I mean he's far and away the best Jett Oper and is still very proficient on both fragging and entrying. His champs was weak but in Tokyo he was the best entry player on Jett in the world.
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I mean he's far and away the best Jett Oper and is still very proficient on both fragging and entrying. His champs was weak but in Tokyo he was the best entry player on Jett in the world.
EG v Loud Jett stats at LAN
EG has won 2/3 with a 5 round advantage, EG went 2-0 in those matches
Highest Jett rating in a matchup: Demon1 1.37 Ascent in Tokyo, 1.33 Ascent in Champs
Lowest Jett rating in a matchup: Aspas .64 Ascent in Tokyo
Head to Head duel performance: Demon1 +3
Rating Difference: 1.28 Demon1 to 1.07 for Aspas
Demon1 owns Aspas on LAN and has been the superior Jett since Americas league playoffs started in late May.
Was inspired by the Raze post earlier, I will list a ranking but in general the top 5 is interchangeable.
H.M Sayf and something would be here if we had more sample size, I base pretty much all of my rankings on how good they did at LAN's, and they each missed one and then played good not great in the next. something's Jett against EG was a tier below all of these guys, and Sayf really only had Tokyo to prove himself on Jett. They both destroyed in their regular seasons, though, and are still amazing players. Derke also isn't in this for similar reasons.
I also think if we are rounding this into a top 10 keznit and Fit1nho have to be here. They had elite showings in LCQ on Jett(raze as well) and went to LAN and made some really good plays. Fit1nho was solid when they played EDG in champs when going against KangKang, keznit was 1v9 against PRX on Jett, and they both had a banger when they played on Pearl against each other. I think my top ten is just adding these 5 honorable mentions.
So i've seen this point a lot and not to be a stat Andy but how is that the case? I admit he passes the smoothness eye test, but we're talking about Top 5 in the world. I think the top 5 all equally look smart and smooth on the character, but it's more about how they perform no? At Champs 2022 he was the 7th/10th rated Raze, He had a 5th place ACS and ADR but his K:D and entry success rate where near the bottom. He was good and flashy but not efficient, not to mention his Bind performance against FPX. Then we get into 2023 and even if we ignore lock in he was tied for 4th just in Americas in Rating, behind guys like Victor Asuna and Jaw. That's not to mention the 9 players rated higher in the other two regions. Again it was an efficiency thing. Even if you blame it on the ineptitude of SEN, we can go to LCQ and the story is the same. Keznit way outperformed him overall, and in a win or game home game against LEV he has an abysmal Fracture. Trexx in EMEA was also a step ahead, not just Keznit. So he has always been good, but when has he been top 5 IN THE WORLD? I watch all his games, I root for SEN, so I'm not just giving you blank stats with no context. In 2023 he was behind Trexx, Keznit, Jaw, Jingg, Whyz, Victor, Aspas, Derke, and quite a few more, and in 2022 Champs he wasn't the best, maybe you could sneak him into top 5. I like him a lot, but this is the year where he has to PROVE he is top 5, not just be on lists because he's cracked and well liked. Because so far, especially in win or go home games, he is not even close to that level.
in no order
Derke
Jawgemo
Whzy
Victor
Aspas
Trexx and Keznit are as well in the convo but there teams arent great
The only good team in EU last year started out as Sage Ult My Nan, super serious!
so you don't watch basketball yet made a post about it lmao
Warriors behind Cavs never let these people watch actual sports
That has to be the answer. No matter how the cookie crumbles there's only Jawgemo Leaf and Demon1 left to play duelist for the three teams. Unless somehow Scream or another random import comes in those three will likely occupy those last 3 teams. There's no way one of those three runs out with a corey, babybay or sym.
Caveats: Minimum 200 rounds vs 1600 rating +, excluding GC
Who sticks out? Who do you think is next up? Who's the next unsigned player to get a new team?
How many IGLs would you have taken over Valyn coming into 2023? FNS? Dephh? There's no one else you can argue
How many sova players would you have taken over Trent? Crashies? Maybe BcJ? Again that's still top 3. And them being the same core is the exact reason why it means something. We have literally seen this team be at the top of NA. That's the whole point. They aren't some randoms, this is a core that has been together for 2 years and has been as successful as you can ask.
