Heya. Just wanted to know if SPG still don't look as good as BOOM or RID like you said? =)

SPG won, but their executes, planning/timings, trap setups, etc looked off
SPG looked terrible vs local competition
SPG in my books still doesnt look as good as FS, BOOM or riddle.

Do they still not look as good as BOOM?

most fraudulent signings ever I feel. Governor's Neon is not better than JohnOlsen's and Ban is okay at best...even though I had higher hopes given his performance in NA.

But again my original comment wasn't directed towards you at all and my comments about them bring overhyped by downplaying other teams has been directed towards people who were doing that

You said PRX would win easily. I disagreed. Where's the overreaction?

Also don't get this heated for a random t2 kr team. Show this much passion for eu or vitality.

I don't see you getting hyped for any team that isn't from APAC or CN? Are you perhaps a CN person in SEA? I supported Vitality's run to Champs, because I'm a big fan of Sayf. My flag and flair is because of Twisten. I wanted to honour his passing in my own little way out of respect.
Is it bad for me to believe a team that influenced so much of Tier 1 meta comps deserves the respect that tier 1 coaches and teams are giving them? Does that make me Korean?
I can easily turn that argument on its head and say you're CN/SEAsian and you don't like the idea of KR doing well given that you've been disrespecting GENG's achievements and your earliest posts have been saying CN is better than Korea at eSports and all that as well. But obviously that may not be the case and it'd be very rude and disrespectful of me. So I won't. Calm down bruh. I think SPG are a good team. That's it. Idk why I have to be Korean to believe that.

Also your comments indeed look like you are overrating them a little

Sounds like you're just acting emotionally. I gave you the facts.
They farmed Heretics in scrims. Tier 1 teams stole their comps.
That's all I said. Did I say they'd beat PRX? No. Did I say they'd win Ascension? No.
I only said they can hold their own against one of the best mechanical teams in the world, and they appear to have an understanding of the game that tier 1 teams like Fnatic respect enough to steal their comps.
Please tell me where I'm wrong in this assessment or where I overrated SPG in it. And calm down. You keep acting like I'm calling them the best Valorant team of all time or something.

Yeah mechanically scrims can show how good the team is but again there have been many examples like geng in scrims but exact opposite of geng performance in actual event.

....?
When lol? GENG were monsters and scrims and for the most part were monsters in officials? They made every grand final except one for the entire year. They are mechanical monsters as well, I think Boaster was saying GENG were the only team shooting back when they scrimmed them for Madrid. Scrimwise and officials-wise, they were mechanically insane.
A lot of things don't carry over from scrims, but if a team is consistently doing well mechanically they'll likely be just as good in officials. You can't have good aim in practice and have bad aim in officials the same way you can have good ideas that don't work out.

Don't know what's so hard to understand about this.

You need to calm down a bit and not get heated like this.

Sounds like you're more upset than I am considering you're just not getting what I'm saying, and I've repeated myself 3 different ways. I'd say I'm being way more patient and reasonable than you. I think you should take a breath and reread our entire conversation.

he won LCQ 2021 and made Champs.
At the time his rifling was insane but his oping left a lot to be desired.
Pretty talented player but to be honest I feel like during the past few years there were better Thai talent. garnetS and Surf proved their mettle against international competition when JohnOlsen couldn't.
He's had this level of performance last year as well, but couldn't make it. Interested to see how he does this year.

I'd like to know where I overhyped them or downplayed other teams?

Who won Madrid in a 3-2 vs a team assembled 2 months prior? The same team that dominantly won through upper bracket and mostly lost because they ran out of energy in their first ever BO5? Don't be intellectually dishonest. You know the point I'm making and you're just acting stupid. Clearly scrims can be just as good of an indicator of a good team as not. And at the bare minimum it's inarguable that a team won't just play worse mechanically because it's a scrim. At the bare minimum if a team of aimers is getting FARMED in scrims then the other team has impressive mechanics of their own.

I still think any top 3 team from any region will win against spg from what they have shown so far.

Fucking obviously lol

Also that's not overrating when prx even in their low have shown what they are capable of

And what they're incapable of. Let's be real. PRX are just as likely to make bad mistakes that cost them games as much as insane plays that win them ones. You're just focusing on the latter over the former. Once again, I'm not saying PRX will lose. I think it's obvious a tier 1 team like PRX would win against an inexperienced team like SPG. But I don't necessarily think it'll be easy.

Also scrims are always a very different thing. Like edg were getting destroyed in champs scrims but we saw what happened in actual matchups.

Sure, and GENG were undefeated in scrims at Madrid. And although GENG barely scrimmed at Shanghai I'm pretty sure they did well there too.

Dplus Lakia and Solo ended up winning the first ever trophy for Asia this year instead :)

Meanwhile Ascension winners BLEED did....?

It's not overrating them to state facts. Neil said SPG farmed Heretics in scrims. At the bare minimum, it means they have the mechanics to contend with the 2nd place team at Champs and 2nd best team of 2024.
Which is impressive. They also obviously have enough conceptual knowledge to create comps that are taken by tier 1 teams like Fnatic. Which is also impressive.

I didn't say they'd easily beat Heretics or GENG or PRX or whatever. I just stated the facts.

You're the one who said PRX will "easily" win. Which might not be true. I think sure PRX will win but I'm not underrating or overrating any team by saying it'd be "easy". The only one doing any kind of overrating is you.

