he had a rough year until stage 2

Oh i guess his rating was so bad against GenG that his overall jett rating was negative for the tournament i think he only played 4 times the whole tournament. we can look at his jett stats from stage 1 to stage 2. He played better on Jett in stage 2

also my main arguement is zekkens consistancy between jett and raze/neon. Zekken is an amazing raze and neon. The main thing im pointing out is his jett and his OP. His jett rating this tourney was very up and down

Well if you say that then Derke wasnt even fnatics best player in tokyo and kangkang was higher rated than him at that event

well i was kinda talking about current form but yes derke is defenitely what im looking for when i look at duelist. Good at both jett and raze and can OP.

kangkang has historically been very good at the duelist role even going back to last champs and tokyo, but yes this year champs definitely catapulted him into the discussion for me because i think being a title holder is important or else i would talk about sayf, saya and others

i would not call him the goat duelist. maybe goat jett. jawgemo played the counterpart for him. You saw how he played this year as the pure duelist

For the debate on best duelist I personally rate Aspas, kangkang, and T3xture ahead of Zekken. As a pure duelist I believe the consistancy between jett and raze is better on aspas, kangkang, and t3xture. KangKang and Aspas has shown their neon and it is also very good. T3xture hasnt shown his neon but neon shares similiar maps with raze. Also i believe that aspas, kangkang, and t3xtures OP is much better than zekkens. I find zekkens jett top tier still but not ahead of these 3. I was a really big fan of his when he was a Raze and Sova main. Maybe with sacys potential departure he can pick up sova again.

i think it should be juicy. he won ascension and is underaged so they had yay keep his seat warm for him

yea most of the middle east is in asia and turkey is one of the coutries thats the asia side

turkey and russia

i said that

aspas is a weaboo close enough yea

Every international tournament winner has either had an Asian or from Asia on their team pure dominance except for LOUD

tarik was igl when he won a major with c9

fpx won masters

when has a champion ever joined a roster and they ever won anything. The only time i could think of is chronicle to fnc but he also came with leo. Most winning teams are made up of players that are unproven and they prove it when they win

i really wish he went back to sova.

but yea basically i dont think anything else is a fluke in valorant except when it comes to questionable riot rulings or visa isues. Teams making deep runs because they beat teams that people dont think are "good" enough is not a fluke

wrong teams made it? every team that qualified deserved to be there

but you never know. if they do beat them in the rematch then they play gambit in the first round and gambit was up in the grand finals 2-1 and champs that year didnt have losers bracket so no map veto advantage for grand finals so likely maps in the bo3 would be very similiar

But like keydstars beat them and considering what the teams did after that game its likely they would have to rematch keydstars and keydstars almost cameback on them from a 7-0 deficit

juicy but at least yay kept his seat warm

Theres still one more S tier event it starts November 8th

an extra game could make all the difference. also they could have potentially played keydstars twice. who knows they couldve just been worst in that specific match up. Also matchups mattered bc at that point in time Envy as never beaten an EMEA team and their masters 1 run, won without beating an EMEA team. Also every team is different all the more reason why this game mattered. Not every team handles loss well. No every team can be like optic losing the first game of the tourney and bounce back, many teams could just lose all confidence and bomb out.

what im saying is that its more controversial to say hes not chinese than it would be to leave him off

You dont think that having to replay a game down 0-7 would fuck with them and their confidence, also a majority of that x10c roster made champs this year

it shouldnt be

i think of it more as they shouldnt of made it that far bc of the keydstar stuff

Um they shouldve lost to keyd stars in groups. Riot made them replay the game with a 7-0 lead

I wholeheartedly believe that acend shouldnt of even made playoffs that tournament. Keydstars shoudlve beat them

I dont think talon was a fluke but got lucky in the draws. RRQ got very unlucky. Kru was also not a fluke

Kru 2021 was really not a fluke they almost beat gambit also

I beat the :3 in premier last season in Elite 5 or at least cait and her premier team. Wanted the vod and asked her in her stream but it was sub only to see the vod

The most consistent team at international events happens to be TH with an average placement of 3.8 while GENG and EDG have a similar average placement at 4.5 and 4.6. So does GENG's average placement of 0.1 better makes up the difference between a champions vs a masters trophy?

lmao i said the opposite

IDK how they are mid "all year" if they had the most champions points. 1/5 teams to qualify for all 3 lans. The only team to qualify as the 1st seed at all 3 lans. Finally 1/3 teams to win one the lans

Okay so the main argument i hear against EDG is that they didn't perform internationally, however GENG had an average placement of 4.5 place while EDG had a slightly worse placement of 4.6. TH had the best at 3.8.

So with this information added to information already provided on how they are the best regionally and internationally only behind Th and slightly behind GENG. Dont you think that since EDG won the most important tournament and their average placement is 0.1 different from GENG that you would have to give the edge to EDG on the international stage?

I don’t get how this statement is any less political than mine. GenG literally got in trouble for saying something like this.

refer to #106

So since you bring up the olympics. What makes the 100m in the olympics any different from the 100m at the world athletics championship. They are the same race right with the same athletes competing just like champions vs masters. The difference is the prestige that we set to it also the frequency. Valorant champions is 100% more prestige and has only happened 4 times vs the 17 masters tournaments. Olympics happen every 4 years and the world athletic championships happen every 2 years

Just use 2023 EG for team USA. I know in the VCT jawgemo isn't labeled as an import so he definitely has US citizenship but I guess they might loose apoth and reformed

Where did my ukraine comment go?

Where did my messages go lol?

Where did all my messages about Taiwan being China go?

so if we average out the placements GENG had 4.5, EDG had 4.6, TH had 3.8 would you say TH had the best overall year?

so if we average out GenG international placings we get 4.5 and if we average out EDG placings they are slightly behind at 4.6 but TH would average 3.8. So would you say that TH is the best team of 2024?

Everyone keeps saying international consistancy but if you average GENG's placings with EDG placings they are almost the same. TH has the most "consistent placement" so are they the best team of 2024?

what are you saying im not talking about random orgs money I'm talking about the prize pool which is literally what determines the difference between an S tier tournament and a B tier tournament

are you pulling the 4 extra teams from the 3rd seeds or circuit point qualifiers bc that can be TH or SEN. Champs it takes more games to win the tourney than masters.