, has a super high ceiling.
Round 3 sums up the issues with M8.
They managed to turn what was a potential bonus round conversion into an absolute calamity.
They wouldn't have ascended if they didn't play this style of valorant, very "in your face" and allows for individual play making.
However, the style crumbles against the top teams.
It's a lack of leaders.
Always had the mechanical talents Brazil just lacks the conductor who could make the pieces work in tandem.
(correct me if im wrong but Brazil didnt have as many igls switch over compared to the likes of NA).
I think you are getting Zikz confused with zecK.
different people, similar names both coached in the EG setups but had different roles.
https://twitter.com/EvilGeniuses/status/1593333165896122370
https://twitter.com/EvilGeniuses/status/1655996061251403797
I believe.
He can definitely perform better than what he is doing right now, hopefully he can show it soon.
Doesn't exactly help that there is a constant cloud of negativity over GE, regardless of what happens.
Needs some more consistency in his OPing (also some positioning issues), his rifling has looked good enough.
Very unfortunate, especially with how limited T1 opportunities can be in LATAM (or just franchising in general).
There's still a lot that you can gain from being in and around a tier 1 team but hopefully he gets his time to shine soon.
It's currently looking like a very astute pickup.
He's slotted in well and has helped to raise the firepower of the roster.
Not exactly sure about the details that led to his "falling out" at mibr/bzka but hopefully his time at KRU continues going smoothly.
KRU have a very nice run of games furia (2-1), Mibr and then EG which provides the team a launchpad to gain confidence for the tougher fixtures.
Keznit-shyy-heat trio is incredibly underrated, shyy in particular with him being a top anchor in the americas.
Atom aswell is someone who gets overlooked, despite how well he did last year.
Breaking into the Americas' top 4 is tough though, its going to require another lcq-esque run to get to an international event.
Probably good to end it there then considering I have constantly mentioned points which go in one ear and out the other.
It's obvious to see the likes of harbor/astra are in a healthy spot when looking at their stats in a pro play scenarios or actually just understanding that their kits require teamwork and macro usage but you are so focused about me bringing up ranked stats because I was trying to emphasise the fact Iso is not a successful ranked agent. Which I literally mentioned when you used the strawman argument for Kay/o.
The basis of the argument is that iso kit has not translated well for either Pro Play or in Ranked.
but you are adamant that he is in a good spot for solo q.
Somewhat but if you look at the trend in free fire viewership, free fire has fallen down.
I dont know enough about freefire so maybe there is some reasonings behind it.
League on the other hand has has some sought of growth over the past few years, with viewership constantly building upon itself.
It's actually ridiculous how big LoL is.
The gap between LoL and the next biggest PC esport is a canyon.
It still has its problems in some region (vietnam aware) but the growth in LEC and LCK this year is crazy.
Chinese viewership isnt available to the general public.
Everyone just goes uses the escharts reported figures, its easier for comparisons etc.
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