Keznit Shyy and Melser IGL is a fantastic core, I think a lot of it comes down to MTA on the non duelist role, whether it's main skye/sova/fade or as the second controller.
It's not like this is Gentle Mates. This exact core was the second to third best team in NA the year before. They've swapped duelists twice and been on top both times. Now they're bringing in an even better duelist. We know they can compete at the T1 level, this isn't some random championship run. Valyn and Trent were rated as top 3 in their role heading into 2023. Jawgemo is a world champion who, in most peoples eyes, is the current best Raze player in the world(Victor, Derke do have an argument in my opinion but are still below Jawg). With these guys I don't see how you can rate them anywhere below Sentinels. They should be in everyone's top 4 preseason.
Isn't the unkown quantity the only one who hasn't made major team changes?
No offense to the guy but there's never been one player whos shown so little yet been hyped up so far. I'm fine with people liking his chances to qualify and play in ascension but cmon. It reminds me so much of the Rara stuff from 2020-21. He hasn't even played in a VCT tournament. I don't think he's even played against a T1 team since First Strike. Like ya he's cool, he hits the headshots, he's flashy, but he's never even played in a game that mattered in three years. At least with Demon1 he was new to the scene and his T2 team was winning multiple tourneys with him outplaying many players. These are two very different scenarios. At least let the guy qualify for ascension first.
T1 last year:
s0m, FNS, Runi,Ayrin, ban(rest of the players are either rumored to be signed or signed but not playing games)
Signed T2 last year:
Aproto, Sym,
pwny
mummay, supamen, tigg
shahzam, penny
fiziq
Blackheart, Trick
Exalt
Unsigned but Notable
Hazed, Dicey, Will, Steel, Zexrow, PureVNS, Okeanos, curry, subroza
Any predictions on orgs or teams that could be formed?
I personally would love to see s0m and FNS team up with Penny, Exalt and someone like Tigg. I also am very interested to see where guys like Ayrin, Runi, Ban, Sym and Aproto go as they all were franchise level last year(that could just be a team right there).
Ascent: Sacy, Champs final vs Optic MVP of that match IMO
Bind: Tenz, S2 2021 final vs Fnatic Best Reyna game ever
Breeze: Leaf, 2021 Champs vs Full Sense not much to pick from but he popper
Fracture: Yay, Champs vs Loud group stage Peak Yay performance
Haven: Buzz, 2021 berlin v Acend diffing cNed
Icebox: Derke, S2 2021 vs V1 could have picked many
Lotus: Kang Kang, Tokyo vs Liquid solo win
Pearl: Aspas, Champs semi final vs Paper Rex hard carry
Split: Leo, Copenhagen vs Optic upset
Sunset: Smoggy I guess lol
I don't think they care about being 100T when their regular season was over. It was cool but the best they looked was beating NRG. It put them at 2-1 with the loss being 1-2 against Loud. There was genuine hope back then and JZZ was looking like the next Cauanzin. Then they lost and got killed by LEV the next week and the season was basically over.
my dumbass pressed enter before I was done so had to make an edit lol
Americas:
EG: Champs Win
Loud: First half of Split vs FNC at Lock/In
NRG: Lotus V Paper Rex at Tokyo
KRU: LCQ over Leviatan
C9: Pearl win over NRG in playoffs
LEV: Beating C9 to get to LCQ finals(they thought they were gonna win lol)
SEN: Dominating C9 on fracture in LCQ with Tenz Kayo
Furia: Going 2-0 versus LEV
MIBR: Beating NRG
100T: Starting Lock/In 2-0
Anyone roasting this move is just incorrect. I don't think there is a better controller in EMEA than Mistic, and if he hadn't been playing intiator for FNC at the end of '22 he would've been in franchising. If you're going to have a non-controller IGL(and Enzo is probably the best one) you should be looking for Mistic first and foremost. Hoody and Atakaptan are good as well, but I truly think Mistic is No. 1 unless Shao makes the full switch.