Considering Neil literally said SPG farmed Heretics in scrims then at the bare minimum they have the level of mechanics to contend with them. Teams aren't going to somehow "aim less" just because it's a scrim lol. And Heretics are one of the most mechanically talented teams in the world?

And like I said, mechanics aren't enough but they obviously have enough knowledge of the game that tier 1 teams like Fnatic are copying their comps.

literally their first game on stage at an international LAN? Then they went 26-8??

Sure, but mechanical skill is mechanical skill. You think a highly mechanically gifted team like Heretics just doesn't shoot back because it's practice?

Go look at SPG's comps and tell me why Fnatic stole their Haven comp, or why Trace beat Leviatan with their Bind comp.

These guys obviously know what they're doing.

Except according to Neilzinho SPG were farming teams like Heretics in scrims.

Still don't look as good as Riddle?

they started off 7-0 in their first ever international LAN matchup and then went 26-8...

and imo they looked good while doing it. yeah revenant aren't the best team but SPG looked good. Icebox is SPG's permaban btw. they've never played icebox ever until now.

Interested if your opinion has changed?

Aspas did not do shit 2023
Derke then Demon1 then Jinggg

well it's not like DRX have any short supply of talent either.

The fact of the matter is that there's too much KR tier 2 talent and not enough teams to house them
even if T1 were to pick up talents like Zest, Stew, etc. there'd still be players left over.

that's not true lol
free1ng was the best sentinel/top 2 minimum during vck
udotan was an insane player when he played for sdc last year and his vlr stats are impressive to boot

tbf geng was the best team of 2024 and drx was 2nd in pacific split 2 so you're probably expecting too much lol

i think spg's vision of the game is pretty on point. fnatic didnt copy their haven comp and go undefeated with it for nothing

Didn't SPG go undefeated ors omething

meteor does tho

honestly this is lowkey a big compliment towards geng so im okay with this take

good thing they beat every americas team to get to it then

just saying heretics took more maps off geng than 100t lev and g2 combined

his utility is elite but if they can find someone even remotely close to Leo in terms of fragging ability and util usage they would be an upgrade over Lakia.

His util is about the only thing he's good for and on Skye maps he struggles so hard.

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ok but #8 is not relevant to what im saying. im not replying to #8 im replying to #7

I didn't rate TH over FNC heading into the event, but after the first round of matches I did. FNC are not a top 5 team at the event.

geng g2 lev drx th

where is drx's trophy?

(i want drx to win champs)

the playoff buff helps some teams and not others, there's an argument that FPX's run in groups helped them fix their mistakes early on, whereas a playoff spot could have meant they wouldn't have time to fix their mistakes.
Don't forget that more often than not, a playoff bye was detrimental to the team.

Meteor exists

Honestly BuZz got 2 or 3 to open the game, so it makes sense he'd be feeling himself. The other 4 played it horribly though

LMFAO

idk nobody knows how that tournament could have turned out though. if LOUD didnt attend copenhagen then we could have assumed that they'd have won copenhagen as well instead of getting grouped

moreover there's nothing to say fpx would have won copenhagen had they participated in reykjavik because so many things change

why is FPX 1st-3rd for Reykjavik...?

sulkyfetish can be quite annoying

thanks for triggering my ptsd

edited my reply w additional info!

Yes of course it wasn't close PRX were playing with a Gekko onetrick streamer instead of the best player in Pacific lol.

TL EDG NRG EG were competitive but so was TH G2 100T and arguably FPX.

Also I edited my comment above for clarification.

I think LOUD could have beaten that FNC had they not slumped, considering they almost beat them at LOCKIN and then beat them at Champs.
DRX and NAVI I agree.
But also no team was gonna beat GEN.G at Shanghai except maybe FNC, so the same rule applies - there was maybe only 1 team at each event that could have beaten the winner.

FNC didn't exactly fall off, they had just won EMEA.

DRG FUT T1 are bad 100%.
Likewise ASE FUT T1 were bad at Tokyo as well.

If you're saying TL was good at Tokyo then PRX was also good at Shanghai considering they almost beat 100T to make top 4 and they had also beaten GEN.G heading into the tournament.

Also FNC had the advantage of starting in playoffs instead of groups at Tokyo, though obviously they would have made it past groups there's a possibility they lose a map or two.

I mean in the end I agree FNC Tokyo was more dominant than GEN.G Shanghai but I just don't see why Shanghai is so much lower than Tokyo considering the circumstances were almost the same.

tbf PRX also had a sub for Tokyo, DRX and LOUD were at their lowest points, and TL made the event. I think it's disingenuous to mark such a stark difference between Tokyo and Shanghai tbh.

TH at Shanghai may have had a sub but it wasn't for their best player, unlike PRX. And PRX were the dominant #1 Asian team too.

Not saying FNC weren't dominant but I think the reasons you pointed out for why GEN.G isn't higher can easily be applied to FNC.

I think they're including the level of the gameplay and competition when talking about prime, otherwise SEN and FNC tokyo would be 1 and 2.

Stax smokes
KK, Smoggy, Haodong, Nobody smokes
Munchkin smokes too I think not sure on this one??
f0rsakeN smokes, idr maybe Mindfreak also??

smoking is very common amongst eSports pros as it's a high intensity stressful job and most pros are Asian so smoking is the most convenient way to deal with that stress.

no way she tweeted this

pro players r people too

tone deaf af

yea true, i just really like f0rsakeN and Alecks and mindfreak, etc. the old core

same. they've become kind of unlikeable this year ngl. but obviously id be happy if they win champs nonetheless

this downfall needs to be studied