Based on Flyn rumors
NA:
Nismo
Verno(can't anyway)
Zander
Skuba
All 4 are locked in for T2 2024
EU:
DaviH: Could see him on LOUD KC or Koi but unlikely
Fizzy: very unlikely
Unfake: SHOULD be who KOI picks up at IGL now that Redgar is off the market
lowel: I wanna see him in T1 again, he's been one of the best spain league player for two years now, probably no fit though except at KC
APAC:
Juicy: Age
Yesican: Don't know anything apart from him dominating against a few teams(Scarz mainly) in ascension tournament so it would be cool to continue the APAC controller domination
Syouta: DFM how is he not on your team
Exy: signed with DPlus, should be on literally any of the Korean teams he's the second best controller in the country.
If there's no context to anything this paints a bad picture. I'm a huge stats fan (its part of what I do in college) and this is why Valorant stats get a bad rap. Making a claim that Marteen and Tomaszy will be top 3 Jett's because of their rating against Tier 2 and 3 teams is the wrong way to use rating. It's better to group players into brackets and when using T1 players to only show how they played in the regular season. QW1's full year stats look worse than qutioner, but in league play he cleared qutioner. It's only because he played great teams at 2 LAN's. Ardiis, Derke, Sayf, Cned, and QW1 should be in their own brackets together, as we know no matter what the stats say they are probably the top 5 rn
This is not the way to use stats lmfao
They just have to spam as much skye viper as possible. EG wasn't only good because of this, but they were really good because they played perfectly to their players agent pool strengths and even adapted the 'meta' on maps where it didn't work(sova fracture mostly). C9 needs to be able to play skye double smokes as much as possible, as it is such a strength for xeppaa and wippie. Sunset, Breeze, Haven, Lotus, Bind, Split all needs to have that, and just perma ascent. There is no reason Wippie and Xeppaa should ever play another agent. Oxy can play either meta duelist, Jakee plays all controllers but harbor which everyone will have to learn. It mostly comes down to vanity being able to play KJ, Cypher, Breach type agents. Supportive and super low fraggin that fit into these maps.
Derrek was at his best form in 2022 LCQ 100T, he went from cracked potential sova player to clutchest player in NA. He just fell off after that
They put in lakia for 1 map that was already their weak map on an agent who he wasn't known for. The lakia take is lazy he was misused, they always should've had him coming in for sova on a specific map or two.
Guys like Xeta, D4V4I(or whoever u can say for PRX)Melser and Rhyme found success last year as first time or first full time IGLs for their teams. Who are some guys you think would have success doing the same?
Marved tried this past year and might even have to for NRG, still up in the air and despite his goofy personality he does know the game well
Crashies is another one I could definitely see
I'm surprised Starxo and Avova at this point hasn't turned that way
I think a lot of the current Navi/FPX core team would be very good at it
Mistic is someone else I would be interested in
Zest is the big one for me as he was a coach and still isn't the IGL of DRX
Leaf
2ge
Bazzi
Patiphan
LBY
Leaf main duelist
2ge smokes
Patiphan flex
Bazzi sova/fade flex
LBY flash initiator IGL
can't believe I forgot zekken and ur completely right I'd sub him in htere
Basically guys on teams like C9, LEV, KOI, GenG who didn't play at LAN but played awesome
I'll go with
Leaf
Kingg(IGL)
Trexx/NZR
Monyet
Sheydos
HM to Invy cuz that guy is cold but Kingg plays his agents
I'd say the closer team would be FPX/Navi, a team that has won it all and always looks lethal but recently struggled and needed someone to pair with their star(shao/suygetsu). For me it would be like if Leaf went to them instead of Ardiis, Leaf and dame have both been stars for a while on a bad team that they've stayed loyal too since joining.
A lot of it does come down to the fact that he is allowed more excuses because of his brand and the team. He doesn't exactly go under the radar because its tenz but when they're struggling someone else always gets blamed. Apart from a really good showing at the end of the last two years he spent a lot of time being just mediocre for SEN the last two seasons.
PTC pretty easily id say
I mean the team had to get a new coach and HAD to replace taco. There's a core but if Kingg is up for it they're bringing in a new coaching staff and likely playstyle anyway with Aspas. You're gonna have to swap languages anyway but bringing in one more is good because it makes transition easier, they just have to be more of a leader type IMO. I'm more just wondering why they choose Tex, not Leaf/Aproto/an IGL with more experience and will be better.
Honestly FNC is a team filled with Russian + English(IK its different but they are second languages), PRX mixed, NAVI has an IGL in his second language, T1 had a lot of success. It works and is like that in a lot of games, and this is gonna be the major beginning. You see a player like Aspas available, you work around that and become a more flexible team.
Some of them, but some very much have. Zander has never won anything, his best is 6-8 in NA. Ayrin co igled a team that went from not in champs the year before to top 8 at champs the very next. Stellar won NA LCQ. That's something! Runi was the best regular season team in the Americas season, and despite not making LAN they were still very successful. They won a whole lot more games than Zander did. Shaz won a LAN, tho long ago, it literally is something. Mitch and Flyuh have had a lot lot more success. Why spend that much money on an IGL for ur org that has as little track record as zander?
I mean you can nitpick all of these but it's an objective fact that they've done more than Zander has. That's not to say he can never be good as an IGL but these are all more successful players at the position and have actually done it in 2023 and most of 2022. You talk so much about it being T2 so who cares, but Zander has only won anything in T3 soar knights events, he has nothing. There's a reason you're not defending him and are trying to downplay my side, it's because apart from five group stage games he wasn't anything.
Ayrin: Co-igled the 2nd best team in NA, top 8 ITW. Spent the whole year IGLing in franchising
Stellar: qualed for champs through LCQ in 2022, spent the whole year IGLing in franchising
Flyuh: took an FA team to top 3 in T2 NA while being one of the best fragging IGLS
Mitch: Top 4
Shaz: Past accomplishments and G2 was a top 2 team at one point
Zander's V1 was good for 5 total games and that was a year and a half ago, then he himself conceded the igl role because he wasn't confident. No way you're taking a 5 game sample size from early 2022 over what any of these people have done, especially Ayrin and Stellar and Runi who have made it happen at a T1 level.
Zander's peak as an IGL was 5 wins in the group stage of Stage 1 and then choked hard and never did it again because he was uncomfortable. I would take any of Boostio, Ayrin, Stellar, Runi, Flyuh, Poised, Mitch, Shaz over him. All of them have done things, been better than him in the past, and currently IGL. What has Zander actually done as an IGL specifically?
"Needs and IGL"
Zander hasn't IGLed in 18 months
"Needs a smokes player"
Bang is actively contracted
The biggest agent weakness EU has versus NA is the controller role. The only notable ones in EU are IGLs or AtaKaptan, while in NA you can count Pancada because he plays for the team and then you have
Marved
s0m
Jawgemo
Bang
Jakee
Valyn
Zander
Skuba
Thief
Pretty much everyone of these 10 guys would be a top 3 controller in EU(given Shao doesn't make the full switch) or at least be competitive for a spot on any english speaking team, especially since their T2 scene literally only has Mistic as a good controller player for T1 play(maybe DaviH too). My big question is why wouldn't the EU teams go after someone like Zander, who had an ABSURD ascension playoffs. You'd think a team like TL, KOI, or GIA would be knocking on his door to replace their gaps in their roster. Just a little thought but it seems crazy that some of these EU controller players are in the T1 scene when we have to watch Zander in ascension and s0m in CC.
We've never seen Zekken play Raze on the international scale like Victor has. I am a huge huge huge fan of Zekken but people need to slightly chill out with him. He's played in 8 total matches in LAN tournaments(I'm not talking abt americas league) and only has about 120 rounds of Raze on them, where he looked good but not best in the region.
It's pretty ugly but yes that is the best decision atm. At worst he can play Viper and she's going to be the most picked agent in 2024. You add Yay to that team and it isn't too bad, but I really don't think there's much else asides from poachign Demon1 or Jawgemo. I would also prefer Yay to Tex just because I don't think they need someone for Raze when they have the best in NA(alongside Jawgemo its Victor).
I was responding to the guy above saying he's an idiot
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